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To improve Mickey toontown is the dark ride with Mickey and his pals. Maybe the Phantom blot

That's not a bad idea.

I remember when Mickey's ToonTown Fair area was called Mickey's Birthdayland, and also (maybe at the same time) it was supposed to be Duckburg, USA. I kinda wish they'd kept it the Duckburg thing. Otherwise, they should just make it a Toontown area rather than Toontown Fair. I'd love for them to add that Roger Rabbit ride, but I guess they are trying not to do so many repeats between parks so the different parks will be more distinct. I do think it needs more/better rides. All I can think of that they have is the kiddie coaster. Right now, it's a land we barely even look at when we visit. In fact, we only really check it out because I like to see everything. It definitely needs work though and a dark ride would be a good start. They should have relocated Mr. Toad to that area.

I also remember when that area was all about The Disney Afternoon. My wish would be that they would (if they want to make it different from California) find a way to bring those Disney Afternoon shows back into popularity and theme this section of the park to Disney's TV toons like DuckTales, Darkwing, and all that stuff. As I've said before, they should have kept the direct to video releases going with a change towards Disney Afternoon based features, and this could have gone well with that idea.

slave2moonlight wrote: I also remember when that area was all about The Disney Afternoon. My wish would be that they would (if they want to make it different from California) find a way to bring those Disney Afternoon shows back into popularity and theme this section of the park to Disney's TV toons like DuckTales, Darkwing, and all that stuff. As I've said before, they should have kept the direct to video releases going with a change towards Disney Afternoon based features, and that could have gone will with that idea.

Some great ideas! I'd love some more Disney Afternoon movies ("A Goofy Movie" was one, IMO, kind of...). And, the "kiddie coaster" is awesome- I <3 Goofy's Barnstormer!

Maybe they could make a princess/heroes dark ride? Or a dark ride of each (1 for princesses, 1 for heroes?)?

Actually, while I thought about that (or making it a "Princess Land"), that stuff really belongs in Fantasyland. The cool thing about that new area was that it was a place for the more "toony" characters, particularly Mickey and friends. Anyway, it's nice to keep the Princess related attractions separate for the most part, like Snow White's ride, Cinderella's Castle, etc... A Princess stage show would be fine and a great way to introduce the new princesses coming out soon, but that stuff should really stay in Fantasyland.

Ya know, the Gummi Bears are a natural choice for a dark ride, as they had that underground coaster type thing to get around in. I had another idea too, but I can't remember it now.

I have SEVERAL ideas for to improve this area of the Magic Kingdom.

For one thing, it will feature characters and themes not only from the classic Disney cartoons, but also from the Disney comic books, too, kinda like the concept of Islands of Adventure's Toon Lagoon, which also features classic characters from animated cartoons and newspaper comic strips. Anyway, watch for the attractions list very soon!

First, though, I have a question: what should I call the new land? All I know is I'm going to do away with the county fair themeing. I may just go with another city feel, like Disneyland's Toontown.

I'll speak more about it later.

Yeah, incorporating the comics works too. I'm always up for that. Actually, the best thing would be to call it just Toontown or Mickey's Toontown, as they do in Disneyland (which I have yet to see! Haven't been to Disneyland since I was like 5 or 6). It allows for the most variety, though I still think the focus should be on the Disney shorts and bringing some popularity back to the TV toons (like the Disney Afternoon stuff and the more toony Saturday morning stuff; the stuff like Pepper Ann, Doug, Recess, Weekenders,Teacher's Pet, and all that junk is too much of the same thing for me, so if they ever want to revisit it, they should do it in some TV themed area of Disney Studios). A second choice would be, as I mentioned before I think, making it Duckburg again, but as though all the main Disney stars live there, not just the Duck family. Still, this limits things more than is necessary. Really, I don't see why they don't just call it Toontown. The other lands are the same as in Disneyland, except one has New Orleans Square and the other has Liberty Square, both awesome ideas.

Of course, they could always scrap the whole set up and make it a villain land, which I'd like better than a princess land that would seem too much like Fantasyland. I don't recall if they have room around there for another mountain, but they could build a Bald Mountain ride in such a land, ha. I seem to remember a thread around here being about a Villain theme park, but I think that'd be over the top. Didn't read it though. Maybe they're already working on one.

Here are the new attractions to grace this area of the Magic Kingdom, which will now extend beyond the berm. Some attractions, however, will remain.

• Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse: This is a mini-parachute drop-type ride, like Jumpin' Jellyfish, with acorns topped by tree leaves as the up-and-down gondolas.
• Donald's Boat: Explore the Miss Daisy, Donald's famed boat. Climb up stairs and slide down on slides and literally view its bells and whistles. Push down on a button near the smokestack to let loose a stream of water out of the top and douse everyone nearby!
• Goofy's Motor Mania: The crown jewel of the new Toontown is this brand-new RRCTS-type dark ride, where you help Goofy save Toontown from the horrific double-whammy threat of Pete and the Phantom Blot aboard your own Toon car! I'll speak about this ride later on in greater detail.
• Huey, Dewey and Louie's Roller Derby: This is a bumper car ride with the cars in three different colors: red, blue and green. Huey, Dewey and Louie themselves are in the middle of the course, directing the flow of traffic like a traffic cop. Music from the Disney album Mickey Mouse Disco plays here in the background.
• Mickey's Crazy Planes: The park's FOURTH Dumbo-style ride, but in this case, this Dumbo-style ride resembles primitive, black and white planes, similar to those found in one of Mickey's first cartoon adventures, Plane Crazy.
• Mickey's Wonder House: The new name for Mickey's Country House.
• Minnie's Beauty House: The new name for Minnie's Country House.
• Pluto's Tail Spin: Pluto takes you on a wacky "round trip" ride. It moves in a clockwise motion, simulating Pluto "chasing" his tail. Periodically during the ride, the vehicles move up and down to simulate a bump or small hill.
• Toontown Hall of Fame: Here, you can visit your favorite Disney friends. The times and character selections change, so keep your eyes open.
• Toontown Highway: A new version of Goofy's Barnstormer, with small automobiles in place of small planes for cars. Here, you are to take a car out of for a test drive from a Toontown auto dealership, only to have it go berserk, around tight turns and even through a billboard!
• Von Drake's House of Genius: Here, you can take in a humorous lecture show with Donald's eccentric uncle and then visit his hands-on, interactive laboratory where young kids can play with some interesting inventions, courtesy of Donald's eccentric uncle.
• WDW Railroad: The train station is revised to fit the new locale.

What do you think, huh?

That list is just a made up one, right? I like how detailed you got with these. I'd make a few changes though. For one, I'm not a fan of carnival type rides at Disney World, and I have no problem with Aladdin's Flying Carpets and Dumbo, but I think that's enough of that type of ride already. Actually, the bumper car one isn't a bad idea, but here's a few ideas I'd go with instead.


First, I like your Von Drake's House of Genius. I'd look into making it reminscent of "The Time Keeper" ride that I think was recently removed from Tomorrowland, but not too similar. It's something I'd look at for inspiration to make it more than just a show, but it would be fine as just a show too. Another point though, is that some sort of Von Drake's House of Genius would work equally well as an addition to EPCOT's Future World. I'd love to see that addition in one park or the other.

The Mickey's Crazy Planes idea is a good one, but not as yet another Dumbo style ride. I'd transform Goofy's barnstormer into this. Might just call it "Plane Crazy," or Mickey's Plane Crazy. Also, the whole ride and area of it would be painted up black and white.

As for the houses of Mickey and the gang, I didn't know they were renamed as summer houses. I would just make them Mickey and the gang's houses, as they used to be when the place was new. It might actually be a good idea to make these be the locations to go to to meet Mickey and the gang, each in their respective houses or in their back yards or something, the walk through of the houses being the actual line. The Toontown Hall of Fame is still good to meet characters at though, since there should be more characters to meet than just the fab five. However, a ride or something would be even better use of the space since characters could be met outside the attractions.

The Huey, Louie, and Dewey bumper cars are a good idea, though, again, it's kind of a ride that is beneath Disney standards in my opinion, or at least SHOULD be, since you can ride bumper cars and spinning rides anywhere. However, if it were to be done, I'd put Donald in the middle as a befuddled traffic cop, and the cars would possible be shaped like Huey, Louie, and Dewey, or have them riding on the hood of the car, or something. Of course, it'd be better if each car had a different toon kid, like Morty, Ferdie, Max, PJ, and whoever else...

One reason I'd like the place to be renamed DuckTales is A: I miss the statue of Cornelius Coot they used to have there, right out of the comics! And B: I want them to build a real version of Scrooge's money bin! It could be a ride inside, and even one comparable to the mountain rides! It could involve trying to stop the Beagle Boys from making off with the money! You could ride through all these tunnels the Beagles have dug under the bin and into the bin and through the money, but in the end they get busted, of course. This could be a real E Ticket ride that makes that section of the park something worth seeing!

And, of course, I still like the idea of a Gummi Bears dark ride too, perhaps where this 100 Acre Woods playland now exists, which I've never seen but I hear has replaced the lagoon (sacrilege in my opinion!). A Darkwing Duck dark ride would be great too. I'd like to see this area get a major overhaul, obviously, and with the name of either Duckburg, USA, or Mickey's Toontown.

And, I would definitely want a Roger Rabbit attraction of somekind. Perhaps an Ink and Paint Club restaurant. Another restaurant idea is the House of Mouse! They really should have one in this area, and with either that or Ink and Paint Club, it'd be another good location for a stage show! It would have been a better way to do the Monsters Inc. Laugh Room technology, because that Laugh Room should be at the Disney Studios, not in Tomorrowland. What do monsters have to do with Tomorrowland? That land is losing its focus and becoming too fantasy oriented.

If I was going to do a Goofy's MotorMania, it seems logical to use the racetrack area they currently have, not make it a dark ride. And, really, they should redo that as Goofy's Motormania. What is it called now? It IS still there, right? I never cared for that attraction myself. We drive a long way on the freeway to get to Disney World. It's not THAT fun that I want to drive a little car when I get there. I know, it's for the kids. Whatever.

The Pluto ride idea isn't really working for me, because it's too carnival. The Chip 'n' Dale Treehouse ride isn't bad. Make it Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers maybe... I want to repopularize those great Disney Afternoon shows. Wouldn't mind a Kim Possible ride either, but that's another that might be more fitting at Disney Studios, or maybe even EPCOT if it was something about new technology with Wade and all.

As for the Walt Disney World Railroad, here's what I wish they'd do. When this area was called Mickey's Birthdayland, the train ride included cardboard cartoon characters carrying birthday gifts throughout the forest. Now, even though they were cardboard, they looked really cool out there, like real toons, especially the three little pigs, who I think were on a raft and had awesome reflections in the water. Of course, the problem was that they were perfectly still. I was so disappointed that these were gone on my next visit. I would make the change of adding these again as the train approaches the stop and leaves. Of course, they wouldn't be carrying gifts, but various toons would be there, and this time they'd have motion and dialogue. Another possibility would be to put a tunnel there a bit before the train arrives. You know, with a sign that says Toontown ahead or something, a la Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and when you come out the other end of the tunnel, that's where you start to see toon characters and maybe that song plays in the train, "Smile, Darn Ya, Smile..." Just a thought.

Well, I guess I could redo the Plane Crazy ride as the new Barnstormer attraction. But I think we need to do the Disney Afternoon-themed rides ONLY in moderation and not go overboard. Mind you, I do like your ideas, though; I just don't think we should make this all D.A. stuff, though; we should pace here.

As for Goofy's Motor Mania, this will be the Roger Rabbit-type ride of the new Toontown idea of mine.

Also, I prefer calling it Mickey's Toontown, not Duckburg.

That's fine, it should be called Toontown, but I wish there was some appropriate place for that moneybin dark ride. It's not really a Disney Afternoon thing, afterall. Simply being careful of the color of Scrooge's clothes and what characters are included, it could be more based on the famous comics DuckTales was based on. Actually, I didn't mention many specific Disney Afternoon subjects, but it didn't make sense to just have one or two either. I'd like to see it almost balanced with the cartoon shorts subject matter.

The thing about the Motormania subject is mainly the title I guess. It doesn't sound like what it is, and it also puts me in mind of the racetrack attraction they already have between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland. The title I mean. Then, there's the motormania of Mr. Toad. I'd even prefer they bring back Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and add it to the Toontown section. I like your basic ride idea though.

I think for that attraction to work, it should be Mickey and Goofy rather than a Goofy starring ride. Pete and Blot are mainly HIS nemeses anyway. Donald could even be thrown in for good measure though. The trio could go up against Pete, the Blot, and maybe even a third villain. I don't really see why the ride should be named after the cars though or why they should be "living" cars. Anyway, that makes it unnecessarily like the Roger Rabbit ride, and it shouldn't look like a basic copy or anything. They need to stop making such flat out copies of other rides just to have more/new rides. The ride could be called "The Phantom Blot Plot" or something. Maybe it could even have comic strip decor and be titled, "Mickey Mouse in 'The Phantom Blot Plot.'" Imagine a poster for it done in comic cover style.

On thing I do feel is important though, is giving this area more than one great ride, and whichever is considered the MAIN ride should be more than your typical dark ride. I have always wanted to ride the Roger Rabbit ride at Disneyland, but from what I've seen of it, it never really seemed like it could be the feature ride of that particular land. It seemed like a good ride because of the theming (my fave film ever), but nothing overwhelmingly special. Of course, I'm just going by a few bits I've seen on TV. I suppose I should look it up on YouTube. Perhaps the facade is very impressive. I have no idea what it looks like. Anyway, whatever ride would be the jewel of Toontown, it should have a great facade, whether the ride inside is extreme or not. I really would love to see the money bin ride because that big money bin of Scrooge's could be an impressive addition, like a new mountain or something, but that would also make it one heck of an expensive ride. It could also make it quite a bit of a thrill ride, though I'd hope it wouldn't be a copy of Splash Mountain or Tower of Terror. Anyway, I wonder what the facade to this Phantom Blot ride would look like.

I will put up the verbal tour for Goofy's Motor Mania soon. In the meantime, I would like to talk about it a little.

As I said before, this ride is WDW's Toontown's equivalent of Roger Rabbit. I would've used "Roger Rabbit" itself, like in Disneyland, but with all the legal battles between Disney and Spielberg over the rights to Roger Rabbit, Jessica Rabbit, Benny the Cab and the rest, I was unwilling to take any chances. And Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin been duplicated enough times as it is (I will add that ride to Disneyland Paris, though, as part of a third DL-type Toontown simply so that Europe can have that ride as well. But that's another story...).

But the Catch 22 here is that there needs to be a dark ride just like Disneyland's Roger Rabbit ride. This meant that I would have to come up with a ride just like Roger Rabbit that didn't feature the rabbit or his taxicab pal.

What was I to do?

Well, then I was thinking about how come none of the Fab Six (Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Goofy, Pluto) really have any of their own attraction recognition, minus all those character meet-n-greets and shows. I felt it was high time that at least one of these characters got their own actual attraction.

So I put those two scenarios together for one solution. If I couldn't use Roger, then who could I use? Which of the Fab Six seems to have the same wacky personality that Roger has? Eventually, I settled on Goofy.

Sure, Goofy has his own ride in the form of the Barnstormer, but that's not a very glorified attraction, is it? And it's pretty much reserved only for small kids and their families. And then there's Goofy About Health at the now-extinct Wonders of Life pavilion at Epcot. But again, when the pavilion was open, that attraction was kinda underrated (in favor of Body Wars, Cranium Command and, to a lesser extent, The Making of Me). But I digress...

Why Goofy, you ask? It's simple, really. Given his clumsy, half-witted nature, Goofy's character looks perfect for the theming of a dark ride done in the style of Mr. Toad (a Mr. Toad-style dark ride, in case you don't know, means that it's a ride whose ride vehicles are designed like automobiles and the ride's protagonist is not very good at driving and is always crashing into things, which is basically what the Roger Rabbit ride is as well).

As I said earlier, the villains will be Pete and the Phantom Blot. Also, what setting do you think the ride should be? I was thinking the 1950s, but maybe you can come up with something. The reason why I was considering a period setting is because the Car Toon Spin is supposedly set in 1947 (says so on Lenny's license plate), the year "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" is set in.

In the first Destroy All Humans game, it's set in the 1950s, probably '59 because they have as a bonus feature an excerpt of the movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space". The second DAH game will be set in the 1960s.

So I want the Goofy ride to be set sometimes in the 1950s; can you think of what specific year? It could be 1950, to coincide with the release year of the Goofy cartoon "Motor Mania", which is partially the name of the ride itself, without the "Goofy's" part. But it can be any year in that decade.

What do you think thus far? Next time, I will explain the storyline here and then put up the verbal tour.

Well, I still feel it needs adjustments that I mentioned before. In addition, I think there is a similar ride in WDW already, albeit a cheaper version. It's called Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin. So, this would be yet another repeat, though hopefully a more expensive one. However, I love dark rides and think it would be okay to add a different version on the toon spin ride, even if Lightyear already exists. But knowing that it does, it will make a repeat less dynamic. It would be better for Toontown to get something totally new in design to make it noticed by the WDW visitors.

However, if you must go with a Roger Rabbit copy, I'd say yet again:

Make sure it has an awesome facade like the Roger ride has.

Add Mickey and Donald to the cast of heroes, even if you want to focus on Goofy as the driver.

Change the name to something that gives more info about the ride. It sounds like Autopia or something; like it's just a kiddie racetrack ride. The ride is about Pete and Blot doing some sort of crime and having to be stopped, so pick a more exciting title. Just because you ride in cars and they spin doesn't mean that has to be an important aspect of the title. However, if you want it to be, call it Goofy's Great Car Chase, or Goofy's Crazy Car Chase, or even more appealing, Mickey's Cartoon Car Chase or something. Again, that's just if you insist on the title involving the car subject. Mickey's Motor Chase could also work.

As for a setting, I wouldn't worry too much about stating a time-period. Just give it some style and let the viewer guess. Another words, make it very film-noir and it'll have that 40's/50's detective movie feel. That'd be reminiscent of the comics, but it doesn't need to be stated anywhere or anything. Perhaps the outside should look like the Toontown Police Station, and inside, at the beginning of the ride, Chief O'hara is asking Mickey, Goofy, and Donald to help him solve a mystery. It should mostly take place in an urban streets setting though. In truth, this would also work well as a "Bonkers" ride, but then you'd still be without a great Mickey, Donald, and Goofy ride. Frankly, it just doesn't make sense to me for Goofy to be going up against Pete and the Blot on his own. Anyway, he's not really the driver since the driver is the park guest, right? So, I'd definitely use this as an opportunity to feature the main Disney gang. Even Daisy and Minnie and Pluto could appear in the end or something. I'd even like to see Clarabelle, Horace, and Clara Cluck pop up somewhere.

Well, I was thinking about making the ride function like Pooh's Hunny Hunt. It's the same technology as that ride. It could have at least two cars be departed at once and they split up at different intervals. And absolutely NOTHING is simply flat cutouts whenever possible.

Anyway, here is my storyline for my ride (if you still don't like, let's see if we can somehow combine the two together, because I DO like it):

Pete, who has had enough about the way bad cartoons are always defeated, gets involved with the Phantom Blot's latest evil scheme to destroy Toontown, which is to use a laser gun that will "erase" the cartoons from existence, similar to the Dip. They've even kidnapped Mickey, Minnie, Donald and Daisy so that they would be the first to go. The guests arrive at Pete's car mechanic shop from Goof Troop, where they board Goofy's (who's a mechanic there) Toon Car Limt., which are similar in appearance to the photo op green car outside Goofy's Gas at DL's Toontown. The ride involves you and Goofy trying to stop the villains and save the day, while going on a wild ride through Toontown, with Pete and the Phantom Blot causing trouble for you along the way in a slew of bizarre situations. Eventually, you arrive at the Phantom Blot's evil laboratory, where the cars end up in similar position to the end of RRCTS, where you are facing the Plot's laser gun head on and the mice and ducks are being bound and suspended by a power winch in the path of the gun. Luckily, Goofy, as his alter ego, Super Goof, saves you and the mice and ducks, and the Blot and Pete are arrested. You end up at an alley in Toontown with Goofy and the others giving you a thanks as you leave the ride.

Is this a good idea for a plot? If you don't like it, can we at least combine our two storylines together somehow?

Well, I definitely am against the flat cutouts.

I like aspects of your ride idea, but there are a few things that I think could make it a better ride. One thing I'm not a big fan of is the desire to make it similar to the Roger ride. Why do that? So, I'd avoid too much emphasis on themes specifically remeniscent to the Roger Rabbit film, such as direct references to Toontown and WFRR like concepts (like dip and toons and ideas liked that). Even if the area is supposed to be called Toontown, this ride is about the fab five (or six, if you say it like that; I hate leaving Daisy out because she's a fave of mine, but they are always referred to as the fab five and she is omitted entirely). I'd like to see Roger Rabbit references or even attractions in this section of the park, but this ride should celebrate the heritage of Mickey and the gang. I still say, take more of the inspiration from the comics, especially since Phantom Blot is one of the villains.

Also, I'm just not a big fan of making Goofy the star. And, don't get me wrong, I love Goofy, but Mickey should totally be the hero here. I mean, think about it, the fab "six" is finally getting their own ride, and Mickey takes backseat to Goofy? Nah, that's never going to work for me. I'm fine if they are working as partners though, since they always did in the comics. I mean, sheesh, Goofy is the only one who has a ride already. I'd rather leave Goofy's Barnstormer exaclty as it is than make that the Mickey ride and this dark ride a Goofy ride.

Basically, I think it's a great idea, but it would have to be redone to be less of a Toontown story plugging in Goofy in Roger's place, and if it's about major Mickey characters (including his greatest nemeses teaming up), then Mickey's got to be the star. Besides, the idea of Goofy as the driver doesn't work anyway because he's not going to be sitting next to you in the car. They'd have to make cars with animatronic Goofy drivers to make that make sense at all. And that would be a nightmare making sure they're all working correctly all the time. So, even if it starred Goofy, the best they could do is have him be a main character you see along the way, killing the idea of Goofy being the driver anyway. Basically, I'm saying I think this idea could work if we drop the copying of the Roger ride and we forget about Goofy being the lead. Have the story be about Pete and Blot doing some big crime, kidnapping Mickey's friends, whatever, and Mickey (or Mickey and Goofy, or even Mickey and Minnie so it's not sexist) solving the Mystery and going to save them. With those adjustments, it'd be a good idea.

However, I'm not saying a Goofy dark ride couldn't work. The idea of him being your dangerous driver in some sort of ride through Toontown could be pretty fun, but I don't think it would work as Goofy vs. Pete and the Phantom Blot. That whole concept just doesn't fly with me. What I COULD see, as a separate Goofy attraction, would be a ride where Goofy operates a trolley/tour bus and gives you a wild tour through the streets of Toontown's downtown. This way, if you do have to have an animatronic Goofy driving, there could be fewer to manage as he could be driving a busload of people each time. Also, another way to do it would be to have a screen at the front of the trolley (looking like a window perhaps) where we see our driver, an animated (CGI perhaps) Goofy giving us the tour. That's not a bad concept, actually. And, of course, the tour could get rather dangerous. However, it would be a very different ride that I could see in place of the Blot/Pete idea or as a separate addition. Actually, I really like the idea, now that I think of it. Goofy's Downtown Toontown Tour. It could have all sorts of Disney toons in it doing cameos, too!

So, here's another option:

Mickey Mouse in "The Phantom Blot Plot" (new dark ride)

Goofy's Downtown Toontown Tour (new dark ride)

Donald's Plane Crazy (or some other new title, which would be a redone version of Goofy's Barnstormer)

plus...

Von Drake's House of Genius (attraction remeniscent of "The Time Keeper," or a live-show, either way ending with a hands on activity area for kids; this attraction could also be at home in EPCOT instead)

Adjustments to WDW Railroad: Animatronic toons amidst the trees (like Big Bad and the three little pigs) as one nears Toontown, and perhaps a psychedelic tunnel first, with the "Smile, Darn Ya, Smile" song playing on the other side.

Character homes would become meet 'n' greet areas for the characters that live there (Mickey and Pluto at Mickey's house, etc...).

And, a new idea of mine that I really like, an addition to the new living characters initiative: Roger Rabbit driving around in Benny the Cab! I think this is a great idea, like the Bunsen and Beaker they currently have at EPCOT and California Adventure! Roger rides around Toontown in Benny, and maybe even with a real Eddie Valiant (actor, of course) riding with him or following closely. It works even better than the "assistant" guy following Bunsen around. I mean, this way the human chaperone would be a character too. They could also bring back Dreamfinder and Figment this way.

Yeah, I think those listed above are exactly the changes I'd make to Mickey's Toontown Fair myself, along with renaming it Mickey's Toontown. However, I'd always want to add that Money Bin ride that would be a thrill ride for the area and another something BIG for the park, like the various mountains. And I'd also keep the idea on deck for an underground Gummi Bears coaster ride.

Well, I think we should only do the TV shows ONLY in moderation. I don't mind your money bin attraction idea. Since it involves characters from DuckTales, I think we should call it simply: "DuckTales: The Ride". Simple yet simple.

And as for the Fab Six (the Fab Five, plus Daisy) vs. Pete and the Blot, how about calling the ride, "Mickey and the Blot Plot", so it's not so long a title?

In this ride queue, however, I still think we should have ONE thing left over from RRCTS. That one thing (or rather, set of one thing) is license plates, whose jumbles of letters and letters actually decode as various Disney characters and/or movies. But before I post them, I want to go on record as saying that I think this ride should be set in some specific time period, like say, the late 1950s or early '60s. You know, a period setting, like RRCTS, which is unofficially set in 1947, like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the movie on which the ride is of course based. All the same plates will be there, as will several brand new plates as well.

I think the Mickey and the Blot ride should be set in, say, 1958 or '59.

Therefore, I think the above license plates should be displayed thus, first on the left wall, then the right. The years on each of the plates range from anywhere between 1929 and 1958. The word TOONTOWN will be on the plates as well, as will the different years on them. They will look like this (the years beside each jumble of numbers and letters are the years displayed on those plates):

LEFT WALL
2N TOWN (1943)
DONL DUK (1934)
1D N PTR (1955)
CASY JR (1929)
B B WOLF (1944)
BAMBI (1936)
101 DALMN (1941)
TGGR (1931)
FANTZYA (1954)
PINOKIO (1946)
ALADN (1949)
RS2CATS (1938)
ZPD2DA (1945)
SNO WITE (1930)


RIGHT WALL
CAP10 HK (1947)
RSQRS (1952)
7 DWRFS (1937)
L MERM8 (1940)
3 LIL PGS (1948)
3 CBLROS (1953)
MR TOAD (1939)
DZNYLND (1933)
1DRLND (1951)
DUMBO (1958)
JNGL BK (1932)
MRY PPNS (1957)
IM L8 (1950)
GEPETO (1942)


What do you think? Clever, huh? And "Mickey and the Blot Plot" would have to be a Fastpass ride, to be sure.

That sounds cool. Set the Mickey ride in the 50's. I think 60's would be too late. With the DuckTales ride though, remember that the adventures of Scrooge and the boys (plus Donald) was a very popular comic book phenomenon long before DuckTales ever came into existence. Not sure if I'd prefer it to be based on the comics or the TV show, but I guess it'd be cool to have Launchpad and some other characters from the show. But, there's always the choice, so it doesn't really have to be a TV show based ride. I think there should be at least a couple of TV show based attractions though, and I mean ones not related to the fab six. I mean, just one wouldn't make sense, and some variety would be nice anyway. And, technically, the only for sure TV based one I mentioned was Gummi Bears, which is just so perfect to make into a ride. One other attraction, whether it be the Land of Wuz or a Kim Possible ride or whatever, would be awesome!

And I forgot, I'd still like to see a restaurant type presence in the form of either House of Mouse or the Ink and Paint Club. There could be live-performances on a stage from any characters at all, and it'd be a place to eat too, so that'd be something different for that section of the park. Heck, a shame House of Mouse never became a chain of restaurants across the country, ha. They could even just show cartoons part of the time at these places.

I have an idea for improving the Toontown Disaster.

CLOSE IT!

Then invest money that could have been spent on the Toontown and use it to add rides in Fantasyland. The lines are always terrible in Fantasyland in relation to the length of the ride because families with young kids spend so much time there. They need to add about five new rides in Fantasyland.

But where will they go to reliably meet Mickey and the gang? Or didn't you think about that?

Don't be so hasty next time.

Mickey and the phantom blot that is a great dark ride for Mickey Mouse. In the preshow the guest is waiting to go to the vehicles and see the screen and Mickey appeared on the screen. Then Mickey needs your help to save the city from the Phantom Blot. Then suddenly in the screen the Phantom blot has kidnapped Mickey Mouse to the top of pile of dynomite . Then second Preshow the Chief O' Hara talked to the guest .You must save the town and Mickey Mouse from the phantom blot. Then the signal goes out and appeared the Phantom Blot. The Phantom Blot tied up Mickey Mouse bound and gagged to top of the pile of dynomite then the video camera moves to see Poor Mickey Mouse tied up bound and gagged on top of the pile dynomite ! Noone can save Mickey Mouse in time! Not even Mickey's friends and those tourist can save Mickey Mouse in time. Then Mickey cried out HELP!! Then the signal came back the chief O' Hara needs you to save the town and Mickey Mouse from the cluches of the Phantom Blot. Then You arrived to the vehicles and saw the chief O' Hara in the montors in the vehicles. Then the guest is looking for Mickey Mouse! Then suddenly the guest heard Mickey Mouse is crying for help! Then the vehicles found the location of where is Mickey is being held. Then suddenly Phantom blot trapped you and the vehicle too! " So you tourist trying to save Mickey Mouse from his doom! Then Mickey's friends is coming to your rescue and freed you from the force field and also save Mickey Mouse from the cluches of the phantom blot! Then your arrived to the station and the Chief O' Hara thank you for saving the town and save Mickey from the Phantom blot and the guest saw the phantom blot in jail in the exit. You can buy a picture of you during a rescue of Mickey Mouse and the whole town From the phantom blot!
What do you think?

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Well, I don't really like the idea of Mickey being kidnapped, not him being the only one, anyway. So how about having a few more kidnappees, too? I'm thinking at least Minnie, Donald and Daisy, which was partly my idea the whole time, and only Goofy and maybe Pluto escape and they need your help to save their friends. Chief O'Hara agrees to let them go with you, but warns all of you to be on your guard at all costs. Pete sides with the Blot, by the way.

And as for the dynamite, how about we up the ante(sp?) and make it a timed explosive, like a time-bomb and complete with an alarm clock and LOTS of other explosives (like bombs, firecrackers, nitroglycerin and even A-bombs). The villains here are trying to kill two birds with one stone (so to speak): they want to destroy Toontown's most famous residents (the two mice and the two ducks) and take all of Toontown with them. Granted, I know that sounds a lot like Roger Rabbit and the Dip, but still, it needs to have SOME RR-type qualities. The ride needs to be out of control, too, like RRCTS and Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. It just has to be, especially with Goofy.

Other than the comments I just made, it's good.