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500 Things To Do In Your Time Saved From Watching A PAL Film

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:48 am
by sethn172
Howdy!

This is based off a similar post on the worst film ever made, at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060666/board/flat/10111223. (free and safe registration required) But this will focus on what to do in the time saved after watching a PAL DVD, VHS, LD, etc., thanks to the 4% speed-up. I hope this post stays!

So, here we go!

500. Sleep :zzz:

sethn172

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:42 am
by 2099net
In the case of Titanic, I thank the lord it was approx 6.5 minutes shorter! :)

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:27 am
by drnilescrane
I hate the speed up - It totaly wrecks the tempo of Tevin Campbells songs in A Goofy Movie.

I'm lucky I baught Fantasia from Region 1.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:34 am
by Disney-Fan
In my honest opinion it really isn't all that noticeable.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:37 am
by Frozone
Okay, since no one seems to get the point, I'll just keep on going then...
499. Call your best friend who started watching the movie the same time you did, only in NTSC, and spoil the ending for him/her.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:26 am
by Enchantress
Frozone wrote:Okay, since no one seems to get the point, I'll just keep on going then...
499. Call your best friend who started watching the movie the same time you did, only in NTSC, and spoil the ending for him/her.
:lol:

498. Buy another dvd from the internet, to replace the one you just watched :wink:

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:44 am
by calvin101
I never knew this however it would explain why when I watched Britney's 'Crossroads' (not Disney but I can't say I've noticed it in Disney films) one of the adverts has 'Overprotected' and it sounds like they speeded up subtly, not so it sounds stupid, just so that it sounds a little different.

What is actually sped up...and more to the point, why?

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:12 am
by ThiagoPE
The speed happen because the film in NTSC have 30 frames, and pal have 25 per second, this diference make the film play in pal 4% faster as NTSC
for example a movie that have 1:30 in ntsc, the same movie will have 1:26 of total running time in pal

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:03 pm
by sethn172
Enchantress wrote:
Frozone wrote:Okay, since no one seems to get the point, I'll just keep on going then...
499. Call your best friend who started watching the movie the same time you did, only in NTSC, and spoil the ending for him/her.
:lol:

498. Buy another dvd from the internet, to replace the one you just watched :wink:
Howdy!

497. Post more tasks in the "500 Things To Do" post.

sethn172

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:18 pm
by calvin101
ThiagoPE wrote:The speed happen because the film in NTSC have 30 frames, and pal have 25 per second, this diference make the film play in pal 4% faster as NTSC
for example a movie that have 1:30 in ntsc, the same movie will have 1:26 of total running time in pal
I assume that when shown at the cinema this does not apply? That's kind of weird to think that we're never seeing the film as it's intended and 4% seems quite a lot! What if you were watching a DVD with someone and you spent the whole time building the confidence to make a move and then the movie ended and you lost the nerve. Film companies could be responsible for thousands of lonely hearts.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:25 pm
by ThiagoPE
for the cinema don“t aplly, just aplly for home video

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:47 pm
by deathie mouse
Thiago, o meu amigo, ti tenhes os numeiros un poquinho descalabrados :-D

most film is shot (and projected :-P) at 24 frames per second. Color NTSC runs at 60 Hz (59.94Hz to be exact :-P) and PAL runs at 50 Hz (Hz = interlaced fields, or "half frames")

When a 24fps movie is transfered to PAL, to make things easy and pretty, the film is run slighly faster (4%) at 25 frames per second and the frames are divided into the 50 fields (the "half frames", a frame would be composed of 2 interlaced fields)

If they didnt run the film at 25fps they would have to repeat a frame every second (24 becomes 24 +1 repeat = 25) and that would do a very noticeable jerky motion happening once every second, 60 times a minute, 3600 times and hour; nobody could last that long watching movement jerking one time a second ;)

This 24fps -> 25fps results in the movie running (being played back) 4% faster but trhe motion is perfectly smooth and totally fluid cus there are NO frame repeats. Great for action and animation :-D

Some people are more sensitive to sound pitch changes than others and might notice the change in sound readily while others might not.
(I even see the difference in visual speed slightly :-D)

When a 24 fps film is transfered to NTSC's 60 Hz, it's split into 48 fields and the fields are repeated in a 2:3 cadence which means a field of every second frame is repeated again (or something like that :-P) (if you wana see an illustrated example search the web, "3:2 pulldown", it's easier to understand watching illustrations than me exaplaining it ;)) bringing the number of fields from 48 up to 60 to match the NTSC 60 Hz speed.

When watching film DVDs on a progressive 60hz NTSC display, the full 24fps are recuperated and doubled, and then every other frame is repeated one more time bringing the frames up to 60 from the doubled 24.

These repeats/jerkiness then happen 12 times a second, 720 times a minute, 43,200 times an hour so they look smooth enough for most casual viewers to go mostly unoticed but if you look closely you could detect them (i use Leslie Caron twirling around redstripe shirted Gene Kelly in An American In Paris as an example :-P)

Since the repeats "convert" the 24 fps directly to 60Hz without changing the time space continuum :twisted: the film stays 24->24 in speed and runs at normal rate. (Actually it runs at 23.976 fps cus Color NTSC is really 59.94 Hz but i'd think NTSC's 0.1% slowdown would be very hard to detect :-D except for someone that has ultraperfect pitch ;)

496. After watching Titanic, thinking for 6 minutes how great it woulda looked in Blu-ray. :twisted:

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:18 am
by ThiagoPE
deathie mouse wrote:Thiago, o meu amigo, ti tenhes os numeiros un poquinho descalabrados :-D
WOW i did not knoed that before, thanks for the explanation deathie, you understand a lot of these things.