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I sort of wish to prove that we have no way of proving that a creature (a creature who was BORN as a creature) cannot have a soul...I think that the Rumpelstiltskin/ TTT character, and even Jackoleen, might be able to vaguely represent those people within whom society sometimes fails to recognize souls...(Ie: Outcasts of sorts...)
I think they're not going for realism, but believability. If it works in the movie, whether it's realistic or not, then it works. The backgrounds in movies have to work really well, because if they aren't seamless to either the studio sets, or the actors, then it puts people off. It seems that on most productions people take the CG backgrounds for granted, because I'm still seeing many badly composited backgrounds, that really should've been something from the past.Julian Carter wrote:I have a question for you people.
What exactly is the difference in creating the digital CG worlds (and character models) of animated features (e.g. Tangled, Megamind) to that of live-action films making heavy use of
animation (e.g. Avatar, The Matrix)?
Aesthetically speaking, the worlds created in such live-action films are realistic (they must mesh with the live-action visuals) and seemingly more complex looking than the CG work
done on most animated features. Does this mean such CG imagery is more challenging to build from the ground up and requires an increased skill level?
In an nutshell, how would the work required for Tangled compare to the work required for Avatar?
Or am I trying to compare apples to oranges and missing the point entirely?
What are you talking about?Jackoleen wrote:Dear Disney Duster,
"RUMPELSTILTSKIN" SPOILERS...
Thank you for your kind reply.
I must say, though, that you brought up an interesting (and a literally heartbreaking, but socially recurring) idea when you talked about enchanted creatures and soulless creatures. I hadn't really thought of the situation in that way before; the idea of a soulless, smiling, wheeling and dealing Rumpelstiltskin character of ANY type is enough to creep me out, fer shurr! I don't know that the aforementioned idea (the idea that you talked about) was created by anybody specific, but, for some reason, it sort of saddens me...
My beef with the story of "Rumpelstiltskin" has always dealt with the fact that, for some reason, I always sympathized with the creature (He was always being cheated), while at the same time despising the new Queen (She always struck me as being a spoiled, saved-by-the-bell little liar, who cheated Rumpel by using a man who was cruel to begin with).
That being said, I want Jackoleen's creature to start out much as SHE does: selfish, smug, greedy, gluttonous, superior, etc. I want him to find out that he is lonely. I don't think that the "Maiden" character from ANY adaptation of the "Rumpel" story will EVER be able to escape from the position of being trapped between a cruel king and an unfair, wheeling, dealing creature of some kind.
I sort of want for Jackoleen and the creature to start out by using each other, and to change their respective perspectives about life...and yet, I still want them to retain the very human, selfish aspects of their personalities, a la a couple of 1980s kids who grew up, but who still won't go without their double pep pizzas, or their G.I. Joe and Barbie collections...or some cool Best Buy cards, at least.
Like I said, I wish to tell a good story, while, at the same time, disobeying all of the stereotypes that our society is being fed today...
I'm not gonna spoil any more of the story, but I will say that I can only hope that Walt would've approved of such a stereotype-disobeying storyline...
Side-Note: When I always used to think of a "Jacqueline", I used to think of a bold, self-absorbed, imperious Alice (a la "Alicei n Wonderland") type...
If I'm hijacking the thread, I don't mind sending you PMs instead of discussing the Jackoleen story on the "Tangled" thread...
Thank you in advance for your reply.
And she's also paying more attention to Rapunzel's hair.Disney Duster wrote:Oh, no, Mother Gothel is obviously squeezing Rapunzel a little too tight and her expression looking a little too fake...
Unfortunately, 2D and 3D are different mediums. Which is why I still prefer 2D, because it allows exaggeration, whereas 3D...not so much. I think what they've done is good for 3D, but there always has to be a distinction. I've never expected this to look like 2D in 3D because, frankly, that's kind of impossible (at the moment, anyway).Enigmawing, well, I do think the pointy nose fits Rapunzel more, but I find the original size more natural and better. Anyway, your change to the CGI...first, how on Earth did you do that? You and your brilliant, amazing skills! Next, you made me see that it should indeed look more like that. Really, all the eyes would need to be is smaller, but the look of everything is perfectly better. It's what they wanted to do, I'm sure, and should have done. Sigh!
No. I still don't think she looks that much like Ariel, or at least doesn't evoke the same reaction from me as Ariel did. Yes, large eyes are a trait of Glen Keane's, but I just don't think she looks that much like Ariel. Ariel seemed much more older, her body more lanky/defined, and her chin more sharp than Rapunzel. And I never really thought of Ariel as a tomboy either. She's obviously a strong heroine and participates in "male" activities (searching for treasure, etc.), but she always seemed fundamentally 'feminine.' Honestly, Rapunzel reminds me a lot of my sister when she was 13-15. Similar hair, faces almost exactly alike, tomboyish demeanor. That might be why she comes across so childish to me, because my sister was a child when she was like that.Divinity, by any chance are you warming up to Rapunzel because she is like Ariel more and more? She was a total tomboy, too.
Wow, you're right! I didn't even notice that. But she looks really young there, IMO. Even younger than she normally does.DancingCrab wrote:That new shot of her reaching up to calm Maximus looks soooo similar to Ariel reaching up in her grotto toward the end of Part of Your World. I really like her look here.
