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Vlad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:40 amMeanwhile, I was thinking, do you guys think that maybe Disney will do another restoration for Beauty and the Beast as they did with Cinderella? Give it the proper presentation it deserves. Do one for the original theatrical version, keep it the same as in 1991, no changes.

They already did back in 2016. The Digital Cinema Package (or DCP) that was used for theatrical screenings for the 25th anniversary and repertory showings (Cinemark Theatre's three-year "Disney Screen" programming block, for example) is the perfect example of how the film should look. To cite myself from seven years ago:

And, by some miracle, they screened a version of the film that most accurately represented what viewers saw in 1991. Natural, earthy colors. Beast stuttering, "You wan-you wanna stay in the tower?" The correct background for the closing shot of "Something There." No "Human Again," so all the backgrounds still looked dirty and unkempt. Belle's reflection in the glass was gone. And Cogsworth had that muscle spasm as he proclaims "Why?" This was the Beauty and the Beast I grew up with. And at last, I could see it the way it was meant to be seen.

Strangely, it was not used at all for the 2016 Signature Collection Blu-Ray, nor for the 4K Ultra HD disc in 2020, the 30th Anniversary Edition DMC Blu-Ray in 2021, or the Disney100 4K Steelbook in 2023. Even stranger still, when Disney put the film back in theatres October 2023 as part of the Disney100 reissue series, it also used that same 2016 DCP. So clearly it still exists, just not on any of the home media releases that could have benefited from it.

Personally, I'd want them to just go back to the original 35mm IB Tech prints from 1991 and scan those in 4K rather than rebuild the film from scratch through all its digital departments. That would be the best way to get the "as seen in 1991" quality.

Here's hoping 2026 sees a new 35th Anniversary Edition 4K Ultra HD release that uses the 2016 DCP as its source, or even a from-the-ground-up digital recomposition that's faithful to the original theatrical release. My ideal home media release for the film would still contain multiple versions of the film (Work in Progress from the actual 35mm print used at New York Film Festival, Original Theatrical from a 35mm IB Tech print, Original Theatrical from the CAPS files, Special Edition from the CAPS files, and the 3-D conversion) just to represent its long and varied release history, but I doubt that would happen.

Alby

I agree, Vlad and Albert.

I do definitely hope that will happen for B&tB (or a release of the 2016 version Escapay talked about).

Interestingly, I just picked up another copy of B&tB a couple of weeks ago. Where the DMC is closing, I was picking up exclusives and things I've sort of put off for years, and got the 30th anniversary cover version with the Paige O'Hara artwork. Other than Beast (whose eyes look a little...off--but I appreciate that character must've been difficult to draw), I thought it was too nice to pass over. I think it's better than the TLM artwork O'Hara made some years ago, I remember I passed on that one since I'd already got the Target Digibook for TLM and it had been a little higher than I'd expected. I don't know how I've ended up with as many copies of B&tB as I have since it's more in the #12-15 range for me as far as DACs. I don't regret it though, since the film is a masterpiece after all, I just think it's sort of funny it almost competes with TLM for how many copies I have. And it was the first DVD I ever bought back (the Platinum) and then the first Blu-ray I ever bought (the Diamond).

For me, it was the first VHS I ever had and also, the first DVD, along with Belle's Magical World.

Oh, Escapay, this is VERY interesting to me!

I went to one of the 25th anniversary screenings... I assumed they were playing the film off of a 35mm print in the theater, not a DCP. But what do I know?? I'm sure you are right.
As for the 2023 re-issue (which I wasn't even aware of)... are you sure they used the 2016 DCP?? Did you see it in theaters?

I definitely wish they'd make a blu ray out of that version... though it could use a little color correcting: the version I saw at the 25th anniversary event had a blueish tint to the whole thing. Still much better than the current blu ray!

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:45 pm I don't know how I've ended up with as many copies of B&tB as I have since it's more in the #12-15 range for me as far as DACs. I don't regret it though, since the film is a masterpiece after all, I just think it's sort of funny it almost competes with TLM for how many copies I have. And it was the first DVD I ever bought back (the Platinum) and then the first Blu-ray I ever bought (the Diamond).

Having favorite films on multiple forms of home media is a weird collector's bug I've picked up, but one that I don't see myself getting rid of anytime soon. I have more copies of Beauty and the Beast on home video than any other Disney film, although I have more copies of Casablanca than any other film, period. Pretty sure I posted an old blog article here about my collection, but that was circa 2020 with only 14 copies of the film. I've added more copies of the film since then, totaling 26 copies of Beauty and the Beast across five forms of home media: VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, Blu-Ray, & 4K Ultra HD. Most of these are US releases, but have been expanded to include editions from other countries as well.

Special Work-in-Progress Edition Exclusively for Academy Members VHS (March 1992)
Demo Tape VHS (July 1992)
Deluxe Collector's Edition VHS (October 1992)
The Classics VHS (October 1992)
Work in Progress CAV Laserdisc (November 1992)
Deluxe Collector's Edition VHS (September 1993 - Japan)
The Classics CAV Laserdisc (September 1993)
The Classics CLV Laserdisc (September 1993)
Deluxe Edition CLV/CAV Laserdisc (September 1994 - Japan)
Platinum Edition DVD (October 2002)
Platinum Edition VHS (October 2002)
Collector's Edition DVD (October 2002 - France)
Collector's Diamond Edition Blu-Ray (October 2010 - Disney Movie Club exclusive)
Diamond Edition Blu-Ray, Ironpack (October 2010 - Best Buy exclusive)
Diamond Edition Blu-Ray (October 2010)
Diamond Edition DVD (November 2010)
Diamond Edition 3D Blu-Ray (October 2011)
Diamond Edition Blu-Ray (March 2015 - Japan)
Collector's Diamond Edition 3D Blu-Ray, Digibook (April 2015 - Germany)
Signature Collection Blu-Ray, Digibook (September 2016 - Target exclusive)
Signature Collection Blu-Ray (September 2016)
Big Sleeve Edition Blu-Ray (November 2016 - United Kingdom)
Signature Collection 4K Ultra HD, Steelbook (March 2010 - Best Buy exclusive)
Anniversary Edition Blu-Ray (November 2021 - Disney Movie Club exclusive)
Disney 100 Blu-Ray (January 2023)
Disney 100 4K Ultra HD, Steelbook (August 2023 - Best Buy exclusive)

My current "holy grail" releases I'm trying to find include the very rare Betamax release from 1992, as well as the far more rarer Descriptive Video Service version of the VHS, with the descriptive-audio soundtrack for the visually-impaired. For aesthetic purposes, I'd also like to acquire the UK Platinum Edition as it has a similar digipak packaging to the French release, which I serendipitously found at a record booth while browsing St. Ouen's flea market in Paris last year. It's part of a fun tradition I have to buy a Disney film set in the city I'm visiting. Started in Tokyo when I picked up a Japanese Blu-Ray of Big Hero 6, continued in London when I acquired the UK DVD of Mary Poppins, and the latest chapter is my French DVD of Beauty and the Beast. One of these days, I'll make it to Italy and go out of my way to find a video store solely to pick up Luca on Blu-Ray, haha.

Marce82 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:54 pmI went to one of the 25th anniversary screenings... I assumed they were playing the film off of a 35mm print in the theater, not a DCP. But what do I know?? I'm sure you are right.

The 25th anniversary screening at the Samuel Goldwyn Theater in Beverly Hills was a 70mm print that was used for the film's premiere, if that's the screening you went to. CineMark Theaters had a "Disney Screen" programming series that used the new 2016 DCP, which was also used by any theaters across the country that reissued the film for its anniversary. Throughout 2016, I saw Beauty and the Beast in theatres on three separate occasions - in May, September, and November - and they were all the new DCP.

Marce82 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:54 pmAs for the 2023 re-issue (which I wasn't even aware of)... are you sure they used the 2016 DCP?? Did you see it in theaters?

Yes. That's why I knew it was the 2016 DCP.

Alby

Hey Escapay!

Oh, thank you! Yes, I went to the screening in Beverly Hills, which included a Q&A with the directors, some directing animators and entire cast. It was great! And half the audience was people who had worked on the movie as well.

Darn... I would have loved to have seen the 2016 DCP in 2023... though there are no Cinemarks nearby. Hey, if you ever know of another reissue where they'll use that DCP, PLEASE let me/us know!!

Where do you find all this super detailed info about the sources of the reissues??

Thanks again!

I just found out that Paige O'Hara had recorded the song "Beauty and the Beast" for a personal album in 1998. I knew she performs it frequently at conventions and whatnot, but was unaware there was a studio recording of her rendition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTKIZKBNpxs

That album cover and synth track are terrible! But her rendition of.the song is magnificent and lovely!

Vlad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:28 am For me, it was the first VHS I ever had and also, the first DVD, along with Belle's Magical World.

Has Belle's Magical World been put on DVD or Blu-ray? I've never really searched for it, but part of me wants to have these things for completion's sake. Part of me knows that one day in a blue moon I'll put on some of DTV films just to see them again after so long. I'm curious to see it again now you mentioned it, since I don't think I've seen that one since it came out on VHS. It's a shame I don't have a VHS player that works anymore to put the VHS on. Too bad they can't come back into vogue like vinyl records have.

@Escapay: I'm really happy for you having so many versions. I've always wanted to have Laserdisc releases for some WDAS films. Maybe I'll be able to get them someday--hope springs eternal.

I was watching some old performances of various voice actors the other day, and I came across a version of Lea Salonga had a fairly good version of "Beauty and the Beast" amidst some other things (also an early version of "Just Around the Riverbend" that she had been part of--was she considered for Pocahontas early on at some point? I wouldn't be surprised, I know Jodi Benson had briefly been considered for Belle). It was almost like if Belle herself was singing the song, since she was so young then. I need to listen to that video Sotiris posted, I don't know why it's never occurred to me to look up a O'Hara cover of the song.

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 8:55 pm

Vlad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:28 am For me, it was the first VHS I ever had and also, the first DVD, along with Belle's Magical World.

Has Belle's Magical World been put on DVD or Blu-ray? I've never really searched for it, but part of me wants to have these things for completion's sake. Part of me knows that one day in a blue moon I'll put on some of DTV films just to see them again after so long. I'm curious to see it again now you mentioned it, since I don't think I've seen that one since it came out on VHS. It's a shame I don't have a VHS player that works anymore to put the VHS on. Too bad they can't come back into vogue like vinyl records have.

@Escapay: I'm really happy for you having so many versions. I've always wanted to have Laserdisc releases for some WDAS films. Maybe I'll be able to get them someday--hope springs eternal.

I was watching some old performances of various voice actors the other day, and I came across a version of Lea Salonga had a fairly good version of "Beauty and the Beast" amidst some other things (also an early version of "Just Around the Riverbend" that she had been part of--was she considered for Pocahontas early on at some point? I wouldn't be surprised, I know Jodi Benson had briefly been considered for Belle). It was almost like if Belle herself was singing the song, since she was so young then. I need to listen to that video Sotiris posted, I don't know why it's never occurred to me to look up a O'Hara cover of the song.

Belle's magical World has two different editions on DVD, the first one included a new story and the second one was released with the diamond edition with a “sing me a story with Belle” in the bonus. It has not been released on Blu Ray. Imagine how bad it would look

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 8:55 pm Has Belle's Magical World been put on DVD or Blu-ray? I've never really searched for it, but part of me wants to have these things for completion's sake. Part of me knows that one day in a blue moon I'll put on some of DTV films just to see them again after so long. I'm curious to see it again now you mentioned it, since I don't think I've seen that one since it came out on VHS. It's a shame I don't have a VHS player that works anymore to put the VHS on. Too bad they can't come back into vogue like vinyl records have.

On DVD yes (as it was finished in SD quality). But not on Blu-ray or HD in general. Ather than the titles, it looks like the episodes were done on film. I wonder if a new scan whoud make an improvement, I don't think so, but still.

Haralampos wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:41 am

Kyle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:18 pm I need to check out Beauty and the Beast 3d again. Its especially worth checking out as, as far as I can tell, its the closest thing to the original (darker) colors as you can get now, surprisingly.

The 3D version has almost no color editing of the original material because when they did the restoration for the Diamond edition release they didn't expected a 3D version and also the restoration material was not compatible. It's a rushed project of putting the film out after the theatrical 3D success of The Lion King. They went or used previously extracted layers from the CAPS in-studio digital ink&paint computers to create the depth and the stereoscopic images making the only version with the original 'problematic' colors as the monitor technology back then wasn't advanced and accurate as it became later.
I haven't watched the 3D film lately but I don't remember being dark at all, actually it's even brighter (and blueish) but haven't checked lately, if you prefer it this way. Also there's no way to watch the 3D version in 2D, just watch the left or right picture and I don't recommend, it's edited for 3D. There's no scanned film option available to see it as you remember it in theaters. They say there's a new version that you can catch randomly here and there that looks right but.

I'm continuing the conversation in the Beauty and the Beast thread.

I went to my brother today and used his VR to check a few more clips and trailers from the 3D version. To me it seems that the HDR colors looks similar to the 3D's with the exception of the ballroom scene where Belle's dress looks more yellow in the 3D while in HDR it looks more gold.

While both of them look better than the Blu-ray, neither look exactly the same as this IMAX trailer:

https://youtu.be/herCuCHSR2s?feature=shared

Or these Dream Big, Princess commercials:

https://youtu.be/KnZOMG7FFnI?si=Q3Fn8uCOxSaPnfHP

https://youtu.be/8y_pp8e-mk4?si=mXKGoQxCvInoI6ZP

where are you sourcing a 3d conversion with HDR? I didnt think one that had both like that existed.

On top of that, which headset supports hdr? I dont think my quest 3 does. I'm sure there are some out there that do though.

Edit: my bad, you're not saying they both exist in the same copy

Marce82 wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:07 amDarn... I would have loved to have seen the 2016 DCP in 2023... though there are no Cinemarks nearby. Hey, if you ever know of another reissue where they'll use that DCP, PLEASE let me/us know!!

Where do you find all this super detailed info about the sources of the reissues??

I mean, if there's ever a national reissue, chances are the theatres will get the same DCP unless Disney decides to issue a new one. Most of the information comes from the theatres themselves, or a quick e-mail sent to Disney marketing to get details. Disney's reissuing The Lion King to theatres nationwide next month for its 30th anniversary, it will likely be the DCP I saw last October as well, but I'll have to check when I'm there.

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 8:55 pm @Escapay: I'm really happy for you having so many versions. I've always wanted to have Laserdisc releases for some WDAS films. Maybe I'll be able to get them someday--hope springs eternal.

It's a fairly inexpensive hobby to get into as LaserDiscs weren't as mainstream as VHS, so they sell for reasonable prices online compared to the folks who think they can offer an open clamshell for $500 because they read online that the Black Diamonds are worth boffo bucks. What's really going to get you is finding a working laserdisc player, with a functioning remote as well. My first player died on me about a year into owning it, and my second works fine, but the remote died about a year into that as well. I can easily buy another one online, but can't justify to myself some of the more exorbitant prices that even a mere Pioneer Laserdisc Player remote costs secondhand. As I largely use my LD player for playback and not so much the frame-by-frame that the remote comes in handy for, it's a lesser priority for me to get one.

Plus, LD covers are gorgeous, I've bought a couple spares of titles I already own simply to frame the covers and mount them on the wall!

Alby

Hey Escapay,

Thanks for that info.

So what do you think of the footage on those "dream big princess" commercials? Do you know where those are sourced from? Is that the 2016 DCP?

I admit the footage in those is a big improvement over the current blu ray...

An image of Cogsworth from the CAPS system I found on the internet:

Farerb wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:41 am An image of Cogsworth from the CAPS system I found on the internet:

The colors look more natural and elegant than in the blu ray version

there's really no evidence that screenshot is remotely accurate, doesnt matter that its of caps, and to me the lower screenshot looks more natural, the top one just looks like basic primary colors. Very neon, and untreated.