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Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:29 am
by Disney's Divinity
1. The Ultimate Groove Edition ~ This 2-disc DVD is the only one I own, and I'm grateful it also has the best cover. I still need to pick up a couple of films on Blu-ray.
2. Villains Cover
3. VHS ~ This and the villains cover are the only ones where Yzma is displayed prominently in a way she deserves (without looking bad, as in the Blu-ray's case).
4. Heroes Cover ~ I'm not really a fan of Kuzko. At least The Ultimate Groove Edition is gold/bronze-looking and has a certain vibe.
5. Blu-ray
6. New Groove Edition
7. UK 2-Movie Collection ~ So random the way Kronk is thrown behind him like that. Is he giving Kuzko a backrub? :lol:

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:18 pm
by D82
Here are three more covers for The Emperor's New Groove; the DMC tin packaging and a couple of 2-movie collection sets from Brazil and Germany, respectively:

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There are also the Zavvi steelbook and the French slipcover, but they're very similar to other covers already posted. The former is like The Ultimate Groove Edition, but with a different border; and the latter is the same as the Heroes cover, but with a different background:

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The French DVD is also the same as the US one, but with a small difference. Can you spot it?

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Exactly, they've added the squirrel on Kronk's shoulder. I wouldn't mind that addition if it didn't cover Pacha's village in the background.

By the way, I've noticed you've skipped Dinosaur, farerb. But, yeah, it's debatable whether that film should be considered part of the canon or not, so I understand its exclusion. And it only had three or four covers anyway.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:20 am
by Farerb
D82 wrote: By the way, I've noticed you've skipped Dinosaur, farerb. But, yeah, it's debatable whether that film should be considered part of the canon or not, so I understand its exclusion. And it only had three or four covers anyway.
I found only two covers for Dinosaur so I thought maybe I'll do one post with all the films with one or two covers only. Though I know that you can find more covers than me so if there are more covers for Dinosaur then I'll do it next week.
By the way, thank you for your contribution for this thread with all the extra covers you find for each film :)

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:17 pm
by D82
farerb wrote:I found only two covers for Dinosaur so I thought maybe I'll do one post with all the films with one or two covers only. Though I know that you can find more covers than me so if there are more covers for Dinosaur then I'll do it next week.
Oh, OK. I guess the covers you found are the VHS/DVD and the Collector's Edition, right? I've also found a couple different ones, plus the Heroes cover, that uses the same pose Aladar has on the VHS/DVD. So, that's 5 covers, but it's still not much. I don't know, maybe you can pair it with Atlantis next week, which I guess will have more or less the same number of covers.
farerb wrote:By the way, thank you for your contribution for this thread with all the extra covers you find for each film :)
You're welcome. :)
Marce82 wrote:Its a bit of speculation on my part...

But Disney makes a big deal when Feature Animation collaborates with ANYONE...

When FA collaborated with Imagineering to create Philharmagic.... BIG announcement. When FA collaborated w consumer products for the Animator's Doll line.... BIG announcement. I don't know why they keep their departments all isolated.

I know for sure Disney Store Europe creates it's own artwork.
Yeah, it's a shame the different departments don't collaborate with each other more. The results could be so much better if they did.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:30 pm
by D82
Here's my ranking for The Emperor's New Groove:

1. The Ultimate Groove Edition: This is my favorite too. I think it was a great idea to make it all gold with Incan motifs, like Kuzco's palace in the movie. I also like Kuzco's pose here, as a llama but with the "crown" on his head revealing he's the Emperor of the title, and he's perfectly drawn. I have the UK version because this edition, like many other collector's editions from Disney, wasn't released in Spain.

2. DVD-VHS: I also have the Spanish VHS with this cover. It's quite good too, in my opinion. Kuzco's pose is similar to the one in The Ultimate Groove Edition, also with his crown. The characters are just posing and looking at the viewer, but they're well drawn and the layout is nice. I'm no sure if Kronk is completely on-model, though, but nobody looks too bad. I also like that we can see Pacha's village in the background.

3. Heroes Cover: I agree with JeanGreyForever and Disney Duster, this time the Heroes cover not only isn't bad, but it also suits the film quite well.

4. DMC tin packaging: Another cover with the main characters posing for the camera, but again they're well drawn and the arrangement is good.

5. New Groove Edition: I think this one's OK, but the drawing is slightly worse than in the DVD/VHS (especially the parts modified from the original poses) and the composition not as good either. It also gives the impression that the lower half of Kronk's body is missing.

6. Villains Cover: I'm not a big fan of the villains covers, but Yzma looks quite good here.

7. 2-Movie Collection (Brazil): It's not too interesting or well drawn, but at least they created some new art for this cover.

8. Blu-ray: Though I haven't liked previous 2-movie Blu-ray combos much, at least they made a bit of an effort and tried to create a single composition using elements form both movies, but here they just used the art from the individual movies. I guess it was a bit more difficult to do that this time because the two movies don't have the same protagonist, but they could've done something more creative.

9. 2-Movie Collection (Germany): I ranked the Blu-ray a bit higher just because it's a bit more elegant, but this one's not much worse and I like the addition of Kronk's love interest, because as far as I remember, she was quite important in the sequel.

10. 2-Movie Collection (UK): This is better than other European 2-Movie Collection covers because in this case at least the two characters (I've noticed there are always two characters in a 2-movie pack and three in a 3-movie one) are the protagonists of each of the movies, plus they used good clipart this time. But it's still my least favorite of the covers because of how randomly they've placed the characters and how poorly they've chosen what to include in the framing (I looks as if Kuzco's right hand had been cut off).
Disney's Divinity wrote:7. UK 2-Movie Collection ~ So random the way Kronk is thrown behind him like that. Is he giving Kuzko a backrub? :lol:
:lol: It's true, it looks as if he was doing just that!

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:36 pm
by JeanGreyForever
farerb wrote:
D82 wrote: By the way, I've noticed you've skipped Dinosaur, farerb. But, yeah, it's debatable whether that film should be considered part of the canon or not, so I understand its exclusion. And it only had three or four covers anyway.
I found only two covers for Dinosaur so I thought maybe I'll do one post with all the films with one or two covers only. Though I know that you can find more covers than me so if there are more covers for Dinosaur then I'll do it next week.
By the way, thank you for your contribution for this thread with all the extra covers you find for each film :)
After the official DAC films are done, will you ever consider more films to add to this thread? Such as the Pixar films, the live-action/animation hybrids like Mary Poppins or Enchanted, the stop-motion films like James and the Giant Peach and The Nightmare Before Christmas, or even unofficial "Disney" films like Anastasia?

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:38 pm
by Farerb
JeanGreyForever wrote: After the official DAC films are done, will you ever consider more films to add to this thread? Such as the Pixar films, the live-action/animation hybrids like Mary Poppins or Enchanted, the stop-motion films like James and the Giant Peach and The Nightmare Before Christmas, or even unofficial "Disney" films like Anastasia?
Yes. I thought starting with Pixar and Live Action and then we'll see...

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:42 pm
by Farerb
D82 wrote:
farerb wrote:I found only two covers for Dinosaur so I thought maybe I'll do one post with all the films with one or two covers only. Though I know that you can find more covers than me so if there are more covers for Dinosaur then I'll do it next week.
Oh, OK. I guess the covers you found are the VHS/DVD and the Collector's Edition, right? I've also found a couple different ones, plus the Heroes cover, that uses the same pose Aladar has on the VHS/DVD. So, that's 5 covers, but it's still not much. I don't know, maybe you can pair it with Atlantis next week, which I guess will have more or less the same number of covers.
I'll do Dinosaur next week. Combining that with Atlantis is a good idea.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:46 pm
by JeanGreyForever
farerb wrote:
D82 wrote: Oh, OK. I guess the covers you found are the VHS/DVD and the Collector's Edition, right? I've also found a couple different ones, plus the Heroes cover, that uses the same pose Aladar has on the VHS/DVD. So, that's 5 covers, but it's still not much. I don't know, maybe you can pair it with Atlantis next week, which I guess will have more or less the same number of covers.
I'll do Dinosaur next week. Combining that with Atlantis is a good idea.
Atlantis had quite a few home video covers or at least more than some of the films that come later in. If you don't mind breaking up the chronological continuity you could wait for Home on the Range which barely had any covers and for good reason. I imagine it's just the main DVD cover and whatever Heroes or Villains slipcovers exist.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:46 pm
by JeanGreyForever
farerb wrote:
JeanGreyForever wrote: After the official DAC films are done, will you ever consider more films to add to this thread? Such as the Pixar films, the live-action/animation hybrids like Mary Poppins or Enchanted, the stop-motion films like James and the Giant Peach and The Nightmare Before Christmas, or even unofficial "Disney" films like Anastasia?
Yes. I thought starting with Pixar and Live Action and then we'll see...
When you say live-action does that include purely live-action films like Pirates of the Caribbean, Narnia, the live-action remakes, etc?

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:52 pm
by Farerb
I had a guess that Atlantis might have more covers than I know. I'll just separate them. I don't want to pair Atlantis with Home on the Range because I already had plans for Home on the Range... Dinosaur can be by itself, even if it has few covers.

Regarding Live Actions - I haven't thought about it, there are a lot of films and I'm not sure how many covers each one has.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:47 am
by JeanGreyForever
farerb wrote:I had a guess that Atlantis might have more covers than I know. I'll just separate them. I don't want to pair Atlantis with Home on the Range because I already had plans for Home on the Range... Dinosaur can be by itself, even if it has few covers.

Regarding Live Actions - I haven't thought about it, there are a lot of films and I'm not sure how many covers each one has.
There are hundreds of live-action films but the vast majority of them, particularly the ones from Walt's era and before the 90s will only have one or two covers. Maybe you could just go with the main ones since I imagine most people won't even know the majority of the films.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:11 am
by Farerb
JeanGreyForever wrote:
farerb wrote:I had a guess that Atlantis might have more covers than I know. I'll just separate them. I don't want to pair Atlantis with Home on the Range because I already had plans for Home on the Range... Dinosaur can be by itself, even if it has few covers.

Regarding Live Actions - I haven't thought about it, there are a lot of films and I'm not sure how many covers each one has.
There are hundreds of live-action films but the vast majority of them, particularly the ones from Walt's era and before the 90s will only have one or two covers. Maybe you could just go with the main ones since I imagine most people won't even know the majority of the films.
Yeah, I'll probably do the notable ones and not everything.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:47 am
by Marce82
Hey Everyone,

So similar to Tarzan, the TENG covers may not have the most interesting layouts or concepts, a lot of elements get recycled, but they are generally very well executed. There is only one exception to that.... I will point it out in my ranking.
D82, I agree with most (if not all) your observations about the covers.

Here we go!

1) Ultimate Groove 2 disc: Great concept, great execution. Looks like engraved gold, it links to the art direction of the film, I LOVE the headpiece on the llama... not loving the placement of the title. Really breaks up the llama figure. Oh well. Still great.

2) DMC tin: I really like this one. All characters on model, well rendered, fun layout. I would buy this cover. This maybe should be my #1.... cause this is a fun, colorful film, and the secondary characters are NOT secondary at all. They should be on the cover...

3) Heroes: I will repeat what others have said. This concept works for this film.... most of the original posters were just human Kuzco. The clip art here is recycled... but it works.

4) VHS: It's a nice cover.... I have some mild layout issues with it... cause that hill on top of Kronk's shoulder... well.... it looks like it's on Kronk's shoulder. The scales don't make much sense... but characters are generally well drawn and rendered. But d82, I think you are right, Kronk isn't 100% on model.

5) New Groove ed: layout is ok... not great. Something about the villains' poses says "saturday morning cartoon"... and it doesn't quite fit. They also forgot to shade Izma's bottle. The background looks like a random haze... why is Kuzco looking in that direction? Characters are mostly well drawn... except: WHAT IS UP WITH IZMA'S LEFT HAND??? Did she get in trouble with the mob and they broke all her fingers???

6) Villains: it's a great drawing of Izma. It's low on the list cause I wouldnt buy this cover. Again, I think a villains-themed line doesnt work for home video releases.

7) UK 2-movie: It's ok... it's a strange layout, and it looks like the right side of Kronk's body is missing. Kuzco looks great, but recycled from the original poster. Kronk looks pretty good. Overall: Meh.

8) Blu ray: this is where they dropped the ball. The upper half looks good... yes, mostly recycled, but characters are well drawn and rendered, mostly on-model (except Kronk, see comments about the VHS). But the bottom half is a serious mess. The shading is sloppy and doesn't match the top half, Kuzco is VERY off-model, the poses are weak... Izma's coloring is off... the relational scale is off... just a mess.


Pardon my ignorance... but the UK Ultimate Groove... what is the difference with the American release, other than the outline of the title card and the fact that it is placed a little lower???

I'm not going to do all the international covers, but that Brazilian one looks GOD AWFUL.

And yeah... Dinosaur.... probably shouldn't be part of the cannon. It is also one of the very few disney movies I have never seen. And I'm in no rush.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:48 am
by Marce82
Wait: did we skip Fantasia 2000???? I don't think we did it together with the original one...

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:42 am
by Farerb
Marce82 wrote: And yeah... Dinosaur.... probably shouldn't be part of the cannon. It is also one of the very few disney movies I have never seen. And I'm in no rush.
Well I had a chance to see it on Netflix a long time ago, but it's not the kind of film I'll ever watch again. It has good things in it, but overall it was quite dull.
Marce82 wrote:Wait: did we skip Fantasia 2000???? I don't think we did it together with the original one...
I regret not putting Fantasia 2000 with the original one cause we already had all of its covers discussed back then except the DVD one where it's on its own. I want to do a single thread with all the films that have only one cover, which are Treasure Planet - Meet the Robinsons and I thought I'd add the single cover of Fantasia 2000 there. But what's everyone's opinion on the matter?

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 am
by Marce82
I think F2000 also had a single dic blu ray release in Europe...

I say we continue on this thread and maybe give only half a week for single cover art movies. Some might have foreign covers!

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:36 am
by blackcauldron85
I don't know, should we rank the single-covers against each other? (I know I don't post in here too often but I always lurk!)

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:43 pm
by Marce82
Well, the original intent of this thread was to COMMENT and compare cover art. I think I can be blamed for the the whole "ranking" thing... early on, we weren't doing that.

So I say we still comment, even if it's one cover! And again... maybe some of them had international covers...

I personally would like to see the Fantasia 2000 cover(s).... and maybe we'll do them more often than one-per-week.

Re: Comparing Home Releases Cover Arts

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:57 pm
by JeanGreyForever
Fantasia 2000 had these four individual covers which I could find right off the bat. They're all pretty similar but that's applied to films like Tarzan and TENG as well.
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Treasure Planet has the Zaavi steelbook cover which is different from the main DVD/Blu-Ray one. There might be more international covers but it does have more than one unique cover at least.
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