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WHO'S MORE EVIL : URSULA OR JUDGE CLAUDE FROLLO

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:53 pm
by disneymakesmewet
Me and my friend are arguing over the two. We decided to let you settle the argument. tell us b/w the two who is more evil?

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:26 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Well...

Ursula made barely legal deals and stacked the odds against her 'clients' to keep them imprisoned for life. She also manipulated a family conflict as well as many other delicate situations (such as a woman's obesity or a man's perceived inadequacy) to her advantage.

Frollo killed Quasimodo's mother, kept Quasimodo secluded and ashamed his entire life, and attempted to kill: the gypsies, the Archdeacon, Phoebus, Esmeralda and his "foster son."

While I certainly think Ursula is evil, she's not a murderor by nature. Even though she planned to pin Ariel to the ocean floor in the end, that was only after her sole friends for, presumably, years of banishment were killed. She's my favorite Disney Villain, so don't think I'm taking her less than seriously. :)

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:11 pm
by disneymakesmewet
Yea, judging by the polls everyone seems to agree as well.
I was right, frollo is much more evil than ursula. He's the most evil disney villain there is. But, like you, Ursula is my favorite. I LOVE HER. but frollo is still the most evil.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:15 pm
by Princess Forever
I can't really say Frollo since the original one (from the book) didn't do all those evil things, but if we are only judging by how Disney portrayed them...hmm...

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:32 pm
by Sky Syndrome
Frollo. He usually kills his victims. Ursula spared her victims' lives. Till her eels were vaporized, Ursula didn't feel like killing.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:48 pm
by Vermin Friends
Disney's Divinity wrote:Well...

Ursula made barely legal deals and stacked the odds against her 'clients' to keep them imprisoned for life. She also manipulated a family conflict as well as many other delicate situations (such as a woman's obesity or a man's perceived inadequacy) to her advantage.

Frollo killed Quasimodo's mother, kept Quasimodo secluded and ashamed his entire life, and attempted to kill: the gypsies, the Archdeacon, Phoebus, Esmeralda and his "foster son."

While I certainly think Ursula is evil, she's not a murderer by nature. Even though she planned to pin Ariel to the ocean floor in the end, that was only after her sole friends for, presumably, years of banishment were killed. She's my favorite Disney Villain, so don't think I'm taking her less than seriously. :)
Perfect explanation, I agree 100%. :D

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:45 pm
by Siren
From the other thread
Siren wrote:Frollo, hands down. He's a bigot who throws people in jail just because they are gypsies. He chases a helpless women down on horseback and kills her on the steps of a church. He attempts to drown her baby. He only cares for the baby for his own selfish soul. He raises the child to hate himself. He enjoys watching people get tortured. He orders his men to kill innocent people, even families, who he feels are hiding gypsies. He man-handles Esmeralda. He captures her and gives her an ultimatum. Death or him. He attempts to burn her at the stake. Then he tries to stab Quasi, then he tries to throw them both off the church.

What makes Ursula evil? She wants the trident to have power. She is a schemer. She turns merpeople into polyps. She tries to kill Eric and Ariel.