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I noticed that some character forgive mean character,here what i mean:
In the Cinderella sequles and Disney Princess marchandise Cinderella seems to forgive Drezila and Anastasia after years that they treat her so badly.
In The Nightmare Before Christmas marchandise and Kingdom Hearts Jack Skellington seems to allways forgive Lock,Shock and Barrel after they allways make meance and help Oogie Boogie (in Oogie's Revenge game is just insane,they attak him,he defeat them and then tells them to stop,they promise they will (with holding fingurse behind their back) and attack him again and again and again).
In The Lion King marchandise and Kingdom Hearts Simba seems to forgive Shanzi,Banzie and Ed,okay,Cinderella forgive her stepsister becouse they're family and Jack forgive Lock,Shock and Barrel beocuse they're kids and Simba don't have any reason to forgive them,they tried to kill him,maybe it's becouse they killed Scar?.
Anyway-your thoughts?.

Jack Skellington wrote:Love your enemies, I guess Disney tries to teach that and many other morals to us from a young age, and I can say that it really did effect me and my behaviour as a child, I knew that nice and freindly people get rewards, material or non-material.

Could be altouhgt it's uncecery (the villains allways die),it's not a right mesege like do what you believe in.
I just know that mean people evently get what they deserve.

Ariel'sprince wrote: Could be altouhgt it's uncecery (the villains allways die),it's not a right mesege like do what you believe in.
I just know that mean people evently get what they deserve.

That's true, the baddies almost always die. But how many times are they killed by one of the main characters? Out of the top of my head: Ursula gets hit by the ship that Eric's sailing. Especially in the 90's, the villains die of accidents (Gaston and Frollo both plunge to death), or due to somebody else (Scar). That's obviously done to not make the main characters murderers. But they still die to serve justice (they still get what they deserve). Just a thing I noticed.

KubrickFan wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote: Could be altouhgt it's uncecery (the villains allways die),it's not a right mesege like do what you believe in.
I just know that mean people evently get what they deserve.

That's true, the baddies almost always die. But how many times are they killed by one of the main characters? Out of the top of my head: Ursula gets hit by the ship that Eric's sailing. Especially in the 90's, the villains die of accidents (Gaston and Frollo both plunge to death), or due to somebody else (Scar). That's obviously done to not make the main characters murderers. But they still die to serve justice (they still get what they deserve). Just a thing I noticed.

Yeah,good point ,it's allways the Prince or other characters (in the case of Scar and Captain Hook and more) and not the main hero that kills the villains.

Well, villains can be forgiven as long as they don't cross the line. Notice that villains aren't murdered until they attempt to do others bodily harm. The moment the Queen, Maleficent, Ursula, Gaston, Scar, Frollo, etc. etc. etc. decide they don't care if someone ends up dead, it's survival of the fittest. People like Lady Tremaine, the stepsisters, Iago and John Silver are more easily forgiven because they were simply being petty.

Well,if you say so then i guess it's okay to forgive character like John Silver,Lock,Shock,Barrel or the stepsisters unlike The Queen,Ursula,Jafar and etc.

I'm sorry I would have used a PM but for some reason it said i couldn't ;_; ... but i wanted to ask. Who is the person in Ariel'sprince avatar? She's pretty.

lledra wrote:I'm sorry I would have used a PM but for some reason it said i couldn't ;_; ... but i wanted to ask. Who is the person in Ariel'sprince avatar? She's pretty.

That's okay i can't PM,too .
Her name is Giselle,she's from the movie Enchanted that will be released in November.

Thank you very much! ^^ *goes to look it up now*

lledra wrote:Thank you very much! ^^ *goes to look it up now*

You're wellcome .

Love thy enemies, as long as they don't murder thou or thy neighbors...
....or something like that. It isn't quite that simple. Besides, a lot of characters aren't black or white. - utters a forlorn sigh for The Lion King II's Zira -

I think that most villains in Disney movies are only killed off if they are likely to pose a threat later. If they are likely to pose a threat, but aren't killed off, they will usually be put in a situation where they lose their power over the hero/heroine.

In Cinderella, Lady Tremaine wasn't killed off because once Cinderella went to the palace to live with the Prince, Lady Tremaine no longer had any control over her life and so didn't pose a threat (and yeah - i know - cinderella 3 but that came years later)

If you take for example The Evil Queen or Maleficent, if they had survived the events of the movie, they could still have plotted a way to kill their Princesses.
Ursula could have returned to steal the trident and Gaston could have returned to kill the Beast.

At the end of a fairytale they need to eliminate conflict to reach a happy ending: hence the term: "they all lived happily ever after", not "they all lived happily until the Evil Queen decided to bake an apple pie as a wedding gift to Snow White."

Anywhoozlebees, back to the original question. I actually think that the hero interacting with the villain AFTER the movie when the villain has lost their power over them is a very interesting storyline. Imagine if Maleficent hadn't been killed, but instead stripped of her powers? It wouldn't have made as spectacular an ending to the movie, but the story of what happened afterwards would have been far more interesting than the enchanted tales story.

And remember, in the original story, the Evil Queen went to Snow White's wedding and was made to wear hot iron shoes that would make her dance until she died. Obviously this was considered too cruel for the Disney movie, so she just got struck by lightning, fell off a cliff, got squashed by a boulder and had her body eaten by vultures instead - much nicer way to go.

candydog wrote:At the end of a fairytale they need to eliminate conflict to reach a happy ending: hence the term: "they all lived happily ever after", not "they all lived happily until the Evil Queen decided to bake an apple pie as a wedding gift to Snow White."

That would actually be a much better ending. She could have run up at the end with an apple pie, then Snow White could have looked at it for a minute, then back at her, then they both could have looked at each other and laughed. Then it could been a freeze-frame of that scene and the credits rolling over it, ala a 1970's sitcom.

SpringHeelJack wrote:That would actually be a much better ending. She could have run up at the end with an apple pie, then Snow White could have looked at it for a minute, then back at her, then they both could have looked at each other and laughed. Then it could been a freeze-frame of that scene and the credits rolling over it, ala a 1970's sitcom.

You made me LOL for realz!!!! I usually don't literally laugh out loud from forum posts online.

Anyway, candydog, you have so many good things to say about all this, and in general, of course.

But the fact that Disney let the Evil Queen come back in the comic books is interesting. In fact, I believe I read one story, but it was just the Hag and the dwarfs. I didn't understand how it could have happened in the story, but now it makes sense that it must have been after the movie. Even though we're supposed to think she died. Oh, and this whole comics business really makes the direct-to-video animated sequels seem more okay. Walt did allow sequels, just in the comics. So this is part of the interest of these comics.

candydog wrote:I think that most villains in Disney movies are only killed off if they are likely to pose a threat later. If they are likely to pose a threat, but aren't killed off, they will usually be put in a situation where they lose their power over the hero/heroine.

In Cinderella, Lady Tremaine wasn't killed off because once Cinderella went to the palace to live with the Prince, Lady Tremaine no longer had any control over her life and so didn't pose a threat (and yeah - i know - cinderella 3 but that came years later)

If you take for example The Evil Queen or Maleficent, if they had survived the events of the movie, they could still have plotted a way to kill their Princesses.
Ursula could have returned to steal the trident and Gaston could have returned to kill the Beast.

At the end of a fairytale they need to eliminate conflict to reach a happy ending: hence the term: "they all lived happily ever after", not "they all lived happily until the Evil Queen decided to bake an apple pie as a wedding gift to Snow White."

Anywhoozlebees, back to the original question. I actually think that the hero interacting with the villain AFTER the movie when the villain has lost their power over them is a very interesting storyline. Imagine if Maleficent hadn't been killed, but instead stripped of her powers? It wouldn't have made as spectacular an ending to the movie, but the story of what happened afterwards would have been far more interesting than the enchanted tales story.

And remember, in the original story, the Evil Queen went to Snow White's wedding and was made to wear hot iron shoes that would make her dance until she died. Obviously this was considered too cruel for the Disney movie, so she just got struck by lightning, fell off a cliff, got squashed by a boulder and had her body eaten by vultures instead - much nicer way to go.

Yeah,good point,but the thing-the Stepsisters or Sanzi,Banzi and Ed won't be a threat but Lock,Shock and Barrel are,they allways try to bring Oogie Boogie back after he dies (Kingdom Hearts II,Oogie's Revenge game) and not only that they never die-Jack allways forgive them.