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Disney Duster wrote:There is nothing cluttered about Frozen. So, what, do you think the story should have just been Anna getting her sister from her ice palace and using love to break the spell? Tell me, how? How could she do it without Elsa being mad and using her powers to cause the spell in the first place because of Anna's too quick love of Hans making it happen? How could Anna have figured out about how to stop her sister's spell without Kristoff taking her to see her, then seeing she failed to break the spell by trying to make her do it without knowing how, and finally learn from both Hans and Kristoff what love really is and how to use that to break the spell and get a happy ending with Elsa? Without Hans, how could Anna have sacrificed herself as an act of true love to break the spell? All of this relates to the romantic love subplot! So it was needed!

The backstory of Anna and Elsa was not cluttered, but I admit there is the plot hole of who was ruling the kingdom till Elsa's coronation. But it's not like that plot hole is fixed in Frozen II or that even more confusing stuff doesn't happen in Frozen II, like what happened to Kristoff during so much of the movie, and what happened to Elsa at the end of "Show Yourself" and why? Frozen II was also darker than Frozen because Olaf dies and Elsa sort of dies and Anna's song (which is a really bad song) feels like a too dark moment for even what I thought was a darker film! They even show the moment their parents died, via ice sculpture!

What were the "single traits" the characters only were in the first movie? Elsa is independent, firm in her beliefs, mature, lost, depressed, and finally loving and happy by the end of Frozen. Anna is quirky, a slob, excitable, yearning for love, lost, sad at times, brave and loving all through Frozen. Kristoff is also a slob, and hard-working, caring, brave, friendly, and loving in Frozen. What more depth is given to Elsa in Frozen II? That she finds out she's special and can rule over even more than Arendelle with the Enchanted Forest? She knew she was special in the first film and every main character was adventurous as she is in the first film because they all go on an adventure away from the home they are used to! Elsa trying to find out about herself is about the same as it was in the first film! What more depth is given to Anna in Frozen II, that she's always worried about Elsa and suddenly ready to rule Arendelle? Yeah, her "inner turmoil" scene didn't fly with me. She just sings about, "I'm in a dark spot, but I'll get out" and she does. What more depth is given to Kristoff in Frozen II? That he feels useless and he'll do anything Anna wants?

As for the tonal.shifts, I don't know how to explain how I feel Frozen's tone was perfect, so we'll agree to disagree there.

Well, obviously we`re not seeing eye to eye here. I`ve always thought that the subplot with Hans/"you can`t marry a man you just met" was simply superfluous and needless for the story. The plotline of Elsa`s struggles and her broken relationship with Anna should`ve been the main focus, but it was very underplayed. Perhaps you thought it was needed to stress the sisterly relationship, but I didn`t thought it was needed. Because it took way much of the focus away from what should`ve been the main focus: Elsa and her struggle. Perhaps I shouldn`t use the word cluttered for the backstory, but I thought it was overloaded, contrived and rushed. I can`t come up with a better storyline to stress the conflict, but an external plotline shouldn`t take away the focus away from the main storyline. Nuff said.

Personally, I thought that Elsa`s personality and characterization was more enhanced in the sequel. Both of her mandatory ballads explains that she has a bigger purpose in her movie and plays with her adventurous sides. I`m not saying that Let it Go doesn`t, but it doesn`t really enhance Elsa`s personality as it should`ve done: Simply because of her limited screentime. And while Anna has a turmoil in the first movie, I really thought that The Next Right Thing was a song that showed some depth in her (despite that I wasn`t particularly fond of that song either). I`ve never said that Kristoff was given more depth or that Frozen II wasn`t dark, but the tone was more consistent in my opinion. The tonal shifts weren`t as obvious as they were in the first film, as the darker scenes felt more harrowing.

And I hope you don`t find my remarks or arguments condescending, but obviously we`re not going to agree here.

Wow. I mean, I just explained how the love between Anna and Hans and Kristoff was needed for the movie and not superfluous. So you're saying Elsa having her powers and not being able to control them, which makes her estranged from her sister, is the main story? And thus, how her magic will be controlled and how the sisters will reunite is the main conflict of the movie? If that's right, then how would the movie fill up it's runtime? Without the Anna's romance with Hans and Kristoff subplot, how would Elsa start the spell, how would Anna get to Elsa, and how would Anna break the spell and help Elsa realize love is what she needs to control her powers? How would that be done without Hans about to kill Elsa? And remember he needs the kingdom to think Anna loved him and would let him rule when she died to want to try to kill Elsa!

And Elsa and Anna's backstory in Frozen was not overloaded! Elsa accidentally freezes Anna a little and loses control. Anna and Elsa grow apart. Their parents die. That's it! How is it contrived? Only the who was running the kingdom pothole is a problem!

As for Elsa in Frozen II, I see what you mean about Elsa having a bigger purpose, but being a queen is already a huge purpose and I don't see why Elsa would need a bigger purpose! Also, having a bigger purpose isn't a character trait, it's a title! It's a job! As for her adventurous side, sure, she did show she was more adventurous, I'll give you that. But "Let it Go" totally shows Elsa's personality, too! She sings about how she has always tried to be perfect and how she wasn't bothered by certain troubles and now she's gonna do what she wants because she's powerful and independent! It totally shows her personality! It "enhances her personality" as you said. Also, I re-listened to "Into the Unknown" and "Show Yourself" and those do about as much for her personality as "Let It Go"! In "Into the Unknown" Elsa doesn't want to leave her.loved ones so she tries to ignore what she is truly meant to be, but she wants to grow to be who she is meant to be. That's some personality, I see, but not more than "Let It Go". In "Show Yourself" she just really wants to know who she is and who's calling her and she finds out she's the fifth spirit and her mom was calling her. That doesn't really enhance her personality. I always wanted Elsa to know how she got her powers, but I never wanted her to leave her loved ones, the ones she desperately wanted to be with in the first movie, to rule the Enchanted Forest! That's ridiculous and feels contrived and just plain wrong!

As for the rest, I don't see more depth in Anna or agree the tone was better in Frozen II, but I can't explain that, so for those things, you're right, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Can we just move the Frozen discussion to the frozen section...I’m literally sick of Frozen overkill, so last thing we need is it popping up in every discussion board...thank..

Disney Duster wrote:Wow. I mean, I just explained how the love between Anna and Hans and Kristoff was needed for the movie and not superfluous. So you're saying Elsa having her powers and not being able to control them, which makes her estranged from her sister, is the main story? And thus, how her magic will be controlled and how the sisters will reunite is the main conflict of the movie? If that's right, then how would the movie fill up it's runtime? Without the Anna's romance with Hans and Kristoff subplot, how would Elsa start the spell, how would Anna get to Elsa, and how would Anna break the spell and help Elsa realize love is what she needs to control her powers? How would that be done without Hans about to kill Elsa? And remember he needs the kingdom to think Anna loved him and would let him rule when she died to want to try to kill Elsa!

And Elsa and Anna's backstory in Frozen was not overloaded! Elsa accidentally freezes Anna a little and loses control. Anna and Elsa grow apart. Their parents die. That's it! How is it contrived? Only the who was running the kingdom pothole is a problem!

As for Elsa in Frozen II, I see what you mean about Elsa having a bigger purpose, but being a queen is already a huge purpose and I don't see why Elsa would need a bigger purpose! Also, having a bigger purpose isn't a character trait, it's a title! It's a job! As for her adventurous side, sure, she did show she was more adventurous, I'll give you that. But "Let it Go" totally shows Elsa's personality, too! She sings about how she has always tried to be perfect and how she wasn't bothered by certain troubles and now she's gonna do what she wants because she's powerful and independent! It totally shows her personality! It "enhances her personality" as you said. Also, I re-listened to "Into the Unknown" and "Show Yourself" and those do about as much for her personality as "Let It Go"! In "Into the Unknown" Elsa doesn't want to leave her.loved ones so she tries to ignore what she is truly meant to be, but she wants to grow to be who she is meant to be. That's some personality, I see, but not more than "Let It Go". In "Show Yourself" she just really wants to know who she is and who's calling her and she finds out she's the fifth spirit and her mom was calling her. That doesn't really enhance her personality. I always wanted Elsa to know how she got her powers, but I never wanted her to leave her loved ones, the ones she desperately wanted to be with in the first movie, to rule the Enchanted Forest! That's ridiculous and feels contrived and just plain wrong!

As for the rest, I don't see more depth in Anna or agree the tone was better in Frozen II, but I can't explain that, so for those things, you're right, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Well, obviously we`re not going to agree here. But at least I`ve tried to show you some coutersy. And no offense, but I think you should do the same.

James Iglehart has a role in the film!

James Iglehart wrote:I am so proud to be a part of this movie! Coming to Disney Plus Fall 2022.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CWNCFGKMUTO/

I'm glad about that. I wonder what character he plays.

Sotiris, DisneyFan09 pmed me about our Frozen chat and there's something wrong with my pm's. I can't send any. Is it because I have to many messages in my inbox?

DisneyFan09 wrote:Regarding our discussion about Frozen: Obviously we`re not going to agree here. And I`m sorry if I offended you. But at least I`ve tried to show you some courtesy. And no offense, but I think you should try to do the same.

I'm not offended, but are you saying the courtesy you showed me was you saying you hope I didn't get offended? Well, ok, I hope you don't get offended too, but I did nothing wrong, I only argued my points.

Disney Duster wrote:Sotiris, DisneyFan09 pmed me about our Frozen chat and there's something wrong with my pm's. I can't send any. Is it because I have to many messages in my inbox?

Maybe. I don't know. Try deleting a few of them and try again. Have you tried sending a message to more than one members? If someone has you blocked, you won't be able to send them a message.

I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it seems that DisneyFan09 can't get PMs in general, there's no button there unlike other users. It could have been disabled or something.

DisneyFan09's PM function was enabled a long time ago, so that can't be it. Duster, if you're still experiencing problems let me know.

Disney Duster wrote:I'm not offended, but are you saying the courtesy you showed me was you saying you hope I didn't get offended? Well, ok, I hope you don't get offended too, but I did nothing wrong, I only argued my points.

Yeah, it was that I meant. But yeah, you didn`t do anything wrong. You only argued your points. But misunderstandings can often happen in discussions. I`ll confess that I was a little offended, but you`re forgiven.

Disney Duster wrote:Sotiris, DisneyFan09 pmed me about our Frozen chat and there's something wrong with my pm's. I can't send any. Is it because I have to many messages in my inbox?

Well, regarding the private message I sent you, I apologize for doing that as well. But it was the exact same thing that I wrote here. Just so everyone knows

Ok, well, I have deleted some messages in my inbox, and tried to PM DisneyFan09 again, it didn't work. Then, fo see what would happen, I PMed Disney's Divinity, and that did work! What's going on?

Thank you Sotiris and also farerb for helping me! How very kind!

DisneyFan09, you do not have to be sorry you PMed me. That was not wrong in anyway. But, you got offended by me just arguing my points? Why were you offended? I did nothing wrong to be forgiven for! Please, do you not understand, I am upset that you are telling me I did something wrong!

Skyler Shuler wrote:Disenchanted testing next week!

Source: https://imgur.com/a/oXvlewy

Sotiris wrote:

Skyler Shuler wrote:Disenchanted testing next week!

Source: https://imgur.com/a/oXvlewy

Excuse my ignorance, but testing for what? Post-production?
*Edit* or test screenings??

I think it's a test screening, but I'm not sure.

Forgive me if this has already been answered, but has there been any confirmation of animation in the film yet?

Deep down I feel that even if there is still no news, it's very unlikely the film will be devoid of animation as I am certain Disney knows very well the internet will want the company's heart on a spit if they fail to bring back the animated component in the sequel.

Then again, they might just risk it to see how pissed off people will be. (While munching popcorn.)

Jules wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered, but has there been any confirmation of animation in the film yet?

Yes, Patrick Dempsey revealed in an interview that there will be animation in the film. I don't remember if anyone else has mentioned it too. We still don't know if it's going to be 2D or CG, though. But Godmothered, which was also a Disney+ original movie, had 2D animation, so I don't see why Disenchanted can't have the same kind of animation.

But we hope to God the animation is better in this film than in Godmothered.

Reshoots for the film are underway.

And why are they casting again? Are they going to add new characters to the story?