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I've finally found the source of the images that revealed Dragon Sisu's new design. They were from puzzles by Clementoni:

https://www.techmania.ch/fr/product/cle ... g-27800962
https://www.techmania.ch/fr/product/cle ... g-27800955
https://www.techmania.ch/fr/product/cle ... s-27800948
https://www.techmania.ch/fr/product/cle ... s-27800885
https://www.techmania.ch/fr/product/cle ... g-27800878

farerb wrote:I guess Disney are not THAT disappointed with Mulan like people think they are, or maybe they believe that a WDAS film will do better. Though is that user reliable or does he just assume this will be the price because that was the price of Mulan?

I don't know if that user is reliable or not. What they posted looks like the response they got from Disney to a question they had asked through the Disney+ help center, but I guess there's a chance it could be fake. Here's the translation to what that post said:

How much does Premier Access to Raya and the Last Dragon cost?
The Premier Access to Raya and the Last Dragon will be available for a one-time additional fee of $29.99 in the US. It will vary slightly in other countries, but there are no more details available about the prices at the moment.

farerb wrote:I'm glad about the 90 minutes, it means that it will have an efficient second act. However, I remember that it was noted that Soul is 90 minutes and it turned out to be 100 minutes instead.

Yeah, even though that info comes from an official source, it's not completely sure it'll be the final running time. They finished the animation not long ago, so I guess it's possible there could be some last-minute editing changes, for example. I guess we'll have to take this and the Premier Access price with a grain of salt for now.

Sotiris wrote:This is the first time we've seen Raya's earlier design without her hat. It's interesting the braid at the top of her head was an element they kept in the new design.

I had the same thought. Personally, I'm glad they kept it.

Sotiris wrote:I wonder why products keep mixing and matching the outdated clip-art of Raya with the new design of Sisu and of the other characters. Can they not tell the difference or do they think the public can't? Has Disney not send them updated materials in time?

I don't know, but I think this is not the first time that happens. I remember seeing some of the old Rapunzel and Frozen designs mixed with the new ones in some products.

Sotiris wrote:

D82 wrote:Disney Store's Raya doll. It's quite different from the Hasbro one, isn't it?

Yes, the Disney Store dolls aren't produced by Hasbro and are usually of higher quality.

I see. However, the Hasbro doll looks more similar to the final Raya design to me than the Disney Store one.

Redadoodles wrote:I mean, it's a bit too similar to Pocahontas when it comes to the face mold

You know what? She does actually resemble Pocahontas with her angularity and a similar shape of her face.

D82 wrote:I've finally found the source of the images that revealed Dragon Sisu's new design. They were from puzzles by Clementoni.

Thanks for tracking down the source!

D82 wrote:I had the same thought. Personally, I'm glad they kept it.

Me too. It makes her a bit more unique in terms of design.

D82 wrote: see. However, the Hasbro doll looks more similar to the final Raya design to me than the Disney Store one.

Well, only one of them. The rest of the Hasbro dolls didn't.

not surprised the Disney Store Raya doll is so much nicer than the Hasbro junk. I thought some of the Hasbro Frozen 2 dolls were bad but their Raya dolls take the cake for their cheapness. Some of the outfits are just one misshapen piece of fabric when they should be several pieces and layers. Have they just given up completely on making separate belts!?

D82 wrote:
I agree with both things. Sisu already looked a bit like a unicorn in the first design, but now probably even more so. I wonder if they made her extra girly to sell at least merchandise of her, given that they probably don't expect the Raya dolls to be too popular since she's not as feminine as other princesses. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, unfortunately the princesses of color don't sell as well as the white ones, am I right?

well from all my years of being a toy collector Ive noticed that when they try to market dragons to girls they almost always make the dragon more girly looking, as if they think girls wouldnt be into just regular looking reptilian monstery dragons. When I was a little girl I loved dragons(and dinosaurs) and this was the 80s. There were no girly looking dragons around yet and I liked them as they were just fine. And, yes, one of my earliest dragon loves was Maleficent. Somehow they managed to make her design elegant without looking overtly girly.

here are just 4 recent examples of girly looking dragon toys marketed to girls:

Barbie Rapunzel doll line
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Barbie-Rapun ... on/1929881

Ever Afer High doll line. This ones not bad (at least its not pink and purple)and I was tempted to get it at one point:
https://shop.mattel.com/shop/en-us/ms/e ... ider-dkm76

Lego Elves line
https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Elves-Drago ... B01AW1QYMO

Schleich Bayala elves line
https://www.amazon.com/SCHLEICH-70592-F ... B07Y2TCC8Q

whats weird about RATLD is how much Sisu sticks out compared to the rest of the cast where they were very careful to make the human female characters look very non-feminine... non pretty, but for some reason they felt the dragon had to be girly looking one?

unprincess wrote:n
Barbie Rapunzel doll line
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Barbie-Rapun ... on/1929881

I own the Barbie as Rapunzel movie own dvd , I got it cheap in a secend hand store.

New images. Raya probably won't be carrying an axe in the movie, but it seems one of the misfits will, the big man called Tong.


Source: https://www.kohls.com/product/prd-45932 ... ma-set.jsp (via raya.and.the.last.dragon on Instagram)


Source:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhotAZl0eo/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhpK20liud/


Source:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhxFOplnai/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhzU0IlWox/

Cover of a Russian coloring book:



More images here (click on the link on the left under each cover to see some pages from inside the books):
https://eksmo.ru/book/besstrashnye-zash ... TD1126828/
https://eksmo.ru/book/osedlay-udachu-ITD1126578/
https://eksmo.ru/book/navstrechu-prikly ... TD1126842/

Credit: raya.and.the.last.dragon on Instagram.

Sotiris wrote:It makes her a bit more unique in terms of design.

I agree.

Sotiris wrote:

D82 wrote:I see. However, the Hasbro doll looks more similar to the final Raya design to me than the Disney Store one.

Well, only one of them. The rest of the Hasbro dolls didn't.

You're right, I had forgotten there was more than one Hasbro doll. I wonder why they are so different from one another. I understand dolls from different brands not looking the same, but why does that happen between dolls by the same brand as well?

unprincess wrote:well from all my years of being a toy collector Ive noticed that when they try to market dragons to girls they almost always make the dragon more girly looking, as if they think girls wouldnt be into just regular looking reptilian monstery dragons. When I was a little girl I loved dragons(and dinosaurs) and this was the 80s. There were no girly looking dragons around yet and I liked them as they were just fine. And, yes, one of my earliest dragon loves was Maleficent. Somehow they managed to make her design elegant without looking overtly girly.

here are just 4 recent examples of girly looking dragon toys marketed to girls:

Barbie Rapunzel doll line
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Barbie-Rapun ... on/1929881

Ever Afer High doll line. This ones not bad (at least its not pink and purple)and I was tempted to get it at one point:
https://shop.mattel.com/shop/en-us/ms/e ... ider-dkm76

Lego Elves line
https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Elves-Drago ... B01AW1QYMO

Schleich Bayala elves line
https://www.amazon.com/SCHLEICH-70592-F ... B07Y2TCC8Q

Thanks for the examples. I didn't know there were so many dragons marketed at girls. Some have very similar color schemes to Sisu.

unprincess wrote:whats weird about RATLD is how much Sisu sticks out compared to the rest of the cast where they were very careful to make the human female characters look very non-feminine... non pretty, but for some reason they felt the dragon had to be girly looking one?

Yes, the dragon sticks out compared to the rest of the characters. But we'll see, maybe she looks better in the movie itself.

D82 wrote:Raya probably won't be carrying an axe in the movie, but it seems one of the misfits will, the big man called Tong.

It's one thing to remove the axe because it might scare the little ones or might be seen as too violent for a family-friendly film, but to take it away from your female lead and give it to a supporting male character? That seems kinda sexist to me. Sisu's human form seems to have remained the same which is disappointing to me. It really doesn't match her new dragon design. And is that a scar on Raya's face in the last picture or is there a smudge on the illustration?

D82 wrote:You're right, I had forgotten there was more than one Hasbro doll. I wonder why they are so different from one another. I understand dolls from different brands not looking the same, but why does that happen between dolls by the same brand as well?

I think that may have to do with the budget for each product and their price. I assume the other dolls are cheaper to produce and made from a generic mold, but the one that looks closer to the character is more expensive.

Sotiris wrote:And is that a scar on Raya's face in the last picture or is there a smudge on the illustration?

Could it be a lock of hair? She seems to have one on her face in some of the other images.

D82 wrote:I think that may have to do with the budget for each product and their price. I assume the other dolls are cheaper to produce and made from a generic mold, but the one that looks closer to the character is more expensive.

Oh, OK. That makes sense.

D82 wrote:
Source:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhotAZl0eo/

I'm really going to have to work hard to clear my mind of expectations when I finally see this. I like nearly everything put out about this movie so far; I dread the possibility of finding the finished product underwhelming.

I always try to go in with no expectations just before I watch something, but it's harder when I'm psyched about something like this. TP&TF, Frozen II, Moana, and now this are pretty much the only modern Disney animated films I've went in excited to see, and the only one that let me down somewhat is Moana. At least I don't have to worry about not liking the music since there is none here (for better or worse).

D82 wrote:
Source:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhotAZl0eo/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJhpK20liud//

Thanks for posting all those pictures. It`s just a pity that they`re unclear. But these stills reminds me of those from Tangled (especially the Thugs).

More images of the dragon Sisu doll:



Source: https://www.amazon.co.uk/DPR-RAI-SISU-D ... -1-catcorr (via raya.and.the.last.dragon on Instagram)

DisneyFan09 wrote:Thanks for posting all those pictures. It`s just a pity that they`re unclear. But these stills reminds me of those from Tangled (especially the Thugs).

You're welcome. They reminded me of the pub thugs, too. Especially the second image, which is similar to this one:

Some merchandise for the film is already available at Target. Here's a better look at the Raya and Namaari pack. Yes, the package confirms that's her name, but it's spelled with a double "a". More images here.

D82 wrote:Especially the second image, which is similar to this one:

That's right! I knew that image reminded me of something, but I couldn't put my finger on it.

D82 wrote:Here's a better look at the Raya and Namaari pack. Yes, the package confirms that's her name, but it's spelled with a double "a".

I preferred they kept it with only one "a". It looks better simplified. Not to mention, it's bound to get misspelled everywhere now like how Pumbaa is.

Am I the only bothered/noticing how the Southeast Asian ethnicity of Raya doesn’t seem like it was translated to the CG rendered version? She’s stunning in the 2D art, and you can very distinctly tell where she is from based on that design, but the CG design... it just loses it completely in my opinion.

D82 wrote:You're welcome. They reminded me of the pub thugs, too. Especially the second image, which is similar to this one:

I know, right?

Sotiris wrote:That's right! I knew that image reminded me of something, but I couldn't put my finger on it.

Well, thanks to us, you know what reminded you of it Just kidding

Sigh...

More toys (via raya_and.the_last.dragon on Instagram):

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-s-Ray ... /153914896
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-s-Ray ... /929727238
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-s-Ray ... /223175946
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-s-Ray ... /523943153

Disney's Divinity wrote:I'm really going to have to work hard to clear my mind of expectations when I finally see this. I like nearly everything put out about this movie so far; I dread the possibility of finding the finished product underwhelming.

I feel exactly the same way. I'm also trying to lower my expectations in case the movie is not as good as it looks so far. The only thing I've really complained about is dragon Sisu's new design, but I'm warming up to it. I think if I hadn't seen the original design shown at D23, I wouldn't have had such a big problem with the new one. The old design had much more personality and I especially liked the expression Sisu had there. It even resembled Awkwafina a bit. Though maybe the fact that it was hand-drawn is partially what made it so special.

D82 wrote:The only thing I've really complained about is dragon Sisu's new design, but I'm warming up to it. I think if I hadn't seen the original design shown at D23, I wouldn't have had such a big problem with the new one.

This is how I feel, too!

The Art book will be released on March 16th:
https://www.target.com/p/art-of-raya-an ... nk=sametab