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Be Honest. Which animated sequels do you own? Also, which ones do you plan on buying in the future?

I know many people dislike the Disney animated sequels so I'm trying to find out how many people own them anyways. Please don't list Toy Story 2 because in my mind that's a Pixar sequel, not a Disney one.

At the moment I just own "Peter Pan in Return to Neverland" but I will most likely purchase "Stitch!: The Movie", "Lilo & Stitch 2", "The Lion King II: Simba's Pride: Special Edition" and "The Lion King 1 1/2: Hakuna Matata" when they are released.

Satoshi wrote:Which animated sequels do you own? Also, which ones do you plan on buying in the future?

none and none.

Does Rescuers Down under count or are you talking about D2V only?
I have that one plus The Tigger Movie.
I don't plan to buy any more sequels, have seen some and liked none of them.

I'm a none and noner too, I'm afraid.

I must admit I haven't actually seen any of them, other than the first 10 minutes of the Aladdin sequel thing, which was enough to tell me all I needed to know.

I don't have a problem with Disney making them though. I know there are lots of kids out there who want to see more of their favourites, and lots of parents that can use a few more films in the repertoire, instead of the same ones over and over and over again.

Billy Moon wrote:are you talking about D2V only?

Nope, I mean all of them minus Toy Story 2.

Well, I've got them all (well most of them - I think I'm missing one or two) and I make no apologies for it either. While some of the releases have been terrible (such as Belle's Magical World) and some have been disappointing (Hunchback II) most have been entertaining (101 Dalmations II) and some have been superb (Return to Neverland).

On the whole I think the standard of Disney's animated sequels has been improving and am greatly looking forward to their next batch (apart from Stitch! which I feel will be disappointing coming from the TV series). You know there's noting wrong with sequels - lots of works of great literature are sequels, Shakespeare wrote theamatic sequels to some of this greatest plays (and two are almost direct sequels and even share the same minor character!) while Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was forced by the public to write more Sherlock Holmes tales when he no longer wanted to, after 'killing off' the detective as well, no less! Sequels, to anything, aren't automatically "evil".

That said, I'm not currently for Disney's current business model. Disney does have a problem when over half of it's animated output are sequels (or even sequels to sequels). A monkey in a business suit can see that the vault of Disney characters is being emptied faster than Disney are creating new additions.

In my opinion, every sequel Disney produces need two things.

Firstly, Disney really needs to slow down the sequel train, and put lots of developement time and thought into each sequel. Why make a sequel? What can we say in this sequel that is truly unique while keeping the feel of the original? Are we adding something to the original characters and story? Only make the sequel if these questions can be answered. Plus 2 DTV sequels a year should be the maximum - enabling each release to have more time (and money) spent on the animation.

Secondly, we - the public - need to have more acceptance of Disney's sequels. I can't count how many times [not necessarily on this forum] I've read negative comments about existing sequels when the poster hasn't actually seen them, or people complaining about sequels while they are still in production.

They're only movies - hopefully movies which will finance Disney so that they continue to make new and original animated movies for the big screen. And no sequel, no matter how poor takes anything away from the original. Is 'Beauty and the Beast' a lesser film now because the cheap and nasty 'Belle's Magical World' was released? I think not.

Anyhow, to answer the question so far I own:

101 Dalmations II: Patch's London Adventure (R1)
Aladdin and the King of Thieves (R2)
An Extremely Goofy Movie (R1)
Atlantis: Milo's Return (R1)
Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Magical World (R1)
Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas (R1)
Cinderella II: Dreams Come True (R2)
Hunchback of Notre Dame II: The Secret of the Bell (R1)
Inspector Gadget II (R1)
Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure (R2)
Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea (R2)
Mickey's House of Villains (R1)
Mickey's Magical Christmas: Snowed In At The House of Mouse (R1)
Mickey's Once Upon A Christmas (R1)
Pocahontas II: Journey to the New World (R2)
Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin (R2)
Return to Neverland (R1 - and R2 Japanese on it's way!)
Tarzan and Jane (R1)
Tigger Movie (R1)
Winne The Pooh: A Very Merry Pooh Year (R1)
Winnie The Pooh: Frankenpooh/Spookable Pooh (R1)

and have the following on order:

George Of The Jungle II (R1)
Jungle Book II (R1)
Piglet's Big Movie (R1)
Stitch! (R1)

oh I've also got

Dracula II: The Acension on order too, which is a sort of Disney sequel

I've got Lion King II and Little Mermaid 2 that I actually purchased. Only DTV sequels that interest me coming up are the Pooh or Lion King ones.

I tend to go into them with low expectations, so I'm usually not disappointed and I don't venomously hate the notion of DTV sequels. They're a moneymaker for Disney, and they'd be silly not to do them. However, I'm with the consensus that it'd be nice for a little more effort to go into them.

(Oh and I have a free test disc of the dreadful Never Land, and if you count Tigger Movie as a sequel, I've got and love that and Rescuers Down Under and TS2, of course.)

None and none...

Toy Story 2 was a different kind of sequel, and I'm glad it is not included. It had heart and creativity. It wasn't a poorly-animated bore-fest made to make money.

I have Rescuers Down Under on video (should get the DVD when I've got some cash) and Fantasia 2000 on DVD.

I used to buy these all the time when I was younger and didn't realize their worthlessness. Now, there are only a few I like. All of these are VHS only unless marked otherwise. Ones I like have a star by them.

The Lion King II: Simba's Pride* - the best Disney direct-to-video ever done to date, this one stands up as a worthy continuation of the original. I love it.

The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea - horrible, a carbon copy of the first, the best part is "PART OF YOUR WORLD" over the end credits. I want to burn this.

The Return of Jafar - the sequel to the best movie of all time is the worst movie of all time. Enough said (although I did love this when I first bought it as a really young kid, before Kindergarten.) I want to burn this.

Aladdin and the King of Thieves* - not great, but more original and an improvement over Jafar. However, if you take this without the second, there is a plot hole regarding Iago, unfortunately.

Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search For Christopher Robin* - This is a great one. Heartwarming and innocent and really fun to watch. Great songs too, especially "Wherever You Are." Plays out like an extended episode of The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh TV show, which is a good thing.

Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas - I bought this back in 1997 and loved it then, but looking back on it I wonder how I could have. Of course, this was back when I didn't perticularly care for repeated viewings of the first one. This is a horrible movie, an insult to the first in every sense of the word that doesn't deserve to exsist. Too many plot holes with the first and too...horrible. Don't get me started. I want to burn this.

A Very Merry Pooh Year* (DVD) - I won this for free from DVDToons, and it's a really fun movie. Nothing great, of course, but wonderfully warm and very innocently sweet. Plays out like an extended episode of The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh TV show, which is a good thing. A special little movie that I'll watch every holiday season. I can't reccomend this one highly enough for a rental around that time.

I'm planning on buying The Lion King 1 1/2 and might rent Stitch.

I have Hunchback 2 BUT it was beacause it was in a package set which includes Hunchback number one (I LOVE IT) and it was a present for Christmas.

I downloaded Jungle Book2.;;;

currently, none. but soon, I will have lion king 1 1/2 and Lion King 2. Also, Rescures Down Under and a few otther will be added soon!

An Extremely Goofy Movie
Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Magical World
Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure
Lion King II: Simba's Pride
Mickey's House of Villains
Pocahontas II: Journey to the New World
Rescuers Down Under
Return of Jafar
Return to Neverland
Tigger Movie

Matty-Mouse wrote:I have Rescuers Down Under on video (should get the DVD when I've got some cash) and Fantasia 2000 on DVD.

I don't think they count because they were Feature Animation.

I have ALL released on DVD, I am only missing 2 (that I know of) and that is 101 dalmation Christmas (not released on DVD) and Hercules Zero to Hero (or what is was called?, not released on DVD either)..... the colledtion is not complete without them, EVEN if they are bad

I have all of the sequels, that have been released on DVD and I enjoy them for what they are, I know they are not as good as the original nor would I expect them to be. There are a couple that I really did not love but still enjoyed seeing the story(life) of some great disney charecters move on.

I hope that Disney will continue to extend the life of there charecters in any way that they can be it through DTV sequels or the better quality theatrical releases, or through different animated series on television. I love the "House of Mouse" which lets us see the charecters in a different light. And I will continue to purchase the sequels and also go to see them in theater. I personally can't wait to see the seqels of "Dumbo" and "Bambi" when and if they complete those.

I think that Papa Bear and Jake got this sized up pretty well. The target audience for the dtv films aren't us, but are for children, and to extend the life of these characters. They are also probably a much welcomed relief to parents who saw Lion King or whatever a million times, and now they have something different.

...and House of Mouse is a very cool show, a DVD box set of them would be nice to have!

I'm getting a bit irritated at people's growing complacence with cheapquels. I remember a time when 90% of the animation world was totally disgusted with these films, but it seems several of them have been castrated, or something. O_o
But I suppose when Disney beats one over the head with dozens of these things for 10 years, one starts to give. One starts to make excuses for their existence, even. But I'm never going to settle - even if it's a hopeless battle.

The concept of sequels has always been dandy to me. It's cheapquels that I loathe. The fact that it's Disney that's behind this makes me even more irate. What was the studio like when its founder was alive? What was Walt's philosophy? "You can't top pigs with pigs." Walt wasn't nostalgic - he didn't go back to past successes and think of ways to exploit them - he was always looking ahead. Now his legacy has become a cold, all-about-money business machine helmed by innumerable monkeys, and it's spiraling out of control. Making more cheapquels now is like spitting into the wind - it'll come right back at you - they won't do the company any good, barring the short-term gain they get from video sales. :-p

I don't have any cheapquels on dvd - and I intend to keep it that way. Waste of good disc space, in my opinion. Yet I do make an effort to at least rent them and view them once - I prefer to know my enemies. And I can solidly state to thee that I do not like cheapquels. Off the top of my head, here are some reasons -

1) They're bloody awful. There's little effort put into this schlock, including the higher-profile ones. They're often saccharine, watered-down rehashes of the original classic.
2) With every cheapquel made, Disney is systematically cannibalizing its most valuable assets. It's like poaching an endangered species - where will the income come from when that animal's been wiped out?
3) The new generation of kids today will ever more equate Disney with these abominations, and even worse, may grow up with an aversion to originality, after imprinting themselves on Disney serials all their young life. O_o
4) They do not make good business sense. Good business sense has some foresight to it - has a willingness to endure the instant pain for the future benefits. Cheapquels are made for sheer short-term profit, 'cause believe you me, these video babysitters will not appreciate in value.
5) People may buy cheapquels for years to come, but what about the abstract, Disney monkeys? If you see past that manic money haze in your eyes, you would see that your reputation will deteriorate in the eyes of the public, much more damage than making an adult-oriented animated film would ever do.

There can be a balance, though I doubt it'll be found at Disney for a while. A key element is to let the animators do their jobs. Let the creative people create - let them tell their story in the way they want it told (and maybe even let them make some of the promo art! ), and you business monkeys can handle distribution. As it is, each feature-animated film is extremely micro-managed, and it will only hurt the film. Guess what, monkeys? Your input is neither valuable nor valid. You know diddly-squat about making films, so get your damn noses out of it!
And like I said before, there must also be foresight, and a willingness to weather the short-term storms to see the sunlight of future profits.

I may be speaking as an idealist, but hey - the only thing left for us Disney fans is to dream of a better tomorrow, eh?

I actually just bought a bunch of sequels, but mainly because they were in a bargain bin.
With the three most recent I own listed first, I have:

101 Dalmations 2: Patch's London Adventure
Return to Neverland
Tarzan & Jane
Atlantis: Milo's Return
Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin
The Tigger Movie

I also intend to pick up the following when they come out in the next few months:
Piglet's Big Movie
Stitch! The Movie
Anything Pooh related (yeah big surprise)

As a rule, I have no objection to sequels in principle. Some of my favourite films are effectively sequels (Empire Strikes Back, Godfather II, 18 of the 19 films that came after Dr No, Evil Dead 2, the list goes on - I suppose there is no accounting for taste though).

I tend to agree most with 2099net's comments on this. There are a great number of both literary and cinematic sequels that have varied in quality.

Many people DO criticise the sequels unfairly, as some of them are actually quite good (especially the Pooh ones). Many of the critics have not seen them, others have and wish to burn their eyes out. Both opinions are valid. There are several sequels to live action film I refuse to see so as not to tarnish my view of the first film.

However, Disney needs these sequels. I know I will get hammered for saying this, but the box office returns have not been as profitable as one would hope of late. And it does take a lot of time and effort to animate for the big screen. Disney's video and DVD sales, on the other hand, are always huge.

Look at these figures from Box Office Mojo
(Top Selling DVDs of January 1-June 30 2002, so it doesn't factor in Beauty & the Beast)
7 Atlantis: The Lost Empire 1.70 million units = $43.1
8 Cinderella II: Dreams Come True 1.50 million units = $37.1
11 Snow Dogs. 1.33 million units = $28.1
21 Peter Pan 0.76 million units = $18.2
30 Hunchback of Notre Dame 2 0.54 0.76 million units =$12.5

As I said, Disney home sales are huge, and the DTV stuff is a necessarily big part of that. One can bitch and moan about how the quality is crap, and it cheapens the original, but neither really matter. The original is still there to be watched - these DTV sequels don't replace them.
The money Disney makes off all this in part ensures that we will still be getting the big budget animation, even if it does not sell as well at the box office, the home market still will.

Anyways, I'll get off the soapbox and let someone far more knowing speak...

That is very well said Loomis and I completly agree with you.