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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:00 am
by supertalies
Well, everybody has another opinion about this movie :lol:
But guys, don't start a war because of this...
f*****g trailer!
I think everybody is a litlle bit right. She isn't always on-model, but I still think she looks OK, not on her best but still...
Maybe because of the light and effect, or maybe because I love the charaters and can't wait to see them again (and Ariel's mum).
But I have to admit ,I don't know very much about animation :lol: .

:tlm: :ariel: :tlm: :ariel:

Re: The Little Mermaid III: Ariel's Beginning

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:06 am
by bruno_wbt
I think that she looks gorgeous in the trailer, just look at that pic:


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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:09 am
by Nandor
You know what I think is odd?
The sneak peak looks so different from the trailer, but they used the sneak peak-version of Ariel to use as the background for the website... Could mean that version is the one in the movie. At least I hope so, the trailer-version looks horrible. Just look at the hair! That's not hair, that's some bubbly goo...

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:35 am
by Ariel'sprince
Well,her hair in the music club seems a little odd but still she is beautiful,look at the picture bruno_wbt posted.
And when i think about it,Cinderella does seems off-model and a little odd in Cinderella III but still.
Anyway Ariel is pretty,there is something about the animation that reminds of a TV series but it's still good.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:51 am
by wrestling_stat
Quick Question: How do we know who is off model? I don't understand that whole talk of "off-model". Could someone explain it to me? Thanks.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:57 am
by Aladdin from Agrabah
Jens wrote:Aladdin from Agrabbah, your screencaps do NOT prove your point! Ariel is in totally different poses and on the right screencaps she is drawn nearly correct! In the left screencaps she is seriously off-model!

"...do NOT prove...". Why is it so difficult for you guys to say "From my point of view, your screencaps do NOT prove...". The way you say it -and I'm not referring to you personally, Jens, makes it sound like a statement, a fact, actually, but it's not. It's just a different opinion. The way people see things differ. There is NO right or wrong.

And how does an on-model Ariel look, anyway? Ariel is very different through the first film, and you can see that from the screencaps I and Disney Duster posted.
So, to me, my dear Jens my screencaps DO prove my point.

And I really like Disney Duster he's one of my favourite UDers actually.
But we can't always agree, can we?
We're humans after all! :)

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:21 am
by supertalies
Aladdin from Agrabah wrote:
Jens wrote:Aladdin from Agrabbah, your screencaps do NOT prove your point! Ariel is in totally different poses and on the right screencaps she is drawn nearly correct! In the left screencaps she is seriously off-model!
"...do NOT prove...". Why is it so difficult for you guys to say "From my point of view, your screencaps do NOT prove...". The way you say it -and I'm not referring to you personally, Jens, makes it sound like a statement, a fact, actually, but it's not. It's just a different opinion. The way people see things differ. There is NO right or wrong.

And how does an on-model Ariel look, anyway? Ariel is very different through the first film, and you can see that from the screencaps I and Disney Duster posted.
So, to me, my dear Jens my screencaps DO prove my point.

And I really like Disney Duster he's one of my favourite UDers actually.
But we can't always agree, can we?
We're humans after all! :)
Yes, it's true!
This is what I wanted to say in my last post!
There is NO right or wrong, everybody is a little bit right, Or they think that way!
I've seen some other disney forums and allot of them feature the disscusion about Ariel's Beginning and the animation.
And that's normal don't you all think?
This is my opinion and I hope I didn't offended (?) anyone.
I really like all of you so..

By the way, I've seen your post Disney Duster (the one with the screencaps) on ALLOT of other Disney/ Mermaid forums.
Is it you Disney Duster? :wink:

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:27 am
by Ariel'sprince
supertalies wrote: I've seen some other disney forums and allot of them feature the disscusion about Ariel's Beginning and the animation.
By the way, I've seen your post Disney Duster (the one with the screencaps on ALLOT of other Disney/ Mermaid forums.
I it you Disney Duster? :wink:[/i]
Yeah,Disney Duster,i"ve seen it,too,do you wirte in Animated News Forum?.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:12 pm
by Jens
I already regret that I posted again :lol:

Oh well...

P.S.: Yes bruno_wbt, that is indeed the only screencap where she looks fine!

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:26 pm
by Ariel'sprince
People-keep in mind that this is a sequel,not an original film,she looks fine to me,in fact,i think she looks wonderful (only Enchanted Tales had on-model character but that's not a sequel,even Cinderella in Cinderella III was pretty off-model).

Re: The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:49 pm
by Disney Duster
Okay, well, first I say that yes, in a way everyone is a little bit right. But if everyone's right, nothing is wrong, and there is something wrong with the animation. If we don't speak up when we have poor quality we won't get better quality. I want my Disney characters to look way better than this. If the shrot stories of Enchanted Tales didn't look this bad, then why can't Disney get it right for their last direct-video sequel of a beloved classic?

Chernabog_Rocks (HAHA the Fairuza Balk was great!), Jens, thank you for agreeing with me. I don't know what Jens does but I know that she knows a lot about animation and may have worked in it. But another person I know who has worked in animation and he said similar things and thinks it's horrible. Me, I draw. So it's seems lots of animation fans are noticing how bad this is, which is why I'm surprised Aladdin from Agrabah doesn't see what we see.

Question for Jens: So, Disney Toon Studios which is no more could have told the outsource what to do? An animator told me the animation may be in Japan. Do you think it's in Japan, and because Japan usually does very still, detailed poses, maybe they're horrible at Disney's less-detailed but better, smoother moving animation, and that's why everything looks so blobby and is stretching all over the place?

But a lot of you are also saying you just want to see the charcaters and what happens to them. Fine, then I guess they pleased you, but maybe you want something more akin to the mermaid you originally fell in love with? Maybe you want to get better quality because you deserve it?

SuperAurora, the animation does matter, maybe even more, to me, because I love Disney for their animaion and designs. The Little Mermaid's a tale that can be told by any other studio. Disney's wonderful animation and designs seperate it from any other version. The story does also need to be good, as well, and...nothing good enough for me so far.

Aladdin from Agrabah, I'm shocked too, because like I said you draw, so I can't see why you don't see what I see. You know you could do much, much better than what these professional animators did. As for our screencap war, the reason I don't think it's opinion is because you did not do the same as I did. I found poses that match the poses of all the other screencaps. In every one Ariel is holding on to something she's behind with just her head popped up and looking in the same direction with a similar, smiling expression with her mouth open. For yours, well, they didn't have similarities like that at all. Do you see that?

I do admit I have not been as nice as I once was. I realized if you're nice and think everything's exceptable, nothing gets changed. I want this to be changed for the better. What really set me of was everyone saying how wonderful this looked. If Ariel doesn't look horrible in everything, she still didn't look wonderful or amazing or even good. She looks okay. And I had to counter everyone's enthusiasm with an equally strong tone.
Aladdin from Agrabah wrote:p.s. The only one who's deluded is someone I know who thinks that Cinderella in "A Twist in Time" was on-model. Well she was beautiful, but she resembled a Barbie doll, not Disney's Cinderella. :P
Every animation fan notices the backgrounds look exactly like the ones from the original, and I think out of all the characters Cinderella is the most on-model by far, probably because they knew she had to be as the focus was on her. But Cinderella still looks more like herself than Ariel. Cinderella looks more like Barbie than Ariel no matter how she's done. Same with Aurora. But the only thing I can think of that makes her look more like Barbie is soemw eird thing with her eyes. But when the animation is so good they can draw scenes exactly like how the ones in the first film were (the flashbacks when Cinderella starts singing), that's on-model and that's top quality and there's no delusion there.

If you want to provide evidence for what you said and we have a little war, I actually wouldn't mind, but what it comes down to is sure, Cinderella doesn't look good all the time, but Ariel's badness is worse.

Oh yea, and you are one of my favorite UDers, too, no matter what. You'll always be awesome. Now why don't you get a plane ticket to wherever the animation studio that's making this is and fix everything?

Unfortunately I wonder if this is the best the animation studio can do. Not the best Disney can do, but the best of the animation studio that would do it for them. Unless they just chose the cheapest one, in which case it is Disney's fault.

Oh yea and supertalies and Ariel'sprince, if it was Little Ariel and Animated News it was me.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:05 pm
by UmbrellaFish
I think we will be seeing at least two Ariels in this movie. One looks pretty young and the other looks close to normal.

It's pretty hard to judge the animation at this point, anyway. Personally, I like it! Even the off-model things! No, not because I'm an Ariel worshiper (God, does that get on my nerves), but because it looks good to me. I really don't like these negative messages here. We never should have started comparing this film to Cinderella 3 because now TLM: 3 is already being dissed after one measly trailer. Just wait till August.

Re: The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:07 pm
by Aladdin from Agrabah
Disney Duster wrote:Oh yea, and you are one of my favorite UDers, too, no matter what.
Thanks.
That is all that really matters to me. :)
TLMIII is just a movie and all we can do is wait till August.

Re: The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:17 am
by Ariel'sprince
Disney Duster wrote:Oh yea and supertalies and Ariel'sprince, if it was Little Ariel and Animated News it was me.
I knew it! (i"m also on Little Ariel Forum).

Re: The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:00 pm
by supertalies
Ariel'sprince wrote:
Disney Duster wrote:Oh yea and supertalies and Ariel'sprince, if it was Little Ariel and Animated News it was me.
I knew it! (i"m also on Little Ariel Forum).
Yea, me too (but I'm more active on this forum),and let me guess, you're Once upon a Dream on the AN Forum!

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:00 pm
by disneystarsfan
one thing that i hope will be on the cover is the music box, it looks really cool!

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:48 pm
by Sky Syndrome
Aladdin from Agrabah wrote:Image
What the heck?? She looks like she fell victim to Joker venom!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_venom
Non-lethal version: The venom causes uncontrollable laughter, but instead of dying, their faces are usually pulled into an unusually large grin.
Heh. :lol:

Love the music box. So beautiful! ^_^

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:15 pm
by Vermin Friends
disneystarsfan wrote:one thing that i hope will be on the cover is the music box, it looks really cool!
Me, too. I'm hoping for something like Melody and Ariel's scene, except with more reasoning, rather than "I WANNA KNOW!" like Melody's. Ariel gave up her life for love, and Melody gave up... well, nothing for a dream. I'm hoping they handle the plot well.

Re: The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:27 am
by Ariel'sprince
supertalies wrote:
Ariel'sprince wrote: I knew it! (i"m also on Little Ariel Forum).
Yea, me too (but I'm more active on this forum),and let me guess, you're Once upon a Dream on the AN Forum!
Yeah,i"m :D,you're on Animated-News,too? what's your user name? :D.

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:09 am
by Ariel'sprince
[quote="Vermin Friends]Ariel gave up her life for love, and Melody gave up... well, nothing for a dream. I'm hoping they handle the plot well.[/quote]
Good point,Ariel had a dream and made if come true but Meldoy... didn't do anything,she didn't even made her dream come true (she wasn't a mermaid like she wanted,she's just made the merpeople and humans be togather again,what they'll do anyway after Morgana died).
Anyway i think that The Little Mermaid II is a stupid movie.