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Disneys Divinity wrote:I can definitely see where you're coming from. While I, myself, could be attracted to just about any type of guy, Zac Efron is very metrosexual. I've always thought it was strange that so many gay guys take on feminine characteristics (purposefully). I thought being gay meant you wanted to date guys? Not girls in barely male bodies

I think it just mainly comes down to what you individually find attractive, like how heterosexual people find certain attributes attractive that others might not. Some gay guys might like guys who look more feminine, while others really like manly ones. It just comes down to personal taste. I think I personally fall inbetween the two that I find attractive. I tend to lean more towards liking guys who have slightly feminine characteristics, yet I still don't find Zac Efron that attractive. However, studly ones like James Marsden on the other hand...

Sometimes too I think some feminine characteristics a gay man might have aren't always brought on purposefully. There are those who purposefully do it I think to draw attention to themselves, and others who it just feels natural for them that way. I've had many people tell me I look rather feminine, and sometimes have some feminine characteristics as well. I don't intend to act or look that way on purpose, it's just always been a part of me as long as I can remember.

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:

lord-of-sith wrote:I'm also anticipating Zac Efron comming out as well, as well as Lucas Grabeel (I can dream right?). But maybe Disney can own up to Ryan being gay before we get that...

You'll have to fight me tooth and nail for Lucas You can have Efron though if you can sneak past Jiminy

BRING IT!

Disney's Divinity wrote: Yeah, celebrity crushes are mostly based on who's attractive and who's not. Very rarely can you get a sense of someone's personality without being around them on a personal basis.

Well, being attracted to a person is part of crushing, but as far as celebrity crushes go, at least for me, the person's talent is also extremely important, as well as if they're nice and whatnot. There are celebrities that I find attractive but I don't have a crush on them.

PrincePhillipFan wrote:I think it just mainly comes down to what you individually find attractive, like how heterosexual people find certain attributes attractive that others might not. Some gay guys might like guys who look more feminine, while others really like manly ones. It just comes down to personal taste. I think I personally fall inbetween the two that I find attractive. I tend to lean more towards liking guys who have slightly feminine characteristics, yet I still don't find Zac Efron that attractive. However, studly ones like James Marsden on the other hand...

Sometimes too I think some feminine characteristics a gay man might have aren't always brought on purposefully. There are those who purposefully do it I think to draw attention to themselves, and others who it just feels natural for them that way. I've had many people tell me I look rather feminine, and sometimes have some feminine characteristics as well. I don't intend to act or look that way on purpose, it's just always been a part of me as long as I can remember.

Well it appears my other brain has spoken for me once again. The first paragraph I agree with 100%, but I may think Zac is a bit more attractive than you do Tim.

I too agree that sometimes that guys (both straight and gay) can have feminine features to them as a result of just being born like that. It can be attractive too, but any guy who tries to purposely be as feminine and flamboyant as possible can be a huge turn off for me. Loud and obnoxious gay people are just as bad as loud and obnoxious straight people.

blackcauldron85 wrote:Well, being attracted to a person is part of crushing, but as far as celebrity crushes go, at least for me, the person's talent is also extremely important, as well as if they're nice and whatnot. There are celebrities that I find attractive but I don't have a crush on them.

Very true, Amy. Personality is an extremely important factor. That's probably why I don't care much for Zac. All I've seen him do is just be the next generic teen pop music star with only one role I liked (and it was impersonating someone else).

Flanger-Hanger wrote: I too agree that sometimes that guys (both straight and gay) can have feminine features to them as a result of just being born like that. It can be attractive too, but any guy who tries to purposely be as feminine and flamboyant as possible can be a huge turn off for me. Loud and obnoxious gay people are just as bad as loud and obnoxious straight people.

That's what I meant. I put the "purposefully" because I know people just grow up and do things that are stereotypically thought of as feminine. I was more on about the people who have weak wrists, stick out their pinky or talk with a baby voice. Those things annoy me when women do them, and it does moreso when a man does them. It's just incredibly fake to me.

Also, I've never quite understood why some people have lisps and some people don't. I know that, for the most part, noone fakes a lisp, but it seems like more gay guys than straight guys have them.

Um, i think it's coz gay guys (or rather, the ones with lisps), they are naturally more feminine. The feminine qualities, or the higher levels of oestrogen probably have an effect on their voice, resulting in the lisp.
In short, as they act like girls, the lisp naturally occurs, as guys arent meant to sound like that. lol.
-james

Flanger-Hanger wrote:I too agree that sometimes that guys (both straight and gay) can have feminine features to them as a result of just being born like that. It can be attractive too, but any guy who tries to purposely be as feminine and flamboyant as possible can be a huge turn off for me. Loud and obnoxious gay people are just as bad as loud and obnoxious straight people.

I completely agree. I know there are gay people out there like me who do look and act rather feminine naturally, but overly flamboyant people who do act out to draw attention can often be annoying to me. I know one of my friends in high school had another gay friend as well who would purposefully act out about it just to gain attention. I'm proud to be open about my sexuality and who I am, but to me there's a fine line between being open about it and shouting it just to be noticed.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:The first paragraph I agree with 100%, but I may think Zac is a bit more attractive than you do Tim.

That actually reminds me of something my girl friend and I joke about together. A few months ago when we were at MGM, we were walking through one of the stores and of course they had High School Musical stuff for sale everywhere. She asked me "I don't get it. What is Efron's appeal?" I looked at a pillow with his face on it, and said "Well, he does have every pretty eyes." Ever since then, we both crack up any time we see Zac Efron's face and she teases me about how he has nice eyes.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I've always thought it was strange that so many gay guys take on feminine characteristics (purposefully). I thought being gay meant you wanted to date guys? Not girls in barely male bodies?

Okay, on the internet, things can be read different ways. But, I find this very, very offensive. I know you mean no harm, and maybe you don't know why I find it so offensive, so that's why I will explain.

A little bit like James said, guys are naturally, coming from nature, more feminine. I think it's pretty bad to think that the only difference between a gay man and straight man, is they are attracted to different sexes. In a general sense, maybe you can say that, but there are lots of a little things that happen to gay men that make them different from straight men.

Now, this is only theory, it's true, but I would say our voices get high and lispy to attract men, especially gay men, to us. I know that when I hear a guy's "gay" voice, and see his "gay" walk and other movements, I think it's cute, and I think "He's like me" and I want to go to him. Of course, it's very small, you don't go humping everyone you think is hot. It's just an attraction thing.

But then, yes, there are very deep-voiced, big, hairy guys and I am attracted to aspects of them, too. I know lots of gay guys think it's so hot to imagine a straight gay doing anything sexual with them, probably because it has to do with the thought of being able to "get" them, like "Oh I'm so hot a straight guy likes me!", and there's probably some danger and violence and exploring a world different from our own somewhere in there. So maybe it's a mix of things.

The whole "girls in barely male bodies" thing was really offensive. In this day and age, we discover we can grow to be however we want. I guess what it is is typically, men are able to be bigger and build more muscle than women. But since biologically boys can be skinny or "willowy" and still have all the things that really make us men, being big and muscley doesn't equal being male. I suppose waxing hair off our chest and other parts is changing how we are, but girls wax their legs and other parts and that's changing how they are.

James wrote:Um, i think it's coz gay guys (or rather, the ones with lisps), they are naturally more feminine. The feminine qualities, or the higher levels of oestrogen probably have an effect on their voice, resulting in the lisp.
In short, as they act like girls, the lisp naturally occurs, as guys arent meant to sound like that. lol.
-james

Really? Why can you say that? Guess what? A gay high-voiced lisping man naturally occurs in the world, and it doesn't hinder their life, so it's not medically incorrect or not how they're "supposed" to be. In fact, as I said above, it probably helps them get get dates and lead to mating. And all men have estrogen in them. Sure, low levels. So gay men have higher levels. OK.

Okay, just because it wouldn't be right not to post this, as men age, they get higher levels of estrogen. The imbalance of estrogen and testosterone causes health problems. So, are gay men less healthy than straight men in their old age? Or is there something with gay men that somehow makes it all work out? I guess some scientist somewhere will have to do a study sometime.

Disney Duster wrote:The whole "girls in barely male bodies" thing was really offensive. In this day and age, we discover we can grow to be however we want. I guess what it is is typically, men are able to be bigger and build more muscle than women. But since biologically boys can be skinny or "willowy" and still have all the things that really make us men, being big and muscley doesn't equal being male. I suppose waxing hair off our chest and other parts is changing how we are, but girls wax their legs and other parts and that's changing how they are.

I was being sarcastic about characteristics, not waxed chests. Besides, I think to act differently just because you're gay (and that's really the only reason you have to explain why you act the way you do) is ridiculus. I would never talk in a lisp or walk a certain way just because that's "gay." Also, hairiness and deep voices are not straight-only, otherwise I'd just give up. It just so happens that some men don't feel like we need to wax and act feminine to find one another attractive. Sure, lisps and walks help us "identify" one another, but you can do the same by going to a bar or a convention. Not that it's wrong, but it's not necessary for being gay and I find it a bit clique-ish, to be honest.

lol well I certaintly don't have a high lispy voice or walk and talk like a woman heh. In fact I think I have too much testosterone lol...well maybe I don't count because I'm one of those bi people...I think I'm doomed when it comes to meeting other gay men, they'll think I'm straight

But anyways for myself, I've never really generalized people into catagories...I mean just because a guy is gay that doesn't make him girly or feminine, there are all different types of persona's when it comes to different people. Not just because of the fact that your gay or straight.

jeremy88 wrote: lol well I certaintly don't have a high lispy voice or walk and talk like a woman heh. In fact I think I have too much testosterone lol...well maybe I don't count because I'm one of those bi people...I think I'm doomed when it comes to meeting other gay men, they'll think I'm straight

Yes but I think that could work in you favour. Some gays like the idea of "converting" straight men into new territory (plus, they kinda see it as a turn on), so you're not totally doomed

jeremy88 wrote: But anyways for myself, I've never really generalized people into catagories...I mean just because a guy is gay that doesn't make him girly or feminine, there are all different types of persona's when it comes to different people. Not just because of the fact that your gay or straight.

Couldn't agree more! Just because someone hasn't got "camp" stuck on their forehead doesn't mean to say they're not that way. Some gay men are as butch as they come but just because they don't do hair or makeup or act feminine they couldn't possibly be inclined to male company I'm so bored of the stereotype (Yawns)!

I have slight speech problems, but that's been around since grade 3 (damn you Th sounds ) I don't have the high lispy voice. I don't think I walk girly either, I'm too busy making sure I don't trip and fall on my face to pay attention to whether or not I walk like a guy or a girl

I think if some gay guys want to be more extravagent and have the high lispy voice and girly walk, or want to act more girly more power to them if they're comfortable with who they are. Personally I wouldn't act like that, it's just outside of my comfort zone which is small enough as it is. I don't think I'd date anyone like that either simply because it's such a radical difference to my personality.

Well thats good to know lol, I'm not doomed just yet lol. And boo to stereotyping!!! They all get a big

Chernabog_Rocks wrote: Personally I wouldn't act like that, it's just outside of my comfort zone which is small enough as it is.

yeah same here.

After all these comments, I feel ashamed now to be in this thread.

I've just always seemed to naturally act feminine since I was a little kid. I don't try to act out with it, or use it simply to get the attention of other gay guys. It's just something that always been a part of me and who I am.

PrincePhillipFan wrote: I've just always seemed to naturally act feminine since I was a little kid. I don't try to act out with it, or use it simply to get the attention of other gay guys. It's just something that always been a part of me and who I am.

I think it depends on the guy, as I said I wouldn't/don't act like that since it's outside my comfort zone and not really who I am, but that's part of you and you seem/are comfortable with that aspect of who you are. So more power to you as I mentioned before I don't think there's anything wrong with being like that, just like there's nothing wrong with being gay, bi, lesbian etc.

Tim you made me feel bad. But no like I said before everyones different, theres totally nothing wrong with it. Everyone just has a different natural personality thats all.

As far as stereotypes go, I don't think I act or speak particularly feminine-like at all. However, I do often laugh at the fact that from a very shallow point of veiw, I am a stereotype. I'm in my school's show choir and do all the musical theatre and plain theatre I can! All the other guys at my school in those things can sometimes get overly defensive that they are not gay (which I highly, highly doubt) to avoid the stereotype.

I'm pretty sure that, in that sense, I'm not doing to the world of stereotypes any favors.

My mom calls me the "anti-stereotype". I dunno, I guess I'm not overly feminine. I certainly have more girly interests than most men, but it doesn't reflect in the way I present myself to the world.

I don't think there is anything wrong with gay men acting like women, unless it is simply an act. I have a friend who makes himself "gayer" (his term not mine) so that other guys will know he's gay. He turns himself into a walking stereotype and that bugs me. Maybe I'm wrong, but it does. If presenting a feminine aura comes naturally to you, then by all means do it; just don't expect me to ask you out...

Now that may seem harsh and rude, but it's my truth. I'm not attracted to feminine qualities in women, so why would I be in men? Some people don't have this attraction, but I do and I won't feel bad about it. Guys in tight clothes, make up and a bottle or gel don't do anything for me.

The "gay lisp" is something else that bothers me. Mainly because the guy's voice is one of the main factors in determining whether or not I'm attracted to him and the generally high-pitched lispy voice is one that is not greeted fondly by my ears. I mean I have a little bit of one when I say certain words and so does my boyfriend, but to have to listen to, say, Peter Paige's voice all the time would drive me nuts. Again, I mean no disrespect to anybody who may have this particular voice, it just isn't for me.

I guess, like everything in life, it comes down to personal feelings. No two people are attracted to exactly the same type of person. What I find sexy or what comes naturally to me behavioral wise is not the same as anybody else. Gay guys have different tastes too.

^ Same here. To me, if you are naturally more feminine then I don't have a problem with that because you're being real and above all yourself and that is far more likely to attract someone than by acting up. In my opinion, if a guy tried to act more feminine to attract me or get my attention, it would do the complete opposite. For me it is a complete turn off, in fact, I'd might as well date a woman. I like men to be men (no pun intended), but as I've said before, if you are naturally more feminine then it's not a problem and I wouldn't judge you for it (you just wouldn't be my type, that's all).