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Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:31 am
by estefan
Isn't saying there's both "some violence" and "action" kind of unnecessary? If there's action, then it's a given there's some violence.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:59 am
by DisneyFan09
D82 wrote:Raya and the Last Dragon has been rated PG for "some violence, action and thematic elements".
Well, the rating wasn`t a surprise. Most animated movies seems to be rated PG nowadays.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:04 pm
by D82
Young Raya doll, which introduces a new element from the movie; the Kumandra flower:

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Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CJL94vxB1m2/

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:48 pm
by Kyle
estefan wrote:Isn't saying there's both "some violence" and "action" kind of unnecessary? If there's action, then it's a given there's some violence.
Action is just action. What confuses me is why action was ever something you'd put on a maturity label. There's action in preschool shows. What piece of animation/live action does not have action?

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:07 am
by Sotiris
D82 wrote:Young Raya doll, which introduces a new element from the movie; the Kumandra flower.
As a toy, the Kumandra flower looks like a lotus-shaped crystal, but on the packaging it looks more like a will-o'-the-wisp on a lily pad. I wonder if the Kumandra flower and the dragon gem are related in some way.
Kyle wrote:Action is just action. What confuses me is why action was ever something you'd put on a maturity label. There's action in preschool shows. What piece of animation/live action does not have action?
Agreed. The presence of action doesn't really mean anything. It would be more helpful to label peril or suspense instead.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:14 am
by DisneyFan09
D82 wrote:Young Raya doll, which introduces a new element from the movie; the Kumandra flower:

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Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CJL94vxB1m2/
Young Raya looks kind of chubby. No offense.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:14 pm
by D82

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:55 am
by DisneyFan09
Sisu looks almost like a unicorn. And baby Tuk Tuk is just beyond adorable.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:54 am
by D82
New book cover:

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Source: https://www.amazon.es/dp/841833536X/ref=sr_1_5

I've also found the Amazon links to some of the Raya dolls, Baby Tuk Tuk and a couple of other products:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Disney-Princes ... B083W4C95V
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/E9568/dp/B083W6BTPH
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/F1196/dp/B08 ... ref=sr_1_1
https://www.amazon.com.au/DPR-Young-Ray ... B083W7GCF7
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/F1393/dp/B08JQMQBPT
https://www.derivefigurine.com/en/disne ... 91311.html
https://www.kroger.com/p/crest-kids-too ... 3700051884

There are also some items listed on Amazon that don't have an image yet, like a Young Raya and Namari Pack, or a Raya and Tuk Tuk one. I wonder if the Namari doll included in the first pack is also the young version of the character.
DisneyFan09 wrote:Sisu looks almost like a unicorn. And baby Tuk Tuk is just beyond adorable.
I agree with both things. Sisu already looked a bit like a unicorn in the first design, but now probably even more so. I wonder if they made her extra girly to sell at least merchandise of her, given that they probably don't expect the Raya dolls to be too popular since she's not as feminine as other princesses. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, unfortunately the princesses of color don't sell as well as the white ones, am I right?

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:54 pm
by DisneyFan09
D82 wrote:I agree with both things.
Thanks :)
Sisu already looked a bit like a unicorn in the first design, but now probably even more so. I wonder if they made her extra girly to sell at least merchandise of her, given that they probably don't expect the Raya dolls to be too popular since she's not as feminine as other princesses.

Well, it could be.
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, unfortunately the princesses of color don't sell as well as the white ones, am I right?
Sighs. Unfortunately, that`s the case. It`s the sad, unfortunate truth. https://www.mic.com/articles/103458/one ... -diversity

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:41 pm
by Sotiris
D82 wrote:New book cover.
Whenever they try to trace, paint over or otherwise turn the CG clip-art into illustration, it looks bad.
It's interesting they made two versions of the same CG clip-art; one with her holding her sword and another with her holding her other weapon. By the way, has anyone discovered what type of weapon is it supposed to be? 'Cause it's definitely not an axe.
D82 wrote:I wonder if they made her extra girly to sell at least merchandise of her, given that they probably don't expect the Raya dolls to be too popular since she's not as feminine as other princesses.

I hadn't thought of that. Maybe it was indeed a factor.
D82 wrote:Plus, if I'm not mistaken, unfortunately the princesses of color don't sell as well as the white ones, am I right?
That's the popular belief, but we never got any hard data. It's obviously not something Disney or their licensees would be willing to reveal. We've heard from insiders that Tiana costumes don't sell well and that Moana was pushed to become its own brand but her merch didn't sell well enough. We also have a couple of rankings based on Google search data (which don't necessarily reflect sales numbers). We also have a list based on ebay sales in the year 2013-2014. There's not a lot to go on and you can't draw any definitive conclusions.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:14 pm
by D82
Thanks for that article, DisneyFan09, and thanks for all that info, Sotiris. I see it's not easy to know if the princesses of color really sell less than the others, though there are some hints that it could be the case.
Sotiris wrote:By the way, has anyone discovered what type of weapon is it supposed to be? 'Cause it's definitely not an axe.
I guess you're right it's not an axe. It looks more like a sword, but a very strange one. I've googled Southeast Asian weapons, but I haven't found any that was similar to Raya's.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:35 pm
by D82
I don't know if this was already known or not, but according to an Instagram user, the Premier Access to watch Raya and the Last Dragon on Disney+ will cost $29.99 like Mulan.

Also, according to Disney Spain, the film's runtime is 90 minutes.

Here are also another book cover and links to a memory game (that's probably where the image of Raya with the sword comes from) and a Raya costume.

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Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CJWjGd7FLab/

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:46 pm
by Farerb
I guess Disney are not THAT disappointed with Mulan like people think they are, or maybe they believe that a WDAS film will do better. Though is that user reliable or does he just assume this will be the price because that was the price of Mulan?

I'm glad about the 90 minutes, it means that it will have an efficient second act. However, I remember that it was noted that Soul is 90 minutes and it turned out to be 100 minutes instead.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:25 am
by Sotiris
This is the first time we've seen Raya's earlier design without her hat. It's interesting the braid at the top of her head was an element they kept in the new design. I wonder why products keep mixing and matching the outdated clip-art of Raya with the new design of Sisu and of the other characters. Can they not tell the difference or do they think the public can't? Has Disney not send them updated materials in time?

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:21 am
by Redadoodles
D82 wrote:Images of another Raya doll:

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Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CJJR3zZHKfM/
These dolls are mediocre at best and I might not even purchase them which is an insane concept to me as I've been buying Disney dolls since I was a child.
I am beyond tired of the whole "for a Hasbro doll, it looks good" excuse. I mean,Hasbro is the second most successful toy company in the world and they have the resources to produce better products than this.
I remember being in the Hasbro offices just when Disney was about to give them their license and I was told by an employee in secrecy. At the time, I thought it was a brilliant idea as the dolls released by Mattel at the time were quite boring but no need to be an expert to realize that the Mattel products were much better than what we ended up getting. I can't imagine how a live action Emma Watson doll as Belle (or Naomi Scott as Jasmine) would have looked like with Mattel behind it and it's too bad we'll never know.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:26 pm
by D82
Disney Store's Raya doll. It's quite different from the Hasbro one, isn't it?

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Source: https://twitter.com/mmdisney200/status/ ... 5980034050

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:27 pm
by Sotiris
Redadoodles wrote:These dolls are mediocre at best and I might not even purchase them which is an insane concept to me as I've been buying Disney dolls since I was a child. I am beyond tired of the whole "for a Hasbro doll, it looks good" excuse. I mean, Hasbro is the second most successful toy company in the world and they have the resources to produce better products than this.
Hasbro always sucked when it came to doll manufacturing. They have other toys and products that are good, but their dolls are not one of them. Despite a noticeable drop in quality in the last decade, Mattel's still reign supreme, both in materials and in aesthetic.
D82 wrote:Disney Store's Raya doll. It's quite different from the Hasbro one, isn't it?
Yes, the Disney Store dolls aren't produced by Hasbro and are usually of higher quality.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:32 pm
by Redadoodles
D82 wrote:Disney Store's Raya doll. It's quite different from the Hasbro one, isn't it?

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Source: https://twitter.com/mmdisney200/status/ ... 5980034050
This is much better. Thank you! :D
I mean, it's a bit too similar to Pocahontas when it comes to the face mold but I'm definitely getting this one at least.

Re: Raya and the Last Dragon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:45 pm
by DisneyFan09
D82 wrote:Thanks for that article, DisneyFan09
You`re welcome ;)