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DisneyJedi wrote:So... Which is less costly and much easier to use to do hand drawn animation, by paper or directly drawing on a tablet?

Well, there are definitely time advantages when it comes to tablet work, and time is money. There's no scanning process, an animator can "flip" through the drawings in real time as they work, and files can be sent to the next steps immediately. I think there was an actual cost issue with the pencils and paper (surprisingly enough) from what I read a while back, although I can cite no source for it. In terms of ease and practicality, I'd say tablet drawing is much easier to do and work with. Once again, while I don't work in the animation industry, I've found from personal experience that I prefer doing tablet work because it gives me flexibility and ease that drawing on paper does not when it comes to editing, redrawing, reworking, cleaning up, etc. And heck, I have really bad eyesight and don't know if I could even really draw anymore on paper. At least not in the same level of detail; I've got a friend that's in the industry and he agrees tablet drawing is much easier simply because you can zoom, in addition to all the other details I mentioned about reworking, etc.

enigmawing wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote:So... Which is less costly and much easier to use to do hand drawn animation, by paper or directly drawing on a tablet?

I think there was an actual cost issue with the pencils and paper (surprisingly enough) from what I read a while back, although I can cite no source for it. In terms of ease and practicality, I'd say tablet drawing is much easier to do and work with.

This was touched on with Waking Sleeping Beauty. They showed a handful on sketches and threw them in a bin. They also mentioned how much it costs them a day

Sorry. Never mind.

Must you always resort to insults straight out of kindergarten?

I found this: http://juliangreenbank.blogspot.com/201 ... n.html?m=1

TsWade2 wrote:I found something that kind of make me change my mind about Iger and Lasseter: http://juliangreenbank.blogspot.com/201 ... n.html?m=1

Sorry but nothing we haven't read before. Just because it's on a blog does not mean it's well written. The 'it's our fault because we didn't go see The Princess and the Frog' argument is old and tired. It was Disney that domed it by marketing TPaTF as something for little girls only. And it was also Disney that lied about the budget.

Leaving us to believe they just messed up and do not care.

Moving on.

So.... Princess and the Frog DIDN'T cost $105 million to make?

DisneyJedi wrote:So.... Princess and the Frog DIDN'T cost $105 million to make?

An anonymous person who allegedly was employed at WDAS during the production of the film said that: "while I was there we were told the budget was $65 million and we came in under budget as well".

PatrickvD wrote:

TsWade2 wrote:I found something that kind of make me change my mind about Iger and Lasseter: http://juliangreenbank.blogspot.com/201 ... n.html?m=1

Sorry but nothing we haven't read before. Just because it's on a blog does not mean it's well written. The 'it's our fault because we didn't go see The Princess and the Frog' argument is old and tired. It was Disney that domed it by marketing TPaTF as something for little girls only. And it was also Disney that lied about the budget.

Leaving us to believe they just messed up and do not care.

Moving on.

Are you saying hand drawn is dead anyway?

TsWade2 wrote:

PatrickvD wrote: Sorry but nothing we haven't read before. Just because it's on a blog does not mean it's well written. The 'it's our fault because we didn't go see The Princess and the Frog' argument is old and tired. It was Disney that domed it by marketing TPaTF as something for little girls only. And it was also Disney that lied about the budget.

Leaving us to believe they just messed up and do not care.

Moving on.

Are you saying hand drawn is dead anyway?

Obviously yes.

PatrickvD wrote:
Obviously yes.

You know what? I'm putting my foot down! I am sick and tired of everybody saying hand drawn is dead this and hand drawn is dead that, I'm sick and tired of hearing that! If I hear hand drawn is dead one more time, I have no choice, but tell the moderator to close this thread for good! Because I am sick and tired being a drama king!

TsWade2 wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:
Obviously yes.

You know what? I'm putting my foot down! I am sick and tired of everybody saying hand drawn is dead this and hand drawn is dead that, I'm sick and tired of hearing that! If I hear hand drawn is dead one more time, I have no choice, but tell the moderator to close this thread for good! Because I am sick and tired being a drama king!

I'm not saying it to piss anyone off or because 'I believe it is so'. I'm simply stating the facts: Walt Disney Animation Studios is, for the foreseeable future (all the way up to 2018), not producing hand drawn animated features and we have no reason to believe they will be making any beyond that. Sotiris can correct me if I'm wrong.

'Hand drawn' of course isn't dead. But if you only want your traditional films to come from Disney, then yes, it's dead. But do yourself a favor and look at all the wonderful work being done around the world if, as you say, it's purely about the technique.

And I do not like being threatened with being reported to a moderator for simply answering your question. Please keep things polite, as I believe I am as well.

TsWade2 wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:
Obviously yes.

You know what? I'm putting my foot down! I am sick and tired of everybody saying hand drawn is dead this and hand drawn is dead that, I'm sick and tired of hearing that! If I hear hand drawn is dead one more time, I have no choice, but tell the moderator to close this thread for good! Because I am sick and tired being a drama king!

You can always go his way:

PatrickvD wrote:'Hand drawn' of course isn't dead. But if you only want your traditional films to come from Disney, then yes, it's dead. But do yourself a favor and look at all the wonderful work being done around the world if, as you say, it's purely about the technique.

Or you can take a look at the likes of Gravity Falls, which has an incredible fluidity and theatrical quality to its animation (James Baxter even animated a dinosaur in one of the episodes). I'm not sure how likely this is, since Disney hasn't done a theatrical version of one of their animated series, since Teacher's Pet performed so poorly, but I think Gravity Falls would be perfect for a big-screen animated feature. I'm hoping we get it one day. Maybe the success of the upcoming SpongeBob sequel could lead to it.

I'm of the opinion hand-drawn animation is not dead at Disney and will come back. Didn't we say the same thing with 100% certainty after Home on the Range was announced as the last one. Do we honestly think Winnie the Pooh will be the last hand-drawn animated feature? Maybe it's my optimistic nature, but I doubt it. Hollywood works in cycles. One decade, they don't see a market for hand-drawn animated films. The next, there will be three or four released a year (last year's stop-motion revolution, anyone?).

TsWade2 wrote:You know what? I'm putting my foot down! I am sick and tired of everybody saying hand drawn is dead this and hand drawn is dead that, I'm sick and tired of hearing that! If I hear hand drawn is dead one more time, I have no choice, but tell the moderator to close this thread for good! Because I am sick and tired being a drama king!

DUDE, calm the FUCK down! If hand drawn is dead, it is. It may not be for a long-period of time, but still. And also, you closing down the thread all because we said "hand drawn is dead" means that you're butthurt and you're acting like a 5-year-old who throws a temper tantrum whenever he/she doesn't get his way! I mean really, can you be mature or are you gonna be like a 5-year-old whenever we say hand drawn is dead?

TsWade2 wrote:Because I am sick and tired being a drama king!

So is everyone else so stop acting like one.

estefan wrote:I'm of the opinion hand-drawn animation is not dead at Disney and will come back. Didn't we say the same thing with 100% certainty after Home on the Range was announced as the last one. Do we honestly think Winnie the Pooh will be the last hand-drawn animated feature? Maybe it's my optimistic nature, but I doubt it. Hollywood works in cycles. One decade, they don't see a market for hand-drawn animated films. The next, there will be three or four released a year (last year's stop-motion revolution, anyone?).

Agreed.

Sorry about that.

TsWade2 wrote:Sorry about that.

No worries. I understand the love for classic animation.

PatrickvD wrote:

TsWade2 wrote:Sorry about that.

No worries. I understand the love for classic animation.

Thanks. And I'm sure you didn't mean any harm. I just miss hand drawn so much. But nothing's wrong with CGI. And I'm very excited for Frozen and Big Hero 6.

estefan wrote:Or you can take a look at the likes of Gravity Falls, which has an incredible fluidity and theatrical quality to its animation (James Baxter even animated a dinosaur in one of the episodes). I'm not sure how likely this is, since Disney hasn't done a theatrical version of one of their animated series, since Teacher's Pet performed so poorly, but I think Gravity Falls would be perfect for a big-screen animated feature. I'm hoping we get it one day. Maybe the success of the upcoming SpongeBob sequel could lead to it.

I'm of the opinion hand-drawn animation is not dead at Disney and will come back. Didn't we say the same thing with 100% certainty after Home on the Range was announced as the last one. Do we honestly think Winnie the Pooh will be the last hand-drawn animated feature? Maybe it's my optimistic nature, but I doubt it. Hollywood works in cycles. One decade, they don't see a market for hand-drawn animated films. The next, there will be three or four released a year (last year's stop-motion revolution, anyone?).

Well, I hate Spongebob, but on record, if it's the only way to convince Disney that hand drawn is not dead, then that movie has my support. I'm not going to see it, but it has my support.