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Does anyone else hope and or think that Enchanted, The Frog Princess and Rapunzel will be the 4th Disney renissance? Hopefully because there will be more characters Disney doesn't forget and ignore because their film wasn't popular or successful.

Have there been three already?

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:Have there been three already?

Well, not so much "rennaissances", more "golden ages". The first ran from the late 1930s to the early 1940s, including films such as Snow Whtie, Bambi and Pinocchio etc.
The second began in 1950 with Cinderella, after the package features of the 1940s. When this golden age ended is debatable, many fans believe it ended in 1959 with Sleeping Beauty, but others believe it ended with Walt's death in 1966. Personally, I would see Walt's death as the end of that particular era in disney, therefore including movies such as Mary Poppins, disney's most successful film to date. Other famous characters were created in the 1960s such as Winnie the Pooh.
The third golden age began in 1989 with The Little Mermaid, and continued into the '90s with hit films such as "Beauty and the Beast", "Aladdin" and "The Lion King". Many would include later films in this era such as "Pocahontas" and "Hunchbach of Notre Dame", although these films didn't match the success as the four before them.

So, after that quick explanation, I'll get back to your question. Yes I'm eagerly awaiting disney's new "Rennaissance", and I certainly hope one of these movies will mark the beginning of it. I think the most likely candidates are "Frog Princess" and "Rapunzel". I'm looking forward to Rapunzel most of all as it seems like a much more traditional fairytale, and with the right music and characters, it could be as beautiful as it's earlier fairytale animated counterparts.

It's really hard to say. Since Enchanted is a (mostly) live-action film, we can't really put it as part of a renaissance since we usually use that term for feature animation films only. At most we could say (if it's successful) that Enchanted paved the way for a fourth one. It all really hangs on whether or not The Frog Princess and Rapunzel become critically and/or financially successful. I'm pretty sure they'll do well financially, though critically is anyone's guess. For all we know, Rapunzel may not even get made. It's supposedly having trouble with its second and third acts, and Glen Keane has till June to smoothen them out. Then again, some of the best Disney films have come out of crunching deadlines. Two films can hardly be called a renaissance, though. We'd have to see how the next film after Rapunzel (which is what, anyway?) turns out.

Jay wrote:Does anyone else hope and or think that Enchanted, The Frog Princess and Rapunzel will be the 4th Disney renissance? Hopefully because there will be more characters Disney doesn't forget and ignore because their film wasn't popular or successful.

Well, ignoring The Frog Princess(which I personally don't see going anywhere) or Rapunzel(which is rumored to be retooled), there is no way Enchanted will ever possibly be part of a "renaissance" because...

1. It's animation is being outsourced, and people always (and unfairly) forget "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" when debating on a "renaissance"(althought The Little Mermaid did worse than Treasure Planet when compared to Roger), so that disincludes it already.

2. It's only 10 minutes of animation. WOW! 10 MINUTES! I don't have the exact numbers, but I think that's even less than Mary Poppins, which is pretty much confirmed by everyone a "live-action" film. This will hardly play well in this supposed "renaissance".

3. Frankly, I'm expecting this film to bomb at the box office. These films *never* do well at the box office. Look at "Ella Enchanted"(hey, the film's title is in there) and "A Cinderella Story". Now, it's a bit different than the others as it has a "Fat Albert" twist in it, but, look how that film turned out as well. Sure, this film might have high ambitions, but so did "The Black Hole" and "Return to Oz". And Disney already has a successful "princess live-action" movie with "The Princess Diaries".

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:

Jay wrote:Does anyone else hope and or think that Enchanted, The Frog Princess and Rapunzel will be the 4th Disney renissance? Hopefully because there will be more characters Disney doesn't forget and ignore because their film wasn't popular or successful.

Well, ignoring The Frog Princess(which I personally don't see going anywhere) or Rapunzel(which is rumored to be retooled), there is no way Enchanted will ever possibly be part of a "renaissance" because...

1. It's animation is being outsourced, and people always (and unfairly) forget "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" when debating on a "renaissance"(althought The Little Mermaid did worse than Treasure Planet when compared to Roger), so that disincludes it already.

2. It's only 10 minutes of animation. WOW! 10 MINUTES! I don't have the exact numbers, but I think that's even less than Mary Poppins, which is pretty much confirmed by everyone a "live-action" film. This will hardly play well in this supposed "renaissance".

3. Frankly, I'm expecting this film to bomb at the box office. These films *never* do well at the box office. Look at "Ella Enchanted"(hey, the film's title is in there) and "A Cinderella Story". Now, it's a bit different than the others as it has a "Fat Albert" twist in it, but, look how that film turned out as well. Sure, this film might have high ambitions, but so did "The Black Hole" and "Return to Oz". And Disney already has a successful "princess live-action" movie with "The Princess Diaries".

Cynical much??? Ithinkso. That has to be one of the most random and un-informed posts I've ever read.

Anyways, I think it could very well be the beginning of the fourth Golden Age in Disney animation, so long "Joe Jump" (the film rumoured to be following "The Frog Princess") isn't as awful as it sounds, and the musical, 2-D fairytales keep on coming.

I don't think we can surely know until the films are actually released. That's how I view it.

The Frog Princess(which I personally don't see going anywhere)

Why? I think it looks to be the best of the three. Rapunzel looks horrible (and I've always hated the story, too), while Enchanted reminds me of movies like 13 Going on 30 or The Beautician and the Beast (which are nice little films at the time, but are rarely remembered by the general public).

1. It's animation is being outsourced, and people always (and unfairly) forget "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" when debating on a "renaissance"(althought The Little Mermaid did worse than Treasure Planet when compared to Roger), so that disincludes it already.

Perhaps Who Framed Roger Rabbit gets discluded because it doesn't look like a Disney film? That, and doesn't it include characters from other companies (like Bugs Bunny)? I can't remember since I haven't see it in forever. But when I think of Bugs Bunny, I don't think Disney.

I think it Frog Princess and Rapunzel could be the start of a new golden age if done right. Though I do have worries about Joe Jump, both because of the rumored storyline and also because I'm personally biased and I really want a classic fairy tale for Classic #50 (but if Rapunzel gets pushed back again to after Joe Jump then I may get my wish).

lol, well I love Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but I think being compared to the DAC's as the third golden age or renaissance whatever you prefer it doesnt hold the reason. One being I consider it more live-action then animated. It also hosted a lot of the other characters from other famous cartoons, plus having these animated characters in a human based world that hasnt been seen a lot so theres plenty of reason as to why Roger had such success. It's a hilarious movie but I don't think its reason to giving Disney a third golden age. When I look at the golden ages for Disney I look at the animated films and only animated films. Since that seems to be what most everyone thinks as a " Disney Golden Age"

Anyways Im hoping the 4th renaissance will be coming soon. I don't think Enchanted will be reason to it because it falls in the same reason I just said up there^^. I do however think Rapunzel and The Frog Princess could very much have a 4th Golden Age.

ChrisLyne wrote:I think it Frog Princess and Rapunzel could be the start of a new golden age if done right. Though I do have worries about Joe Jump, both because of the rumored storyline and also because I'm personally biased and I really want a classic fairy tale for Classic #50 (but if Rapunzel gets pushed back again to after Joe Jump then I may get my wish).

I know! The 50th should be the very best! Has anyone heard about the long-rumoured The Search for Mickey Mouse? Supposedly, all the voicework is done, but the film itself got delayed from 2004 so it could be the 50th feature in the Disney Animated Features Canon.

I remember reading about that! That was the one where Mickey goes missing and Minnie teams with Basil to find him right? It was meant to have large roles from some characters (I believe Aladdin was said to be one?) and at the very least cameos from characters from all of the previous classics.

I didn't know they had done all the voice work, I just remember reading it was abandoned as (I think) some execs didn't like the idea and it was around the time they were switching from traditional to CGI.

I do hope the revive it for Classic #50 (I'm hopeful for traditional animation as well, but I could live with CGI done right.

ChrisLyne wrote:I remember reading about that! That was the one where Mickey goes missing and Minnie teams with Basil to find him right? It was meant to have large roles from some characters (I believe Aladdin was said to be one?) and at the very least cameos from characters from all of the previous classics.

I didn't know they had done all the voice work, I just remember reading it was abandoned as (I think) some execs didn't like the idea and it was around the time they were switching from traditional to CGI.

I do hope the revive it for Classic #50 (I'm hopeful for traditional animation as well, but I could live with CGI done right.

I've heard that the voices are done, and they're doing it in CGI for the 50th. But I could be wrong, but that is something I've heard.

a new renaissance all depends on how good "The Frog Princess" is. And if WDFA can manage to get enough great artists as it once had during the late 80's, then maybe, just maybe, we might be in for a 4th Golden Age of Disney animation. granted of course that Pixar doesn;t try to meddle with it too much.

For Enchanted, I see it as being the equivalent of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" if compared to the first renaissance. As for Rapunzel...I really doubt John Lasseter would let it be the movie Glen Keane wants it to be, I actually see this movie being canned before the end of the decade.

don't golden ages include only 2-D animation??? The Frog Princess has a 50-50 chance of starting one, because, although we are going back to traditonally animated film about a "they live happily ever after" type story, they're setting the story on a much more modern situation than any other fairytale, even though it's the same exact mood, the epoch of the movie is much too real to us and it doesn't really ring the "once upon a time" bell.

Here's how I see it: John Lasseter wants another rennaissance as much as we all do. He understands everything that's wrong with Disney animation, and he's going to fix that. So when I hear him say "this is classic Disney as you've never seen before," I believe him.

i hope we do have another golden age since they need it badly after all the movies like Home On The Range and Chicken Little.
i do hope that either The Frog Princess or Rapunzal start it or the 50th animated film. i hope for the Frog Princess since it's going to be a musical like the old films of the previous golden years and the fact that i'm happy about them finally getting a black princess.
i hope for Rapunzal since it's a classic fairy tale and a classic has always started the golden eras.

i just hope we get it cause if we don't i'm going to look like this

I was pretty much hoping for the same old crap actually - Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Home on the Range, Chicken Little

Mr. Toad wrote:I was pretty much hoping for the same old crap actually - Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Home on the Range, Chicken Little

don't forget that the disney company made a lot of changes since eisner, if all this hadn't happened i would hope for the same thhing, but because of this changes we are getting these promising princess projects, in a way it is a renaissance already. we're disney fans for cryin' out loud!!! we're supposed to BELIEVE!!!

Cute feeling got to say, but very unlikely

let´s face the fact that when this golden ages happened there was not much or even none competence on the animation universe.
As we had seen, Disney wasn´t really prepared to face the new threat that represented other studios like fox, dreamworks and others. Being just able to fight back with alliances like the one with Pixar.

I see a fourth golden age in future only if Disney can succede in any of this ways:

1.-They must go back to their origins, resolve and get again the formula that give them their succes or

2.-Make maybe not great movies but good enough movies, save all their money and start buying their competitors as they did with Pixar

Otherwise, the Disney destiny could be the same that the one of the fairytales, just to live in our memories

....pretty ironic huh?