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As a Madonna fan, I'm very proud to post this information!

It's official! This makes me very excited. She's certainly earned this honor!

http://music.msn.com/music/article....288457&GT1=7702



Madonna Highlights Rock Hall Inductees
Dec. 13, 2007, 10:56 AM EST

The Associated Press

CLEVELAND -- The Material Girl is now a Hall of Famer.

Madonna was announced as a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee on Thursday along with John Mellencamp, The Ventures, Leonard Cohen and The Dave Clark Five.

A panel of 600 industry figures selected the five acts to be inducted at the annual ceremony, to be held March 10 in New York. To be eligible, artists must have issued a first single or album at least 25 years before nomination.

Madonna Louise Ciccone signed with Sire Records in 1982 and became one of MTV's first stars two years later with "Like A Virgin." She has constantly altered her image ever since, showing staying power that few '80s stars could muster.

Indiana native Mellencamp became a voice of America's heartland with hits like "Pink Houses"; and Cohen's "Suzanne" and "Dress Rehearsal Rag" made him a folk rock icon in the late 1960s.

The Ventures defined instrumental guitar rock in the '60s with surfer anthems like "Walk Don't Run" and "Hawaii Five-O," and The Dave Clark Five were one of the most successful British invasion bands with "Glad All Over."

That is so lame. While Madonna certainly belongs in a music hall of fame, she does not belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. I can not think of one song that would qualify as a rock song.

John Mellencamp is the true headliner although really no true greats this year.

I remember Madonna. Well, congratulations to her.

Mr. Toad wrote:That is so lame. While Madonna certainly belongs in a music hall of fame, she does not belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. I can not think of one song that would qualify as a rock song.

John Mellencamp is the true headliner although really no true greats this year.

I agree with everything Toad said and more. She's definitely not a rock and roll star and does not deserve a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Overall, a weak year for the hall.

Cheers,
JM

Those of you posting, just to be an ass, can move along.

Madonna has become quite skilled at rocking out on the guitar, which she has proven during her past three tours, where she has performed rock renditions of some of her biggest hits. On top of that, she has several tracks that have appeared on her last few albums that certainly have a "rock and roll" sensibility. She's also performed, on a couple of occassions, with Lenny Kravitz.

The definition of "rock" is far more ranging than people think. Quite a few acts have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that aren't defined by the strict definition of "rock" that many people have.

Regardless, those of you saying she doesn't deserve to be inducted, don't have a say in the matter. She was nominated by the industry, and she was voted for by the industry. Your opinions on the matter mean nothing. The fact of the matter is, she is now a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee, and she does deserve it.

MadonnasManOne wrote:Those of you posting, just to be an ass, can move along.

Madonna has become quite skilled at rocking out on the guitar, which she has proven during her past three tours, where she has performed rock renditions of some of her biggest hits. On top of that, she has several tracks that have appeared on her last few albums that certainly have a "rock and roll" sensibility. She's also performed, on a couple of occassions, with Lenny Kravitz.

The definition of "rock" is far more ranging than people think. Quite a few acts have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that aren't defined by the strict definition of "rock" that many people have.

Regardless, those of you saying she doesn't deserve to be inducted, don't have a say in the matter. She was nominated by the industry, and she was voted for by the industry. Your opinions on the matter mean nothing. The fact of the matter is, she is now a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee, and she does deserve it.

This is a discussion board. You started a discussion. We are continuing it. And actually rock n roll does have a rather strict definition, even if it the Rock N Roll hall of fame does choose to ignore it.

From the fine arts dictionary - A form of popular music arising from and incorporating a variety of musical styles, especially rhythm and blues, country music, and gospel. Originating in the United States in the 1950s, it is characterized by electronically amplified instrumentation, a heavily accented beat, and relatively simple phrase structure.

I have never heard a Madonna song that would qualify as that.

I am not singling out Madonna other. There are a raft of artists that have been inducted that have no place there.

I am not sure what caused your entirely rude, defensive response but it really was unnecessary. Just myself and I posted perfectly nice responses that really were not rude to you or Madonna. Your the only ASS here.

Mr. Toad wrote:
This is a discussion board. You started a discussion. We are continuing it. And actually rock n roll does have a rather strict definition, even if it the Rock N Roll hall of fame does choose to ignore it.

From the fine arts dictionary - A form of popular music arising from and incorporating a variety of musical styles, especially rhythm and blues, country music, and gospel. Originating in the United States in the 1950s, it is characterized by electronically amplified instrumentation, a heavily accented beat, and relatively simple phrase structure.

I have never heard a Madonna song that would qualify as that.

I am not singling out Madonna other. There are a raft of artists that have been inducted that have no place there.

I am not sure what caused your entirely rude, defensive response but it really was unnecessary. Just myself and I posted perfectly nice responses that really were not rude to you or Madonna. Your the only ASS here.

No, you are not continuing the discussion. You know perfectly well that you were rude. You started your first response with "That is so lame", which in my opinion, was a rude remark. I believe most people would agree.

Second, the definition you posted of what "rock and roll" is, actually fits quite a few Madonna songs. I wouldn't expect that you would know them, since you don't appear to be a fan of her music.

Finally, however, my response was mainly in response to the post Just Myself made, although your post and his post were not "perfectly nice responses". They were rather rude.

As far as calling me an ass, that's fine. I could care less. However, you just continue to show how big of an ass you are.

So this is what she gets for butchering American Pie that one time??

DaveWadding wrote:So this is what she gets for butchering American Pie that one time??

We all know you don't like Madonna. So, why do you keep coming to posts about her, and posting the same thing, over and over again? You posted the exact same thing at DVDTalk.com's "Music" forum. How many more times are you going to post this? I know you think you are being funny, but, you are not.

How about I start attacking your beloved KISS? Would you like that? I didn't think so.

I know there are people who don't like Madonna. That's fine. This isn't a thread about those who dislike Madonna.

Wow, has it been 25 years already? Man, I feel old. I remember listening to my sister's Like A Virgin album on the record player back in '85. I was only 6 but I loved the songs. Thus began my life long love of Madonna.

Congrats to her and all the other inductees.

MadonnasManOne wrote:

Mr. Toad wrote:
This is a discussion board. You started a discussion. We are continuing it. And actually rock n roll does have a rather strict definition, even if it the Rock N Roll hall of fame does choose to ignore it.

From the fine arts dictionary - A form of popular music arising from and incorporating a variety of musical styles, especially rhythm and blues, country music, and gospel. Originating in the United States in the 1950s, it is characterized by electronically amplified instrumentation, a heavily accented beat, and relatively simple phrase structure.

I have never heard a Madonna song that would qualify as that.

I am not singling out Madonna other. There are a raft of artists that have been inducted that have no place there.

I am not sure what caused your entirely rude, defensive response but it really was unnecessary. Just myself and I posted perfectly nice responses that really were not rude to you or Madonna. Your the only ASS here.

No, you are not continuing the discussion. You know perfectly well that you were rude. You started your first response with "That is so lame", which in my opinion, was a rude remark. I believe most people would agree.

Second, the definition you posted of what "rock and roll" is, actually fits quite a few Madonna songs. I wouldn't expect that you would know them, since you don't appear to be a fan of her music.

Finally, however, my response was mainly in response to the post Just Myself made, although your post and his post were not "perfectly nice responses". They were rather rude.

As far as calling me an ass, that's fine. I could care less. However, you just continue to show how big of an ass you are.

You called me an ass first dude. Those in glass houses.... But lets leave the mudslinging and have a discussion.

Actually, I dont mind Madonna at all, at least her famous songs. So give me three songs you consider Rock songs and tell me what elements of R&B, country and gospel they contain. Really the song needs to contain elements of R&B or blues and country. The only thing I can think of is Like A Prayer whcih contains heavy gospel roots. But that by itself does not make it rock.

I also did say that Madonna belonged in a music hall of fame. I dont think that is debatable. I just cant see her in the rock n roll hall of fame. I have just listened to ten songs on her immaculate collection and I am not hearing any rock.

Madonna is not alone in not belonging in the rock n roll hall of fame either. They have let a raft of people in who did not play rock

Frank Zappa
Staples Singers
Moonglows
Miles Davis
Ronnettes - yes they are R&B, but Rock needs to be R&B fused with something else
Grandmaster Flash

I love the Talking Heads, but they are not Rock. Neither is Pink Floyd.

So yes, I believe the Rock N Roll hall of fame is lame because they are the Pop music hall of fame more than rock n roll hall of fame.

Peace dude

Mr. Toad wrote: You called me an ass first dude. Those in glass houses.... But lets leave the mudslinging and have a discussion.

Actually, I dont mind Madonna at all, at least her famous songs. So give me three songs you consider Rock songs and tell me what elements of R&B, country and gospel they contain. Really the song needs to contain elements of R&B or blues and country. The only thing I can think of is Like A Prayer whcih contains heavy gospel roots. But that by itself does not make it rock.

I also did say that Madonna belonged in a music hall of fame. I dont think that is debatable. I just cant see her in the rock n roll hall of fame. I have just listened to ten songs on her immaculate collection and I am not hearing any rock.

Madonna is not alone in not belonging in the rock n roll hall of fame either. They have let a raft of people in who did not play rock

Frank Zappa
Staples Singers
Moonglows
Miles Davis
Ronnettes - yes they are R&B, but Rock needs to be R&B fused with something else
Grandmaster Flash

I love the Talking Heads, but they are not Rock. Neither is Pink Floyd.

So yes, I believe the Rock N Roll hall of fame is lame because they are the Pop music hall of fame more than rock n roll hall of fame.

Peace dude

Thank you for actually discussing this. I do appreciate it.

Off the top of my head, I can name several songs Madonna has, that could be considered rock and roll. The problem is, they are rarely songs that were released as single, so, the public doesn't know them.

From her self-titled debut album, Madonna, there's "Burning Up".

From her Like A Prayer album, there's "Love Song", which was co-written by Madonna and Prince.

From her greatest hits package, The Immaculate Collection, there's "Justify My Love", which was co-written by Madonna and Lenny Kravitz.

From her album, Bedtime Stories, there is "Secret", having a very heavily influenced R&B element, mixed with a silky smooth guitar.

From her album, Ray of Light, there is "Swim" and "Candy Perfume Girl".

From her album, Music, there's "Amazing". There is also "Don't Tell Me", which does, in fact, contain country elements, and was co-written by Madonna, and her brother-in-law, Joe Henry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Henry).

From her album, American Life, there is "Hollywood" and "I'm So Stupid"

From her album, Confessions on a Dance Floor, there is "I Love New York". Actually, the version that appears on the album is less "rock" influenced than the original version, which was released as a B-Side, and is very much rock and roll.

Those are just a few, off the top of my head, the could certainly qualify as "Rock and Roll". I am sure there are others, but, it's late, and I am tired.

Madonna is an artist who has experimented with elements from all over the musical spectrum, from country to hip-hop and r&b. She certainly does qualify for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, even if most people are only familiar with her pop/dance records.

I didn't know that she did "Like A Prayer". That's one of my favorites. I'll admit that that particular song isn't really a hard rock song, but it could be considered a "light rock" song instead.

Yeah,a lot of other people that have been inducted into there haven't really produced hard rock songs.

But,congrats,Madonna!

I Love Bambi wrote:I didn't know that she did "Like A Prayer". That's one of my favorites. I'll admit that that particular song isn't really a hard rock song, but it could be considered a "light rock" song instead.

Of her hits, it certainly comes the closest to a rock n roll song. To me it still does not sound like a rock song but it certainly contains gospel and r&b influences so according to the fine arts dictionary of rock and roll it probably counts. So we have identified one significant song that may be rock. Not enough to get you into a rock hall of fame.

But that is really the issue here. The rock n roll hall of fame sometime in the late 90s decided it was going to be a hall of fame of music that has american roots instead of a rock n roll hall of fame. If this is so, then why dont we rename the hall and then Madonna belongs, no question.

I agree that it's not really what comes to mind when you think of rock n roll, but I'm sure that it belongs in the light rock category, at least. Many light rock songs do have a little bit of pop in them.

Mr. Toad wrote: I love the Talking Heads, but they are not Rock. Neither is Pink Floyd.

Hate to pick on you, but if Pink Floyd AREN'T rock then pray tell, what ARE they exactly?

Wow, this is sure something I'm getting in the middle of. But, shut up. Okay?

Seriously, I don't think back when The Rock &/'N Roll Hall of Fame was invented that they would honestly turn down artists like Madonna, The Talking Heads, or Pink Floyd when it came time to induct them. So obviously, they didn't just mean people who the American public identify as always having a guitar genetically fused to their torso.

And as for those who're claiming this to be a "weak year" for the Hall, I don't beg to differ. I will simply say... "Your mother." Madonna is a legend and deserves this honor.


Great news on The Ventures, though:



They have a great Christmas album, if you ever find it- pick it up!

To say Madonna doesn't have any rock and roll songs is ridiculous, she has many. Her entire Bedtime Stories album was R&B and remains as one of my favorites with tracks like Secret, Forbidden Love, Don't Stop and Take A Bow are very rhythm and blues. The last couple of years Madonna has taken to playing the guitar and does rock versions of many of her hits, has anyone heard American Life (Headcleanr Rock Mix) on Remixed and Revisited, the guitar is wicked on this mix and she also did this version on the Reinvention Tour. Madonna has dabbled pretty much in every music genre.

To say she doesn't deserve it is crap, this woman has been around for 25 years and everytime she releases a new CD the critics have to say that she is done, this is her worst, blah blah blah, but she still sells out her tours and has #1 albums and singles all over the world with every new CD. Madonna deserves this whether you like her or not, she is a force to be reckoned with.

If Madonna doesn't deserve to be in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame because she's not a rock artist, then neither do James Brown, Sam Cooke, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, The Supremes, Etta James, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Curtis Mayfield, Dusty Springfield, the Bee Gees, and several others that are in there.