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Time Warner Cable Cuts Off Viacom Tonight

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:35 am
by UmbrellaFish
The battle brewing over carriage fees paid to television networks by cable providers picked up steam Wednesday with Viacom Inc. (VIA) saying its popular networks such as Comedy Central, MTV and Nickelodeon will go dark on Time Warner Cable Inc. (TWC) after midnight unless the two sides reach an agreement.

Under pressure to boost its revenue amid an advertising slump and threats to its business model posed by the rise of the Internet, Viacom is seeking fee increases of between 22% and 36% per channel from Time Warner Cable, which is the fourth-largest video distributor in the U.S. after Comcast Corp. (CMCSA), DirecTV Group Inc. (DTV) and DISH Network Corp. (DISH).

Cable companies are fending off similar bids from broadcast and cable networks throughout the industry. Stations owned by broadcaster LIN TV Corp. (TVL) went dark on Time Warner Cable for four weeks in October as the two sides wrangled over fees, and Univision Communications Inc., CBS Corp. (CBS), NBC Universal, Hearst-Argyle Television Inc. (HTV) and Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc. (SBGI) all are engaged in similar negotiations.

"As advertising dollars continue to shift to the Web and DVR viewing increases, both broadcasters and cable network owners need the contractual flow of affiliate fee revenues to be an increasing contributor to the business model, " said Sanford C. Bernstein analyst Michael Nathanson. "Viacom's cable networks are materially underpriced relative to their peers, which we believe represents an opportunity for Viacom in the future."

Shares of Viacom closed Tuesday at $19.26, down 56% for 2008, while Time Warner Cable shares were down 21% for the year at $21.76. The two sides were holding high-level negotiations on New Year's Eve in an attempt to head off a threatened service disruption after midnight.

Viacom's bid to get higher fees from Time Warner Cable is perhaps the highest- profile negotiation yet, since its networks are among the most popular on cable television, with shows like "SpongeBob SquarePants" and "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart". According to Nathanson, its cable networks account for 25% of total cable network viewers every day and 20% in prime time.

Both sides in the dispute are accusing the other of acting at the expense of the viewing public, and Viacom is launching a marketing blitz featuring animated characters like SpongeBob aimed at demonizing Time Warner Cable.

"[Viacom is] asking for huge increases, and we don't know how we are supposed to sell this to our customers in this economy," said Alex Dudley, a spokesman for Time Warner Cable. "Their content is no more valuable on the first of January than it is today, especially because they are putting most of their top- rated content on the Web for free."

Meanwhile, Viacom spokeswoman Kelly McAndrew said Time Warner Cable is overreaching in a bid to prop up its profitability, and viewers will find the company's behavior "outrageous."

"The renewal we are seeking is reasonable and modest relative to the profits Time Warner Cable enjoys from our networks," said McAndrew. "Throughout the country, we have negotiated equitable license agreement renewals, or are in the final stages of renewals, with virtually every cable and satellite carrier. Nevertheless, Time Warner Cable has dismissed our efforts at a fair compromise and has effectively chosen to deny its customers some of the most popular TV shows on the air."

Nathanson estimates that Time Warner Cable is paying Viacom about $300 million in annual license fees, which equals roughly 2% of Viacom's total revenue. The license fee represents 2.8% of video revenue for Time Warner Cable, or 1.7% of total revenue.

Profit margins for the cable company, which is a leading cable provider in major media markets like New York City and Los Angeles, are under pressure as it ramps up marketing expenses to compete with competitive threats from phone companies such as Verizon Inc. (VZ) and AT&T Inc. (T). Also, Time Warner Cable is about to shoulder a roughly $6 billion debt burden at a time when credit markets are nearly frozen in order to pay a one-time dividend of more than $10 billion in return for a completed separation from its corporate parent, media giant Time Warner Inc. (TWX)- a chief competitor to Viacom.

Nathanson said he expects "a settlement - terms undisclosed - in a relatively quick manner, as both sides may not want to see if this battle results in mutually assured destruction, as Viacom loses ad dollars and Time Warner Cable loses subscribers."

-By Nat Worden, Dow Jones Newswires
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/art ... RTUNE5.htm

Anyone notice the tickers on the bottom of all Viacom channels today? It's really awful, I Love Lucy's final day on TV Land and it's being disrupted by it. I won't be affected by this, but I doubt those that are, really care...

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:40 am
by Siren
(reposted from another forum discussing the same thing. I don't have TW, I have Brighthouse(BH))
Viacom=Greedy Jerks

There was the whole deal on YouTube where Viacom was going to force YouTube to hand over privacy records of who watches what...So not only would they have YouTube ban people who uploaded Viacom's copyrighted material but if you WATCHED it, you'd be banned too! And I'm not just talking watching a whole movie on there. I am talking that, even if you accidentally clicked a Viacom copyrighted video and didn't want to watch it and click off 2 seconds later, they'd have you banned. If you watched one of the many fan videos made about Viacom shows/movies, they'd see to it, you were banned. Its kinda like, if you turned on a channel and your parents came over and took away your TV for life. Viacom is absolutely the worst run company I have ever seen. They are way too greedy. I think if Brighthouse dropped those channels, it wouldn't be for long before Viacom would fold and the channels would be back. We're talking, a lot of ratings Viacom would lose here.

Yeah, if you call and get the channels back, be prepared to pay more. The only channel I will miss is Spike TV, but only for the repeats of CSI. I know my daughter would miss Nick though. But there are plenty of other kid channels, with better programming anyways. But I'm not calling. Sorry. But I am not going to be Viacom's butt monkey here. I pay a big enough cable bill. If Viacom wins this stalemate...expect other companies to follow their lead and hold TW and BH by their balls.

I can buy CSI and Spongebob on DVD. No commercial breaks. One time fee to buy the DVDs, not paying Viacom's blood money to save a few channels, that really have gone to crap anyways. I think we are better off NOT calling. If we call and demand them back and tell them, I'm leaving BH for Direct TV...we'll get those channels back and the ransom money will be paid from our pockets. I think if we do nothing, Viacom will fold. If not, then I don't want to pay more monthly money to them anyways.

They are JUST TV channels, most repeating the same shows over and over again. That's all they are. TV channels that show the same shows over and over again. Many which are on DVD or you can now watch brand new shows online for far less then what Viacom will bleed out of us. I rather use what little money I have to buy food, pay bills etc. Maybe I'll call BH and tell them if they pay the ransom, I'll cancel my service.

Re: Time Warner Cable Cuts Off Viacom Tonight

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:43 am
by xxhplinkxx
UmbrellaFish wrote:I Love Lucy's final day on TV Land
WHAT DO YOU MEAN LAST DAY?! As in, last day of this year, or last day ever as in I Love Lucy will NEVER be shown on TV Land again?

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:44 am
by Siren
Last day for TV Land to be on

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:55 am
by xxhplinkxx
Oh, phew! Scared me half to death!

(God, I sound like an old woman... lol)

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:02 pm
by Siren
I was also thinking of the premium package. Let those who WANT to pay more to be Viacom's butt monkey's pay more. These days with DVDs, I don't bother to subscribe to HBO. If I want to see True Blood, I am patient, I'll wait for the DVD and pay a one time fee to keep that show in my house for the life of the DVDs.

And if Viacom wins this battle, you can bet your money (and you will) other companies will follow suit. Screw that. And the satellites are NOT safe either. AT&T, well they want to stop net neutrality, so they don't get my money either. I just will go down to basic cable (to get my People's Course, Judge Judy, CSI, Law and Order, etc) and screw the rest of this. I rather lose all my documentary channels, which I really do love and would miss, than have this extortion.

My daughter, she asked about the line going under the Nick shows. I explained how I won't call and why. I told her...
"Let's say you knew this kid. You went over his house and he beat you up. He tells you, "You better have $10 tomorrow or I'll beat you up again!" Now, do you go back there to give him his money or get beat up....or do you stop going to his house?"
She understood it better after that. Plus I promised to buy her some Spongebob DVDs next week Heck, better yet, I'll have her watch Spongebob on YouTube for free :lol: Viacom can bite me.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:07 pm
by Lazario
TV Land as a channel is going to disappear?

Or, only the Viacom shows will be removed - like Cheers?

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:13 pm
by Siren
Only TW and Brighthouse will NOT have Viacom channels. The channels STILL exist. Viacom wants extortion money and wants you to PAY IT so they are having the viewers be their little butt monkeys and call TW and BH and whine how you want your stations back so TW/BH will shell out the money and then charge the viewers for it by raising the bills. Its BS.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:25 pm
by Lazario
And TW and Brighthouse go through cable providers? Or, are they cable providers?

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:44 pm
by Siren
THEY are cable providers. Time Warner Cable and Brighthouse (which is mostly in the southeast)

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:55 pm
by Lazario
Never heard of Brighthouse.

Re: Time Warner Cable Cuts Off Viacom Tonight

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:08 pm
by UmbrellaFish
xxhplinkxx wrote:
UmbrellaFish wrote:I Love Lucy's final day on TV Land
WHAT DO YOU MEAN LAST DAY?! As in, last day of this year, or last day ever as in I Love Lucy will NEVER be shown on TV Land again?
Last day for TV Land to be on
No, no... This is ILL's final day on TV Land. Tomorrow, I Love Lucy will not be on. TV Land didn't pick it up this time. However, Hallmark Channel is picking it up, starting with a marathon on Friday. Afterwards it will be on from 8 to 9 AM.

Another big series going to Hallmark is The Golden Girls in Feburary. It will then leave Lifetime.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:31 pm
by xxhplinkxx
Oh no! I knew about Golden Girls, but not about I Love Lucy. :(

Re: Time Warner Cable Cuts Off Viacom Tonight

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:49 am
by Disney's Divinity
UmbrellaFish wrote: No, no... This is ILL's final day on TV Land. Tomorrow, I Love Lucy will not be on. TV Land didn't pick it up this time. However, Hallmark Channel is picking it up, starting with a marathon on Friday. Afterwards it will be on from 8 to 9 AM.

Another big series going to Hallmark is The Golden Girls in Feburary. It will then leave Lifetime.
God, I hope they keep playing Murder, She Wrote with all these new shows they're picking up. And I can't believe Lifetime's giving up TGG. I think they've been trying this for several years now, because it'll vanish periodically (replaced by mediocre shows) only to reappear a week or two later. Lifetime's really gone to crap these days, with things like Frasier (which is a decent show, but I don't understand how it relates to a women's network), Wife Swap, Still Standing, How I Met Your Mother and Rita Rocks. I'm almost depressed that they've put Desperate Housewives on; it deserves a better channel.

Anyway, I agree with Siren. I'd just go to basic cable if they were planning on jacking up the prices. You could just buy the shows on DVD if they were that important, and be done with it.

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:53 am
by Mickeyfan1990
NEWS!:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/viacom_time_warner_cable

"LOS ANGELES – Millions of Time Warner Cable customers won't lose their access to MTV and 18 other channels after the cable giant reached an agreement early Thursday with media conglomerate Viacom Inc.

The two sides, citing disagreement over fee hikes, had threatened a damaging blackout at a minute past midnight Thursday that would have cut off shows such as "SpongeBob SquarePants" and "The Colbert Report" to about 15.7 million subscribers.

"We are pleased that our customers will continue to be able to watch the customers will continue to be able to watch the programming they enjoy on MTV Networks," said Glenn Britt, president and CEO of Time Warner Cable Inc. "We are sorry they had to endure a day of public disagreement as we worked through this negotiation."

Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Details must still be finalized over the next few days, the companies said.

Viacom president and CEO Philippe Dauman said the company was happy a deal was struck. Viacom had mounted an advertising onslaught warning customers of the possible blackout, taking out ads in major newspapers and Web sites from The New York Times and TVGuide.com featuring a tearful "Dora the Explorer" crying and clinging to her monkey pal, Boots.

"Why is Dora crying?" the ad read. "Tonight you will lose Nickelodeon and 18 other channels from your TV." It then prompted people to call their cable company to complain.

The dispute would have affected some 13.3 million Time Warner Cable subscribers, mainly in New York state, the Carolinas, Ohio, Southern California and Texas; and 2.4 million customers of Bright House Networks in Michigan, Indiana, California, Alabama and Florida.

Time Warner Chief Executive Glenn Britt on Wednesday had called Viacom's demand for a 12 percent increase in fees — an extra $39 million on top of the estimated $300 million it pays Viacom annually — extortion and outrageous given the recession. Viacom countered that the requested increase amounted to an extra $2.76 annually per subscriber.

Viacom had argued that Americans spend a fifth of their TV time watching Viacom shows but its fees made up less than 2.5 percent of the Time Warner cable bill.

Spokeswoman Kelly McAndrew said that despite ranking high in the ratings, Viacom's cable networks' average daily license fee was 65 percent lower than that of networks run by The Walt Disney Co., News Corp.'s Fox, Time Warner Inc.'s Turner Broadcasting System and Discovery Communications Inc.

Analyst Michael Nathanson with Bernstein Research said Viacom's channels had been "underpriced relative to their peers."

Public carriage fee disputes of this scale between a programmer and a cable operator are not that common, especially when there's a threat of a blackout, said Derek Baine, senior analyst at SNL Kagan in Monterey, Calif. Typically, both sides agree on contract extensions as they negotiate on terms, he said, and any blackouts don't last long because TV operators get calls from outraged customers.

One prominent carriage fee fight in recent years was in 2004, between Viacom and EchoStar, the former name of Dish Network Corp. Shows were dropped for two days.

In October, Time Warner Cable wrestled with LIN TV Corp., which operates local TV stations affiliated with NBC, CBS, Fox and CW. But this time, Time Warner Cable faced Viacom, the largest cable programmer, not a small independent with a handful of channels.

The channels in the dispute were Comedy Central, Logo, Palladia, MTV, MTV 2, MTV Hits, MTV Jams, MTV Tr3s, Nickelodeon, Noggin, Nick 2, Nicktoons, Spike, The N, TV Land, VH1, VH1 Classic, VH1 Soul and CMT: Pure Country.

Viacom shares rose 88 cents, or 4.5 percent, to close at $20.12 on Wednesday, while Time Warner Cable shares fell 31 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $21.45."

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:30 pm
by Lazario
Mickeyfan1990 wrote:Viacom had mounted an advertising onslaught warning customers of the possible blackout, taking out ads in major newspapers and Web sites from The New York Times and TVGuide.com featuring a tearful "Dora the Explorer" crying and clinging to her monkey pal, Boots.

"Why is Dora crying?" the ad read. "Tonight you will lose Nickelodeon and 18 other channels from your TV." It then prompted people to call their cable company to complain.
<img src="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/ima ... on_lol.gif" width="75" height="75" border="0"> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ ... dDevil.gif" width="60" height="45" border="0">

That is just too funny!!



Finally found the sucker:

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Why, she just looks so sad... So, very, very sad!! She looks like she's lost all faith in humanity! Or as though her little village was being ravaged by disease, famine, and terrorists! I can almost hear her little voice now: "God, why has thou forsaken us? Me and my little monkey- all alone... all alone!"

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:36 am
by The_Iceflash
Siren wrote:(reposted from another forum discussing the same thing. I don't have TW, I have Brighthouse(BH))
Viacom=Greedy Jerks

There was the whole deal on YouTube where Viacom was going to force YouTube to hand over privacy records of who watches what...So not only would they have YouTube ban people who uploaded Viacom's copyrighted material but if you WATCHED it, you'd be banned too! And I'm not just talking watching a whole movie on there. I am talking that, even if you accidentally clicked a Viacom copyrighted video and didn't want to watch it and click off 2 seconds later, they'd have you banned. If you watched one of the many fan videos made about Viacom shows/movies, they'd see to it, you were banned. Its kinda like, if you turned on a channel and your parents came over and took away your TV for life. Viacom is absolutely the worst run company I have ever seen. They are way too greedy. I think if Brighthouse dropped those channels, it wouldn't be for long before Viacom would fold and the channels would be back. We're talking, a lot of ratings Viacom would lose here.

Yeah, if you call and get the channels back, be prepared to pay more. The only channel I will miss is Spike TV, but only for the repeats of CSI. I know my daughter would miss Nick though. But there are plenty of other kid channels, with better programming anyways. But I'm not calling. Sorry. But I am not going to be Viacom's butt monkey here. I pay a big enough cable bill. If Viacom wins this stalemate...expect other companies to follow their lead and hold TW and BH by their balls.

I can buy CSI and Spongebob on DVD. No commercial breaks. One time fee to buy the DVDs, not paying Viacom's blood money to save a few channels, that really have gone to crap anyways. I think we are better off NOT calling. If we call and demand them back and tell them, I'm leaving BH for Direct TV...we'll get those channels back and the ransom money will be paid from our pockets. I think if we do nothing, Viacom will fold. If not, then I don't want to pay more monthly money to them anyways.

They are JUST TV channels, most repeating the same shows over and over again. That's all they are. TV channels that show the same shows over and over again. Many which are on DVD or you can now watch brand new shows online for far less then what Viacom will bleed out of us. I rather use what little money I have to buy food, pay bills etc. Maybe I'll call BH and tell them if they pay the ransom, I'll cancel my service.
I can see YouTube banning users who upload them but ban users who WATCH them? That's a little wrong. It's not as if we can download the video off of there. :roll:

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:39 am
by pap64
Lazario wrote:
Mickeyfan1990 wrote:Viacom had mounted an advertising onslaught warning customers of the possible blackout, taking out ads in major newspapers and Web sites from The New York Times and TVGuide.com featuring a tearful "Dora the Explorer" crying and clinging to her monkey pal, Boots.

"Why is Dora crying?" the ad read. "Tonight you will lose Nickelodeon and 18 other channels from your TV." It then prompted people to call their cable company to complain.
<img src="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/ima ... on_lol.gif" width="75" height="75" border="0"> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ ... dDevil.gif" width="60" height="45" border="0">

That is just too funny!!



Finally found the sucker:

Image

Why, she just looks so sad... So, very, very sad!! She looks like she's lost all faith in humanity! Or as though her little village was being ravaged by disease, famine, and terrorists! I can almost hear her little voice now: "God, why has thou forsaken us? Me and my little monkey- all alone... all alone!"
This both so wrong and hilarious it isn't funny... (yes, this is meant to be a joke :p)

Its wrong because Viacom KNOWS that children get clingy when their favorite shows are taken off the air. Adults can move on even if their TV show is canceled. But kids are destroyed if they favorite show stopped airing. So Viacom knows that kids will see this, be upset and DEMAND their parents to subscribe so they can keep watching Dora or any other show on Nick.

Its very evil to say the least...

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:41 pm
by blackcauldron85
I read a couple days ago that people did not end up losing the channels (I don't remember where I read it, but here are two articles about it):

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/01/news/co ... 2009010111

http://wcco.com/business/time.warner.ca ... 97551.html

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:58 pm
by DarthPrime
Yeah a deal was reached right at the last minute. Glad to see the networks not getting pulled, although I'm sure the rates will go up again (Our area only had a $2 increase for 2009). Time Warner is the only option in my area after satellite. Planning to hook up in a few weeks, but loosing these channels might have been a deal breaker for me considering how expensive they are compared to DirecTV, and Dish Network.

I had satellite service for a few years before, but I'm glad to be moving back to cable. My experiences with satellite were not that great. Plus upgrading equipment is a nightmare, and can get expensive.

Hopefully Time Warner gets their tuning adapters out for HD Tivos in my area soon. Would rather use a Tivo, than their DVR box (It's cheaper too.).