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In a lot of pictures of her wearing it her waist looks thin. Is the black part a corset it looks like it is squeezing her and does Ariel have one on her blue dress?

y'know i often wonder about that too. but her waist could also look thin due to the animated style of the movie.

Another thing about cloths in SB that puzzle me is this: when those three faries were making a surprise party for Aurora, the said how they never cooked and sown cloths before without using wands(resulting ugly dress and ugly cake.) If that's so, how the hell were they able 1.) raise Aurora, and 2.) make that nice peasent dress for her?

Super Aurora wrote: Another thing about cloths in SB that puzzle me is this: when those three faries were making a surprise party for Aurora, the said how they never cooked and sown cloths before without using wands(resulting ugly dress and ugly cake.) If that's so, how the hell were they able 1.) raise Aurora, and 2.) make that nice peasent dress for her?

Perhaps they bought it in some kind of market-place?

lord-of-sith wrote:

Super Aurora wrote: Another thing about cloths in SB that puzzle me is this: when those three faries were making a surprise party for Aurora, the said how they never cooked and sown cloths before without using wands(resulting ugly dress and ugly cake.) If that's so, how the hell were they able 1.) raise Aurora, and 2.) make that nice peasent dress for her?

Perhaps they bought it in some kind of market-place?

could be, but would they want to away from society due to Malificant's heavy duty watching?

To me it just looked like everyone did things differently than they normally did. Maryweather knew how to bake the cake, but Fauna never had and she wanted to, so Flora made it so she could do the cake even though she never had before. If i had to guess i'd say that Fauna would normally make the clothes too. I think Flora does nothing and jsut makes the other 2 do everything. That's always been what i assumed about that.

Super Aurora wrote:Another thing about cloths in SB that puzzle me is this: when those three faries were making a surprise party for Aurora, the said how they never cooked and sown cloths before without using wands(resulting ugly dress and ugly cake.) If that's so, how the hell were they able 1.) raise Aurora, and 2.) make that nice peasent dress for her?

Within the context of the movie, we see that Flora is the self-appointed leader, while Fauna's that empty-headed emotional one, and Merriweather is the only one who actually knows what's going on and what to do about it. All throughout the film, Merriweather's apparently the smartest character next to Maleficent (who herself isn't the darkest demon in the underworld...with those idiot goons looking for a baby for 16 years...)

1. Flora and Fauna give Rose the gift of beauty and song. Merriweather never got to give her original gift, though based on the previous gifts and fairy's mannerisms, I'd guess Merriweather was to have given Aurora some common sense or some wisdom, something practical. But since she had to use her gift to protect her in case she pricked her finger, Aurora didn't receive the common sense/wisdom, which is why she ended up pricking her finger.

2. Flora's suggestion for protecting Aurora is ridiculous (turn her into a flower), as Merriweather points out. Merriweather thinks practically, she knows what to expect and how to avoid it. Sure, Flora figures out the whole "raise her in secrecy idea", but the one blunder in the plan is the "no magic" rule. Merriweather first suggests the magic, perhaps because she knows they can be protection and of use. And after all, they'd be stopping cold turkey on magic, it'd be hard to do.

3. While they're fawning over the book of the dress, Aurora comes and surprises them, startling Flora and Fauna. They stumble around trying to come up with an excuse before Merriweather, having put up with it for 16 years, knows just what to say.

Merriweather: Yes, but, how are we going to get her out of the house?
Flora: Oh, I'll think of something.
(Giggles, Aurora comes down)
Aurora: Well, and what are you three dears up to?
Merriweather: Up to?
Fauna: Up to?
Flora: Up to?
(Flora and Faunna stuttering)
Merriweather: We want you to pick some berries.
Flora: That's it, berries!

4. Later on, despite having NO experience in either, Flora and Fauna appoint themselves dressmaker and cakemaker. So, who the hell was keeping house the entire sixteen years? One can only assume Merriweather, as she's the only one who has any sense at all. We could assume that Flora and Fauna taught Aurora to be a lady, and Merriweather kept house and actually made food and clothes for them all. After all, Aurora is just as inept and naive as Fauna and Flora, and based on the end results of their dress and cake, it's obvious they never learned how to keep any workplace clean. Merriweather must've done it all.

Merriweather: I'll get the wands!
Flora: The wands?
Fauna: Oh no!
Flora: No magic!
Merriweather: But the sixteen years are almost over.
Flora: We're taking no chances.
Merriweather: But, I've never baked a fancy cake!
Flora: Oh, you won't have to dear.
Fauna: I'm going to bake the cake!
Merriweather: You?!
Flora: She's always wanted to, dear, and this is her last chance.
Merriweather: Well...
Fauna: I'm going to make it fifteen layers with pink and blue forget-me-nots!
Flora: And I'm making the dress!
Merriweather: But you can't sew, and she's never cooked.
Flora: Ho-ho-ho, it's simple!
Fauna: All you do is follow the book!

5. Later on, Merriweather makes the best comment in the film:

Merriweather: I think we've had ENOUGH of this NONSENSE! I think we ought to think of Rose and what she'll think of this mess! I still think what I thunk before, I'm going to get those wands!

And yet later with their wands, despite being proven she was right, Merriweather is relegated back to her normal duties. Clean up everyone else's mess.

6. Wouldn't it have been easier simply to wait until the day AFTER her sixteenth birthday to bring her back? It would have made sense, they'd have their eye on her and keep her from going or doing something stupid.

7. It was extremely stupid of them to leave her alone for even a minute in the castle. They're no longer protected by the deepness of the forest. And while they have no reason to suspect that Maleficent is nearby, it's always good to keep a [Mad-Eye Moody]CONSTANT VIGILANCE[/Mad-Eye Moody].

8. Merriweather notices Maleficent's bird, Mypet (hehehe), and knowing she could wake up Maleficent, is the only one to go stop her. Of course, if she had the help of Flora and Fauna for only a minute, they may have been able to stop its squaking before Maleficent woke up.

Escapay

I love Ariel's blue dress, but i've never been quite sure if it is a corset or not. i don't think Aurora is wearing a corset, it's just how the material laces up at the front i think, as she is poor.

Escapay, I agree with everything with you. Flora and Fauna i hate the most. one they steal the show. Should been retiled "3 good Faries", They hard ever gave Aurora any sense or independences or diologue. Hell the faries practicallt DID the battle for Philip.

Escapay wrote:1. Flora and Fauna give Rose the gift of beauty and song. Merriweather never got to give her original gift, though based on the previous gifts and fairy's mannerisms, I'd guess Merriweather was to have given Aurora some common sense or some wisdom, something practical. But since she had to use her gift to protect her in case she pricked her finger, Aurora didn't receive the common sense/wisdom, which is why she ended up pricking her finger.

In all the books I've read that say what gift Merryweather would have given, they say happiness. Of course, those were only books, and are not canon. But one thing for sure is Disney gave the fairies specific powers that all have to do with their names (you know what Flora and Fauna, are right?).

Flora has powers associated plant life evident in the gift of beauty (showing visions of flowers, "lips that shame the red, red rose, she'll walk in springtime wherever she goes."), thinks of turning Aurora into a flower (Fauna notes, "She always ruins your nicest flowers"), and she turns the goons' arrows into flowers. Fauna has powers connected to animals, evident in the gift of song (showing visions of birds, "The nightengale's her troubadour") and Aurora's very use of that gift (the animals are drawn to her as she sings). It was proposed that Merrywheather would have powers that have to do with weather, so if there is a connection with wisdom and the climate, maybe you'd be right, but since her name has "Merry" in it, I could certainly see the gift of happiness. There would probably be visions of clouds and the sun in her magical gift scene, had she given her planned gift.

Escapay wrote:6. Wouldn't it have been easier simply to wait until the day AFTER her sixteenth birthday to bring her back? It would have made sense, they'd have their eye on her and keep her from going or doing something stupid.

Aurora's parents always wanted a child. They prayed for her. Then she's taken away for 16 years. They want her back as soon as possible. Besides, there's also something about "you can't escape fate" and prophecy's must always be filled...even from stupidity. I'd agree with you if you proposed that Merryweather wanted to wait 'til the day after, but she's not the leader and was overruled.

Escapay wrote:8. Merriweather notices Maleficent's bird, Mypet (hehehe), and knowing she could wake up Maleficent, is the only one to go stop her.

Didn't you know her raven's official name is Diablo?

On top of all this, you can't deny that Merryweather's decision to use magic revealed their hideout. That's not very smart.

Disney Duster wrote:

Escapay wrote:1. Flora and Fauna give Rose the gift of beauty and song. Merriweather never got to give her original gift, though based on the previous gifts and fairy's mannerisms, I'd guess Merriweather was to have given Aurora some common sense or some wisdom, something practical. But since she had to use her gift to protect her in case she pricked her finger, Aurora didn't receive the common sense/wisdom, which is why she ended up pricking her finger.

In all the books I've read that say what gift Merryweather would have given, they say happiness. Of course, those were only books, and are not canon. But one thing for sure is Disney gave the fairies specific powers that all have to do with their names (you know what Flora and Fauna, are right?).

Yeah, I know what flora and fauna are, and Merriweather can be interpreted as happiness (as you said in the books), but at the same time, when you see the personality traits of the fairies, it would make sense for Merriweather to give her a practical gift.

Disney Duster wrote:

Escapay wrote:6. Wouldn't it have been easier simply to wait until the day AFTER her sixteenth birthday to bring her back? It would have made sense, they'd have their eye on her and keep her from going or doing something stupid.

Aurora's parents always wanted a child. They prayed for her. Then she's taken away for 16 years. They want her back as soon as possible. Besides, there's also something about "you can't escape fate" and prophecy's must always be filled...even from stupidity. I'd agree with you if you proposed that Merryweather wanted to wait 'til the day after, but she's not the leader and was overruled.

I agree, the prophecy fulfillment likely was a major factor, but still, it's just totally ridiculous for them to go back the night of her birthday when they know that it would have likely been safer in the spinning-wheel-less cottage.

Disney Duster wrote:

Escapay wrote:8. Merriweather notices Maleficent's bird, Mypet (hehehe), and knowing she could wake up Maleficent, is the only one to go stop her.

Didn't you know her raven's official name is Diablo?

Mypet is simply an inside joke between Kram and I. Maleficent refers to the raven as "my pet", that we like to consider its name to be Mypet. Kram told me at one point that its name was Diablo, but I personally like to call the raven Mypet.

Disney Duster wrote:On top of all this, you can't deny that Merryweather's decision to use magic revealed their hideout. That's not very smart.

Neither was having Flora and Fauna do the dress and cake. Of course, we could also argue that since they can easily make the dress pink or blue, Flora should have just kept on working with a blue dress after Merriweather changed it, then change it to pink once Aurora came back. After all, Flora didn't seem to notice it was blue the entire time that Aurora was originally wearing it (from going to the palace, to laying asleep, to coming to dance with the prince). Then again, Flora and Merriweather were always butting heads, so the blue/pink battle makes sense and be true to their characters.

Escapay

Escapay, I almost agree with everything you said. I see beauty and Flora going together, but I don't see the correlation between singing and Fauna's personality. Maybe when people are happy-go-lucky they hum and sing a lot? But I just think it's more with their powers than their personalities. Flowers look beautiful, animals "sing" and make noises, and weather...can be "sunny" and happy...?

And I thought it might be "my pet". Pretty good joke, I just like calling things by their official names. Then again, me and my freind like to refer to Flotsam and Jetsam as "the poopsies". We even go as far as to name them individually "Poopsie 1" and "Poopsie 2".

Disney Duster wrote:Escapay, I almost agree with everything you said. I see beauty and Flora going together, but I don't see the correlation between singing and Fauna's personality. Maybe when people are happy-go-lucky they hum and sing a lot? But I just think it's more with their powers than their personalities. Flowers look beautiful, animals "sing" and make noises, and weather...can be "sunny" and happy...?

The way I see it, if Flora = beauty = physical appearance, then Fauna = song = communication. And communication is a major sense used within all the animals, despite them not having the ability of speech. So physical appearance and communication are bestowed upon Aurora through Flora and Fauna.

With Merriweather, her name could translate into "Merry Weather" as you said, but at the same time "Merry Weather" can just as easily be translated as not only the forces of nature, but the forces of the mind (hope that makes sense). Hence, her gift (IMO) of wisdom. Nature is affected by everything around it (like the butterfly effect theory), but at the same time, there is a greater force that controls it all. Merriweather's gift would have been the wisdom to control her emotions, the common sense to better know and understand the world around her. But since she had to sacrifice her gift in order to save her life, Aurora ended up just as a pretty little bubblehead who fell in love with the first man she saw, then cried endlessly when told she couldn't see him again.

Disney Duster wrote:And I thought it might be "my pet". Pretty good joke, I just like calling things by their official names. Then again, me and my freind like to refer to Flotsam and Jetsam as "the poopsies". We even go as far as to name them individually "Poopsie 1" and "Poopsie 2".

Escapay

I promise I'm not just trying to get a higher post count. Do you mean to say that "merry" would be like "in good condition" and "weather" would be like "mind forces"? And is it something you're realizing, or this can be found in many sources and references (you wouldn't have to provide any, just let me know).

And thank you for the laugh. It's an honor to amuse the master of humor on UD!

Disney Duster wrote:I promise I'm not just trying to get a higher post count. Do you mean to say that "merry" would be like "in good condition" and "weather" would be like "mind forces"? And is it something you're realizing, or this can be found in many sources and references (you wouldn't have to provide any, just let me know).

Well, you've got the merry rigth, and as for the weather, it was something I realized on my own throughout viewings of the film. I never bothered reading interpretations of Sleeping Beauty, which is likely why my idea of Merriweather's gift is different from what other sources say.

Disney Duster wrote:And thank you for the laugh. It's an honor to amuse the master of humor on UD!

Hehe, I'm not the master of humor on UD, that honor belongs to the Loomis.

Escapay

Well, Escapay, I'd say this thread is now more the "Smartest Fairy" Debate.

It's great discussing something with someone who will delve deeply and think about things, even if it's not one of your favorite films. Re-thinking, I don't think Merryweather is the smartest/wisest of the Three Good Fairies. I think it is actually the "leader", Flora. Even though Merryweather pointed out how Flora's original plan to turn the princess into a flower was terrible, it was Flora who actually came up with the succesful(for the most part) plan to hide Aurora in the woods. Merryweather wanted to use magic, which would have unwisely ruined the plan, but Flora took away the wands, which was best for the plan.

Had they stuck to Flora's original magicless plan, their fairy dust would not have revealed their hideout. But it is Merryweather who breaks the plan by getting the wands. Flora still proves to be wiser, though, by making sure they seal any place where their fairy dust might escape. This new plan using magic would even have worked, had it not been for Merryweather, who started the dress color war that revealed their hideout.

When Aurora falls under the spell, Flora once again comes up with a plan, this time to "put them all to sleep, until Rose awakens". Then, it is she who makes the connection between Prince Phillip and the man Aurora met. The other fairies could have too, but the fact is that Flora did. When they discover Phillip is with Maleficent, Flora is the one determined to go to her domain, despite Fauna's protest. When they rescue Phillip, Flora aids him with the magical weapons he needs to defeat Maleficent, instead of trying to turn her into a "fat, old hop-toad" like Merryweather suggested(probably knowing it was unwise, but still), which wouldn't work since their magic can only do good.

I'll give that Merryweather is the one who altered the curse and saved Aurora from death...but that's about it.

Merryweather saved Aurora from death. Yipee. The others would have done that, too, if Maleficent had come before them. It just so happened that Merryweather was the only one left, and her gift wasn't that great, anyway.... but whatever.

I'd have to agree with you about Flora. She did seem to be the smartest, which is probably why she was the leader of the group, or seemed to be.

Fauna.... was quiet. I don't really have much of an opinion about Fauna.

I have another question concerning Sleeping Beauty. In the movie her dress (the one that the fairies made for her birthday) is blue right? But all or most of the mercandice show Aurora with a pink dress. Why is that? Is it because pink is considered to be a 'girl' colour and it would be more appealing to female consumers? But still if a character wears a specific color you get to like that one because you have known the character with that color pattern and something different would strike as odd or unsuitable. What do you think?

I'll throw in my two cents if I may. For the most recent question, I belive it is, to an extent, because Cinderella's dress is blue. Many times at WDW I have had guests come to me wanting to buy the "Cinderella" whatever it may be, when it's actually Sleeping Beauty, just in the blue dress. So from a recognition standpoint, I personally think pink is easier.

MouseHouse55 wrote:I'll throw in my two cents if I may. For the most recent question, I belive it is, to an extent, because Cinderella's dress is blue. Many times at WDW I have had guests come to me wanting to buy the "Cinderella" whatever it may be, when it's actually Sleeping Beauty, just in the blue dress. So from a recognition standpoint, I personally think pink is easier.

What's annoying, though, is that Cinderella's gown isn't blue, as you can see in Disney Duster's avatar above. It's silver. If Disney were to put Cindy in the appropriate color, then they could have Aurora in blue and not have average Joes confused. They only seem to make the ballgown silver when it's for a very expensive art collectible like a Walt Disney Classics Collection sculpture. For mass merchandise, though, they always make it sky blue. Soon we'll be seeing Alice in red like in my signature banner because people who don't watch Disney movies will think she's Cinderella due to the blue dress (I've actually seen someone make that mistake, scarily enough).

Yes because we all know that Cinderella is 10 years old

(mabey they got confused because she has blond hair and wears an apron)

Anyway, I think aurora's stupidity was caused by being raised by idiots who could have never tought her math, reading or writing. not because of her birth gifts. In the early drafts fro the movie Merryweather's gift was the "gentellness of spring rain" so it couldn't have been her job to give aurora some intelligence (to get that she probably would have been tought by a tutor in the castle)