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PatrickvD wrote:He kind of is yes.

Planes is his Phantom Menace.

Did I mention Lasseter's a backstabbing hypocritical little shit?

jazzflower92 wrote:

I always wonder why no one ever complains about the other studios not doing hand drawn animation but Disney is expected to do it. I mean Katzenburg discontinued hand drawn animation at DreamWorks but he is never bombarded with being asked to bring it back. . Why is it only Disney being asked but not the others? Or even better why hasn't there been any complaints about Warner Brothers not doing a hand drawn animated film in a long time?

DreamWorks' hand-drawn films were the product of a time when every studio wanted to cash-in on Disney's own success, which unfortunately meant copying Disney's films bit by bit. The only really successful hand-drawn film to come out of DreamWorks was The Prince of Egypt, but those films couldn't give this new studio their own identity. Once they found their niche with Shrek, and when their next few hand-drawns bombed, there was no turning back.

Warner Bros. have never taken much of their animated features seriously, even those starring the Looney Tunes. The failure of Back in Action was just one factor that kept Bugs Bunny off of TV for almost a decade. For some such as Iron Giant, Osmosis Jones, or The Powerpuff Girls Movie, those films suffered from poor marketing campaigns, and in the case of PPGs, ruined Cartoon Network's chance to compete with Nickelodeon on a theatrical scale. Those films found success on video and TV, and their respective filmmakers found success elsewhere. (Brad Bird, as we know, directed two Oscar-winning movies for Pixar.)

Disney, on the other hand, has had such an unquestioned lock in animated features for decades, even during their bleaker periods. Many cartoon studios didn't dare to challenge them, because the few that tried failed. Yet when artists considered joining animation, the first place they'd always look to was Disney. Parents taking kids to the latest Disney movie has been an American tradition. Even today, I come across folks who still assume all the latest animated features are Disney/Pixar.
That is why it was so disappointing back in 2004 when Disney threw their hand-drawn movies under a bus. People WANT Disney to do great things, but Disney tends to distract themselves from greatness.
They HAVE been improving with their CGI efforts, but they're now up against at least four other competitors, all of whom are doing consistently well with their brands of storytelling.

DisneyJedi wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:He kind of is yes.

Planes is his Phantom Menace.

Did I mention Lasseter's a backstabbing hypocritical little shit?

Difference Planes is a spin off from Cars and doesn't have anything to do with the story from Cars.

Yeah, and Lasseter loves to crackle evilly into the night while dining on puppies/sarcasm

Well, I guess it doesn't matter at this point because I hope HE gets the boot and stranded in the wilderness.

DisneyJedi wrote:Well, I guess it doesn't matter at this point because I hope HE gets the boot and stranded in the wilderness.

I don't care what any of you say about what I have to say. I'm sick and tired of being lied to all the time. What particularly angers me about this news is that I have a friend who plans on making a career with animation. In fact, there are plenty of aspiring animators, some of which plan to do animation, mainly the hand drawn stuff I'm sure.

DisneyJedi wrote:I don't care what any of you say about what I have to say. I'm sick and tired of being lied to all the time. What particularly angers me about this news is that I have a friend who plans on making a career with animation. In fact, there are plenty of aspiring animators, some of which plan to do animation, mainly the hand drawn stuff I'm sure.

You should really get into meditation. Or read up on what's happening in Egypt or North-Korea to put these things that 'anger' you in perspective.

Boy, convenient everybody missed the Tweet I posted earlier where Eric Goldberg admitted to a Paperman-like feature in development, which is basically the next step in keeping hand-drawn animation alive.

Also, I'm so tired of repeating this. The Princess and the Frog didn't do better, because it had a title that was off-putting to most boys, not because it opened a week before Avatar. Considering Disney turned off half their demographic by putting "Princess" in the title, its gross is pretty impressive, when you get down to it.

And Winnie the Pooh would have done about the same numbers in any release date. With Disney marketing Pooh so much to the toddler crowd over the last couple of decades, children over six already start feeling too old for it and would not have seen it. Even the animators themselves stated this when the film was announced.

DisneyJedi wrote:Well, I guess it doesn't matter at this point because I hope HE gets the boot and stranded in the wilderness.

Or hire Captain Falcon and give John Lasseter a mighty falcon punch. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAL5VyQTMQ

Ooh I'm so wicked, really I am.

frankf3 wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote: Yeah? Well, that probably wouldn't have happened if Disney had shown they actually CARED about hand-drawn's future instead of pitting their 2D animated princess film against 'Pocahontas in Space'! Hell, it probably wouldn't have been made as a CG feature or renamed as Frozen if Tangled were still called Rapunzel!

I don't think we can use Avatar as an excuse for Princess and the Frog being a box office disappointment. Alvin and the Chipmunks 2 and Sherlock Holmes came out the week after Avatar and where box office successes.

Sherlock wouldn't be a good example as it was success for for having Robert Dowry Jr in it. He's bound to make any movie become a success.

Super Aurora wrote:He's bound to make any movie become a success.

They should put him in a hand-drawn film then.

PatrickvD wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote:I don't care what any of you say about what I have to say. I'm sick and tired of being lied to all the time. What particularly angers me about this news is that I have a friend who plans on making a career with animation. In fact, there are plenty of aspiring animators, some of which plan to do animation, mainly the hand drawn stuff I'm sure.

You should really get into meditation. Or read up on what's happening in Egypt or North-Korea to put these things that 'anger' you in perspective.

He can't grasp nor can understand such real life issues/concepts. They pale in comparison life or death issue of hand-drawn's fate!! To him, Disney IS his life, his essence, and is the most important thing EVAR in da WORLD!!!111 ^____^ If you take Disney/ hand-drawn away from him it's equivalent of pulling the plug.

estefan wrote:Boy, convenient everybody missed the Tweet I posted earlier where Eric Goldberg admitted to a Paperman-like feature in development, which is basically the next step in keeping hand-drawn animation alive.

Also, I'm so tired of repeating this. The Princess and the Frog didn't do better, because it had a title that was off-putting to most boys, not because it opened a week before Avatar. Considering Disney turned off half their demographic by putting "Princess" in the title, its gross is pretty impressive, when you get down to it.

And Winnie the Pooh would have done about the same numbers in any release date. With Disney marketing Pooh so much to the toddler crowd over the last couple of decades, children over six already start feeling too old for it and would not have seen it. Even the animators themselves stated this when the film was announced.

FUCKING THIS!

TsWade2 wrote: Ooh I'm so wicked, really I am.

No you're not.

enigmawing wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:He's bound to make any movie become a success.

They should put him in a hand-drawn film then.

Watch as the animated movie become Lion king level success and he takes home 50 million while everyone one else gets 5 million or less.


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jazzflower92 wrote:I always wonder why no one ever complains about the other studios not doing hand drawn animation but Disney is expected to do it. I mean Katzenburg discontinued hand drawn animation at DreamWorks but he is never bombarded with being asked to bring it back. . Why is it only Disney being asked but not the others? Or even better why hasn't there been any complaints about Warner Brothers not doing a hand drawn animated film in a long time?

Because Disney pioneered hand-drawn animaton and made such history with it. They took it to the level and detail they did. It is also synonymous with the kinds of movies they made, usually from stories and books, so hand-drawn fits with the illustration mentality of those.

Super Aurora wrote:

TsWade2 wrote: Ooh I'm so wicked, really I am.

No you're not. Just emotionally stupid.

No he's not! Don't say things that mean!

Don´t know if this has been asked but...

Do you think Disney makes the worst choices for their traditional animation so that they don´t live up to expectations and keep pushing CGI?

The Princess and the Frog

You may like it or not but there´s not denying the movie fails in so many levels. And that for a Disney princess story is just not right. All previous films were done with a lot of care and this one isn´t.

Winnie Pooh

Who came with the idea of making this movie?

If Disney really wanted to succeed they should have chose a story other than this.

I mean, if they wanted to do a Winnie Pooh movie they could have but much later on when they had done one or more hand drawn animated movies that were box office hits.

To me these were very poor choices.

Sotiris wrote:

Q: Steve, do you know whether Lasseter has a say on whether the studio produces more hand-drawn films or is he just following Iger's orders?

Steve Hulett: What I've been told by Disney staffers is, Mr. Lasseter has indicated he's not interested in pushing more 2D animated features. Now, this has been told to me by people inside and yes, it's hearsay. And Mr. Lasseter can always change his mind. But let's look at cold reality: Frozen started life as a hand-drawn feature, was temporarily shelved, then, when Tangled performed well, moved forward as a CG feature. That should tell you something.

Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... n-hat.html

That's when I realized 2D at Disney was over as well. It was surprising that some people tried to push Disney's excuse of "finally solving the story issues" as the reason it was revived so quickly.

DC Fan wrote:The Princess and the Frog

You may like it or not but there´s not denying the movie fails in so many levels. And that for a Disney princess story is just not right. All previous films were done with a lot of care and this one isn´t.

There's no denying that Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and Pocahontas also fail on many levels, so I don't think TP&TF is an exception.

And, while Disney Jedi and TsWade2 continue to prove they are easy targets, I don't get why personal attacks against them are somehow less against the rules, personally.

Yes, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and Pocahontas have faults in them.

But still, they were better crafted in one way or another:

Sleeping Beauty had the medieval tapestry art going for it while Cinderella used much more commercial songs so that Disney could benefit from them.

So, in those ways you can tell the time spent and careful attention to them. While The Princess and the Frog (in my opinion) had too many songs (many of them not very good) that were also introduced one right after the other at certain point, the characters aren´t interesting/memorable and when the plot moves to the swamp all goes downhill from there.

Still, even if you agree with me or not regarding The Princess and the Frog you´ll at least understand (or try) what I meant to say about the quality/care put on SB, Cinderella and Pocahontas.

Also, with the exception of SB both Cinderella and Pocahontas were box office hits.

At least Wade and I don't live under bridges, like some trolls here.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

Sotiris wrote: Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... n-hat.html

That's when I realized 2D at Disney was over as well. It was surprising that some people tried to push Disney's excuse of "finally solving the story issues" as the reason it was revived so quickly.

John Lasseter is a coward! I want him fired! How can he break his promise for more hand drawn animation? He's a freaking coward. And I don't care if coward is a cowboy name, I can say whatever I want. Because it's true. He better shape up after the next six upcoming CGI films or there will be serious consequences.

DC Fan wrote:the characters aren´t interesting/memorable

I don’t see that as a fact. I also don’t think Cinderella/Pocahontas/SB’s bright spots make their storytelling failures any less apparent. They were all financially successful, but I wouldn’t say TP&TF flopped by any means and there’s no denying TP&TF was released in a much more severe time than any of those films. Hand-drawn films had been out of vogue for nearly a decade and the Disney brand name was complete crap to most people, neither of which was the case when those three films were released. (I would also point out that ‘Cinderella,’ ‘Sleeping Beauty,’ and ‘Rapunzel’ are all more easily identifiable/popular stories in general than ‘The Frog Prince,’ even if TP&TF wasn’t a completely disfigured version of that story.)

TsWade2 wrote:John Lasseter is a coward! I want him fired!

He won't be.

TsWade2 wrote:He better shape up after the next six upcoming CGI films or there will be serious consequences.

Will there?