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Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:13 am
by WillytheDino
I saw a clip on instagram of Jodi Benson singing Vanessa's song and explaining how she was trying to act as pat carroll during that song. I can't find it anywhere on youtube but it was nice to see that.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:30 am
by D82
WillytheDino wrote:I saw a clip on instagram of Jodi Benson singing Vanessa's song and explaining how she was trying to act as pat carroll during that song. I can't find it anywhere on youtube but it was nice to see that.
The full panel has been uploaded!

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:26 pm
by Escapay
D82 wrote:
DisneyFan09 wrote:I hope the full panels get uploaded.
I wanted to watch the Tarzan and the Fun and Fancy Free panels, but it seems nobody has uploaded them yet. Maybe they weren't recorded by any attendee. If that's the case, I hope Disney releases them at same point like they did with the Hercules panel from the previous Expo.
I took copious notes at both those panels. Aside from the deleted songs and pencil animation, much of the content from the Fun and Fancy Free panel is already covered in greater detail in Kaufman's new book, so I'd recommend getting the book instead (and it'll save me transcribing my F&FF notes haha). If I have time later this week, I'll try to upload the deleted songs from Fun and Fancy Free.

In the meantime, here's a summary of what happened at the Tarzan panel:

After a montage of moments from the film, Wayne Knight reminded the audience that no photographs or recording was allowed (I still took some when I could, discreetly of course), then introduced the directors Chris Buck and Kevin Lima. Lima recalled how he was just finishing A Goofy Movie when Katzenberg offered him Tarzan. He wanted Tarzan done at a new satellite studio in Vancouver, but Lima - who had been based in France for A Goofy Movie did not want to move to a new studio with untried talent. Katzenberg left the company soon afterward, and Michael Eisner told Lima that the studio still wanted to do Tarzan, but that it would primarily be animated in Burbank.

Lima then recommended Chris Buck to help co-direct the film. Buck was not eager to take on the project initially, since the property had been done in film so many times before. In addition, he had not yet directed a feature film for the studio, and had seen the effect directing had taken on his co-workers and their families. His children were young at the time, so he was unsure if he wanted to go through that same experience. However, on a skiing trip with his family, he came across a Reader's Digest that offered a proverb ("You'll regret what you didn't do rather than what you did") which he saw as a sign that he should do Tarzan.

Lima and Buck knew they had to bring something new to the story, and focused on how Tarzan and his ape family is a deeply emotional allegory for adoption, along with a nature-vs-nurture argument. In addition, because they were working with animation, they knew they could make him move in ways not possible with live-action actors, his musculature and build simply couldn't be done with a traditional human. An animated Tarzan would help to "animalize" the character into more believable ways than live actor ever could. Also, animation could help hide the artificiality of the jungle that was often prevalent in most Tarzan films over the years. The book also takes Tarzan to America, but L&B wanted to ensure the action in the story remained in the Jungle, hence the changed ending with Jane staying behind in the jungle. One of them then mentioned how "Strangers Like Me" is basically the reverse Henry Higgins and Eliza Doolittle - a wild man wanting to learn from an educated woman.

The team took research trips to Kenya and Uganda to better study the jungle settings and animal habitats. This included a safari that led them to a habitat for red elephants - red because of the clay and the dirt in their area. At that point, Wayne Knight interjected "I grew up in Georgia where there's red clay; if I rolled in that, I'd have understood my character more!", to which Kevin Lima retorted, "We wouldn't have had to animate you, then!"

They then showed a short clip from their visit to the Sweetwater Gorilla Habitat, which was in Kenya. Because of the nature of the gorillas they were observing, they could only see the babies, none of the adults. After the Kenya trip, they went up into the mountains of Uganda to search for their gorillas. It was a long hike to find them because these gorillas are nomadic and do not stay in one location. After two days of hiking, they finally came across a family, but could only spend an hour with them. And the time was limited to just the mothers and babies - they were instructed to not look at the adult male (Silverback), lest it be misconstrued as a threat and the Silverback would attack them. A short clip of the Uganda trip was then shown. Neither of these clips are on the DVD, which does feature some research trip footage. Chris Buck also noted, "As noble as they are, they eat a lot of bamboo and roughage. We get there and here them all farting at the same time." He added that they made sure not to include that in the movie.

Bonnie Arnold, the producer, then joined the panel and talked about coming on as producer after working on Toy Story. One of the first things she did was get in touch with Phil Collins about music for the film. She gave him just an outline to work with at first. Based simply on that outline, Collins sent back three cassette tapes of demos. The first one, dated August 8, 1995, was for "Music Medley." The second, from November, was merely labeled "New Idea." A third cassette didn't have a date on it, and its writing was obscured but (I'm assuming) was "Son of Man," since Arnold mentioned that was one of the earliest songs written for the film. She stressed again that these demos came about simply from Collins' reading of the treatment, and not a full script or storyboards, so she was impressed with the quality of them. Phil Collins wrote Tarzan primarily for his daughter Lily, not just the usual "I want something my kids can listen to" line, but she was also his inspiration for the songs.

Kevin Lima then mentions how - amidst everything they did in the film - they simply couldn't imagine a naked man hanging on a branch singing an "I Want" song, which is why they liked Collins' narrative approach for the songs.

Chris Buck then interjected, "But they did it on Broadway."

To which Lima, humorously defeated, admits "They proved us wrong."

(As an aside, having seen the stage version of Tarzan, it does get away with Tarzan hanging off a branch and singing songs, but most of the stage songs aren't as good as the film's. But it does have stellar choreography.)

Collins was living in Switzerland at the time, and if it wasn't tapes airmailed to Burbank, they would listen to songs live over the speakerphone. Arnold still has all the faxed notes that Collins would send, especially regarding "Trashing the Camp." It took 18 months of back-and-forth with Collins before they reached a version everyone agreed on. The filmmakers would send storyboards, Collins would send back a song, it would get re-boarded again, Collins would change the song, etc.

The filmmakers also made sure to give a shout-out to composer Mark Mancina, who managed to take Collins' songs and weave the themes into his own underscore for the film, the two also collaborated independently with each other to ensure the score and songs were consistent and cohesive. We then saw the early presentation reel (also on the DVD), which they explained was first screened at the Frankfurt Book Fair in Germany, and used an early Collins demo.

A run-through of the voice cast followed - aside from Knight, none of the other voice cast was present, but Tony Goldwyn did send an audio message. Chris Buck explains that when they were casting the voice for Tarzan, they wanted an older, more adult voice as it seemed the trend for Disney films to have younger male leads (Aladdin, Simba, Hercules). In addition, they not only loved Goldwyn's voice, but they used some of his facial features within Tarzan himself - namely his eyes and his nose. Goldwyn's message was played, amounting mainly to "sorry I couldn't be there to celebrate with the fans, but thank you for the support all these years." We then saw recording footage of Goldwyn recording the Tarzan yell, which Buck & Lima also mention was combined with other elements in order to make it more musical and unique when compared to the iconic Weissmuller yell.

Kevin Lima then talked about casting Minnie Driver as Jane. They originally listened for voices that were much more straight-laced, but eventually all the voice auditions were very... Victorian. Driver surprised them and they both agreed she was their Jane. She gave the character the comedic chops they were looking for.

Brian Blessed filled the role of Clayton perfectly, as the voice they wanted was something akin to a classic 1930s game hunter. At one point during a recording session, Blessed ran up to the glass at the booth and yelled, "I KILLED A MAN ONCE!" That's one of the more memorable moments the directors recalled from working with Blessed. They also put to rest the rumor that he actually did the Tarzan yell in the film. He recorded one when they were testing yells, but his was not used. Buck also took that time to rest another rumor to rest: "Can I put one rumor to rest that is partly my fault? I said it as a joke once on Reddit." He was referring, of course, to the whole "Anna and Elsa's parents survived the shipwreck and built a treehouse in Africa with their baby son... Tarzan." Everyone laughed at that and several applauded.

When Nigel Hawthorne (Professor Porter) came in to record, he always wore a finely-starched shirt. He's the epitome of a British gentleman, so he was a class act all the way. The only problem was that every time he recorded, if he moved ever so slightly, the microphone would pick up the crunchity-crunch rustle of his shirt. They joked that he'd have to record his part shirtless.

Everyone loved Glenn Close's voice, felt it was very warm and maternal. Unlike Hawthorne, Close did not wear any clothes that rustled into the microphone. Rather, her first recording session was in a studio right by train tracks. So they would have to time recordings in between whenever trains passed through. Also, because they had Close on the cast, it settled a debate the directors had on who would and wouldn't sing in the film. They didn't want to pass up using her voice in a song, so "You'll Be In My Heart" was written to have her lead off the song in its "lullaby" form, then close it out at the end with the word "Always." Two versions of "You'll Be In My Heart" was recorded. Both feature Close and Collins, but with one notable difference. In one version, the word "Always" is sung by Close. In another, she whispers it. Whenever Chris Buck was driving his kids around, he'd play the Tarzan songs in the car, and he noticed that they would listen to the sung version of "Always." BUT, whenever it was the whispered version, they would repeat it back. Buck realized the whispered version had a greater impact on kids, so that's the version they used.

With Lance Henriksen, he was eager to play a good guy after years of always playing bad/villainous guys in movies that his son couldn't watch. He signed on for Tarzan knowing his son could definitely watch it. When the time came to record his death scene, nobody was in the right "space" so to speak. They couldn't get the performance they wanted, and Henriksen couldn't deliver it how he felt it should be done. So they laid him on a couch, put a stack of heavy books on his chest, and turned off the lights. Kevin Lima then read the lines for Tarzan, with Henriksen giving his lines as Kerchak. It took twenty minutes to get the right sense of life leaving his voice, but ultimately, this was the vocal performance used in the film.

Rosie O'Donnell's Terk (or Terkina) is discussed, also noting on how her gender is confusing. The role was intentionally made a girl even though many thought the character was a male, so the end result is slightly androgynous. However, they wanted a female comedian in order to make Terk & Tantor not mimic the Timon/Pumbaa dynamic of The Lion King. At the film's premiere, Rosie O'Donnell took Wayne Knight by the arm and whispered, "pretend we're best friends!" It was the first time the two actually met, as they didn't actually work together when recording. But O'Donnell knew that their on-screen banter and chemistry worked so well, so they had to sell the idea that they had worked together when recording, as people would have never guessed otherwise.

Wayne Knight then revealed that his inspiration for Tantor came mostly from a food critic on KABC, Merrill Shindler. He wanted to emulate the sage, sometimes haughty, voice of the critic to better get across Tantor's own neurotic tone. Also, the directors apologized to Knight for some of the voice work they made him do. Knight humorously recounted how, because Tantor runs around a lot, he's always panting. And so some of his ADR days was him running in place and panting, over and over again. Rather than show us Knight panting in the recording booth, though, we got to see him record the line "We didn't even get to say goodbye" in three different tones.

After all the talk about the voice actors, focus then shifted to the animators. Glen Keane unfortunately could not make it to the panel as he was recovering from surgery. However, he did send a video. We saw, across probably three or four minutes, Keane draw Tarzan again after twenty years, set to "Son of Man." It then cut to a shot of him, again like Goldwyn, thanking everyone for their support and celebrating Tarzan, and that he wished he could be there.

Keane was living in Paris at the time, and wanted to animate from there (at the satellite studio). It ended up being beneficial for them, as they would send him notes one night, he'd get them in the morning, spend his day working on a scene or shot, then send it back to Burbank. Because of the time zone, when he was done his work, they would just be starting theirs, and they'd already have material from Paris to work with. They'd also do a lot of video conferencing, which meant a lot of Buck or Lima climbing on tables, moving around to give Keane a sense of how they wanted Tarzan to move as well.

The next two animators brought out were Ken Duncan and Bruce W. Smith. Duncan worked on Jane, while Smith handled Kerchak. Duncan had previously animated Meg from Hercules, and his first approach to Jane made her more reserved. However, once Minnie Driver came aboard as Jane, he injected more humor into her movement as well. He was inspired a lot by her poses during the recording sessions as well, especially for the "they took my boot!" scene. A historical expert was brought in to explain to Duncan all the different layers that an Englishwoman would have worn at the time, thus giving him a better understanding of how it would move. Jane would start off with lots of clothing, and thus move about uncomfortably. Throughout the film, she becomes more relaxed, and the transformation is reflected in her wardrobe as she sheds more and more. Her character evolved through her clothing. Duncan also hated drawing the hat, which is why it was one of the first things to go.

We then saw the original pencil animation for the "they took my boot!" scene, which was unique for scenes in the film as it lasted 1100 frames as one long "take" so to speak. The entire thing took six weeks to animate. Another scene we got to see in pencil form was the "tickle feet" scene, when Tarzan tickles her feet and she eventually kicks him. Initially, his animation for this scene was more mechanical. He then tickled his wife's feet to get better inspiration, and that's what's used in the film. Duncan also credits his wife for Jane's animation, as she was the head clean-up artist on all the Jane scenes.

Bruce W. Smith then talked about animating Kerchak, which was a very big deal for him. He had not been given such a prominent character before, he was used to more broad background characters such as the ones he did on Who Framed Roger Rabbit. He had finished up on Space Jam (also with Wayne Knight) when he was hired for Tarzan. To get the gravity and seriousness of Kerchak, Smith had to "flip [his] toolkit" of everything he had done before. At one point, Smith had to visualize Kerchak as a villain in order to better understand how to animate him. But he also took inspiration from his stepfather: quiet, sometimes grumpy, unflinching. Smith also joked that while the directors went to Kenya and Uganda for their research trip, he want all the way to... the L.A. Zoo. And because these gorillas are in captivity, they do absolutely nothing but sit there. This, too, inspired Kerchak's silent nature. Smith said that he had to resort to finding bootleg videos of two gorillas fighting online in order to get inspiration for other scenes. Wayne Knight asked, "Black market footage? Where do you find that?!?" Smith coyly replied, "You're asking too many questions!"

Smith brought the discussion back to Glen Keane by also mentioning that he was utterly intimidated that he'd be working with the Master. I forget the comparison he gave, but basically he felt very much an "I'm not worthy to touch his brushes" kind of feeling. Bringing it back to Glen Keane also meant they talked about the process of animating Tarzan. Keane's son was very much into skateboarding at the time, and so Tarzan's movements was inspired by his son skateboarding along with the likes of Tony Hawk.

At this point, my phone rang and I had to take the call, so I was talking on the phone while paying half-attention to when Eric Daniels joined the panel. He was talking about the backgrounds in the film as well as the deep canvas process. We saw a few shot demonstrations (some similar to what's on the DVD), but ultimately they ran out of time as the panel was supposed to end at 7:00 and it was already 7:05. So they had to get everyone off the stage in order to have Matthew Morrison perform his mini concert. He opened with "You'll Be in My Heart," after which he talked briefly about his own history with Tarzan. Mainly, he was cast as Tarzan in the workshop for the Broadway musical. But, and this is when I started tuning out, he was mainly there to express his gratitude to Disney for letting him peruse through their entire music catalog in order to pick songs for his Disney album. I don't mind Morrison, he's a fine singer and all, but his concert was only tangentially related to Tarzan by virtue of him starting it with "You'll Be In My Heart."

The concert then consisted of a few other Disney songs. I listened to "When You Wish Upon a Star" before I noticed that the entire panel of speakers were literally just standing about fifteen feet from me, watching the concert and occasionally chatting with each other. Knowing I'd probably never get this chance again, I decided to leave my seat early and went up to talk to them. I was mostly starstruck by Chris Buck & Kevin Lima, but managed to tell them all that I've loved Tarzan ever since it came out, that I played the soundtrack constantly in high school and college, and that the DVD was one of the first Disney DVDs I'd ever owned. I actually brought the DVD insert with me, in the rare chance that I would actually get to talk to them, and that rare chance actually occurred. I didn't want to press my luck any further by asking for a selfie (and the hall was still darkened for Morrison's concert), so I asked if they could sign the insert for me. And they did:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1nH5PbgGjw/

Albert

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:42 am
by blackcauldron85
^So, so cool!!! Thank you for sharing!! I'm so glad you got to meet them!
Escapay wrote:Duncan also hated drawing the hat, which is why it was one of the first things to go.
The other day I read that Frollo's animators hated drawing his hat, too!!

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:01 am
by D82
Thank you so much for taking the time to transcribe all your notes, Escapay! I really appreciate it. It was all really interesting. There were many things about the making of the movie I didn't know, and it was so well described that I felt like I was attending the panel while I was reading it. And it's great that you got to meet the filmmakers! You were very lucky.
Escapay wrote:Aside from the deleted songs and pencil animation, much of the content from the Fun and Fancy Free panel is already covered in greater detail in Kaufman's new book, so I'd recommend getting the book instead (and it'll save me transcribing my F&FF notes haha).
Yes, I think I'll do that. I'm sure it's a great book.
Escapay wrote:If I have time later this week, I'll try to upload the deleted songs from Fun and Fancy Free.
Yes, please! That would be amazing! :D
Escapay wrote:After a montage of moments from the film, Wayne Knight reminded the audience that no photographs or recording was allowed
That's probably why there weren't any recordings of the panel on Youtube. Was recording also forbidden at other similar panels too, or only at this panel?

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:43 am
by Rumpelstiltskin
I'm surprised that no more people try to film with google glasses. Unless the guards are checking those as well before you enter.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:46 pm
by DisneyFan09
Escapay wrote:I took copious notes at both those panels.
Thank you so much for your notes and summary, Albert! To use an expression that is used regularly in Chile: You truly outdid yourself! Though Tarzan wasn't my very first Disney film on DVD, it was certainly one of them, so the Collector's Edition truly means a lot to me, after hearing raves about the Audio Commentary and the rest of the bonus features, I felt that it was worth my money.

Did you attend the panel for Aladdin as well?
D82 wrote:That's probably why there weren't any recordings of the panel on Youtube.
Most likely. *Sighs*. Yet I'm surprised that they weren't streamed live, as some other panels were, since those panels weren't as exclusive as those for the upcoming movies, for example.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:47 pm
by Escapay
blackcauldron85, D82, DisneyFan09 wrote:^So, so cool!!! Thank you for sharing!! I'm so glad you got to meet them!

Thank you so much for taking the time to transcribe all your notes, Escapay!

Thank you so much for your notes and summary, Albert!
You're welcome!
D82 wrote:Was recording also forbidden at other similar panels too, or only at this panel?
It differed according to the panels. Some woud allow all recording, others would say "pictures, but no video" and the Walt Disney Studios panel was the strictest: not only was all recording banned, attendees were given plastic bags in which they'd have to put their phones in and seal it. Only the media section were granted phone/laptop access, and then only to use for live-messaging (a.k.a. Twitter updates).

The Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, and Tarzan panels had perfunctory warnings against recording, but it was a very loose guideline and most people followed it while a few intrepid rebels (myself included) took their phones out every so often to record something. Nobody was pulled out of the panel for it, unlike at the Disney+ panel where a couple in the row ahead of me were told to leave when it became apparent they were live-streaming the entire thing.
DisneyFan09 wrote:Did you attend the panel for Aladdin as well?
I did! It was probably my favorite panel of the entire weekend.

Scott Weinger hosted the panel and started things off, recounting the story about how he sent in his audition tape when he was fifteen years old, but didn't hear back from them for a year. He had no idea just how big a deal it was to be voicing a character - let alone the lead - in a Disney film. This led into an audience sing-along of "Prince Ali" with a bunch of dancers on the stage (all likely the performers for Mickey's Magical Map, as the show was supposed to play at Fantasyland Theatre that day but was canceled). Weinger then pointed out that he is clearly not a singer, but lied and said he was when they asked. His lack of singing abilities were then made apparent when the directors asked him to sing "Proud of Your Boy." (We'll get to hear that actual audition tape later.) However, the directors had already hired Weinger on the strength of his speaking voice and personality, and decided rather than start from scratch with auditions, to hire a singing voice as well.

Brad Kane was then brought out to discuss his audition. He was only a senior in high school when he sent in his audition tape - him singing "Proud of Your Boy" - to Disney. Like Weinger, it would be a year before he'd hear from them about the role. By then, he was already living in Los Angeles, and had to fly back to New York for another audition - this time with Lea Salonga. Their audition was the two of them singing "A Whole New World." However, the well-known footage of them singing the song is not that actual audition, but later when they already had the parts. Kane's first recorded song was actually "One Jump Ahead," which was done live in studio with the full 70-piece orchestra. Having the drums and other instruments leading into the number helped him *jump* into the role almost immediately. Glen Keane was on hand at the recording session, and borrowed some of Kane's creative decisions on the song for animating Aladdin. In particular, for one take, Kane sang the line "I think I'll take a stroll around the block" as a vocal aside, kind of having the words escape his mouth and stationary lips. Keane borrowed that little gesture and gave it to Aladdin on that line as well.

When Kane was recording for Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast had *just* come to theatres, so he was already in awe of Menken's songs - as he had already been familiar with Little Shop of Horrors, too. So working with him in the recording booth felt like working with a living legend, even in 1991. We then saw, which I don't think has ever been seen in public before, actual recording session footage of Menken directing Kane for the "One Jump Ahead" reprise. Aladdin DVD supplements usually show the "A Whole New World" recording session, so seeing the vulnerability on Kane's face as he sang the "One Jump Ahead" reprise was a real treat.

Weinger asked if Kane still remembered all the lyrics to "One Jump Ahead," which of course he did. He performed the song live, again with the Disney dancers, and proved that he's still got it. (For a flashback: four years back at the 2015 D23 Expo's panel on Aladdin, Kane had talked about how he largely works behind the scenes now, and hasn't sung professionally in years. After the initial promotion for Aladdin during 1992/3, he had only sung "A Whole New World" once - at his wedding in 2007 - and singing it at D23 2015 would be the first time since then. Given that "A Whole New World" is the more recognizable of songs from the film, I imagine this was likely Kane's first time singing "One Jump Ahead" professionally since 1991.)

The two then talked about the song that brought them together: "Proud of Your Boy," or namely how Weinger's inability to sing it brought Kane onto the production... and then they cut the song. Weinger noted that when given the demo tape for "Proud of Your Boy," it brought his mother to tears in the car. Kane retorted, "Because she knew you'd never be able to sing it!" which got a huge laugh from the audience and Weinger, too. Weinger then admitted that yes, he knows he's not a good singer. But he's been practicing, and has proof.

We then saw a clip from what I now know is likely the "Aladdin on Aladdin" documentary, featuring Weinger visiting with Alan Menken. He plays for Menken his original "Proud of Your Boy" audition tape (lovingly transferred and preserved from cassette to an iPod shuffle), which Menken gives notes on. Then, with some persuasion and a trill on the piano keys, Menken gently urges Weinger to sing the song. And he sings it, all the while with Menken's pet dog hovering in and out of the frame throughout the song. (The audience notices this, too.) At the end, Kane gave Weinger his approval. "So you're proud of your boy?" Weinger asked. "I am Proud of my boy!" Kane affirms. "[Menken's] dog is my biggest fan," Weinger finishes.

The two then talk about how even though "Proud of Your Boy" didn't make it into the '92 film, it would finally be re-instated into the Aladdin story with the Broadway musical. At this point, they bring out Clinton Greenspan, the current Aladdin on the national tour. He talks about auditioning for the role in 2016. Like Weinger and Kane before him, Greenspan didn't hear back from the producers until a year after his audition, and within a week of that callback, had to start rehearsals and a final audition: singing "Proud of Your Boy" for director Casey Nicholaw. Greenspan wouldn't actually join the tour until April 2018, and also shared the news at the panel that when his time with the tour was up, he would be taking over as Aladdin on Broadway. Quite literally, this is going to happen a week from now.

The three Aladdins then dove into some rather basic show stats, read by Kane and with reactions by Weinger and Greenspan:
- Weinger actually saw the first staged production of Aladdin in Toronto, this was the 2011 version before all its fine-tuning that eventually led to the 2014 Broadway debut.
- Since 2014, over 7000 wishes have been granted nightly.
- Along with shooting 85,000 fireworks in the New Amsterdam Theatre.
- The magic carpet has flown 63 miles on that stage in these past five years.
- A single show uses 337 costumes.
- And just one pair of pants has 428 crystals sewn in.

Weinger then said, at long last, "Proud of Your Boy" would be sung "the way God and Alan Menken intended it" and Greenspan did a live performance of the song. Of all the performances I've seen of "Proud of Your Boy," Greenspan's is definitely the best. As an aside, I'm still hoping that the holy-grail audition tape of Brad Kane singing "Proud of Your Boy" exists somewhere in the Disney archives. But given that he can still sing "One Jump Ahead," I hope maybe he'll be inclined to properly record "Proud of Your Boy" all these years later.

After all this attention on the three Aladdins, Weinger then noted that they couldn't have Aladdin without Jasmine.
Linda Larkin was brought on stage to share her audition story. She had moved to New York City at 17, with the intention of being a dancer. However, a series of acting opportunities instead brought her to Los Angeles. She read an audition for Aladdin, and like Weinger thought nothing of it. She just knew it was a cartoon. Unlike any of the Aladdins, it did not take a year for Larkin to get a callback, just four months. Her first audition at that four-month callback was what really spoke to her in the sense that she realized how big a project this would be. Her favorite scene in the movie, for sentimental reasons, was her actual audition scene. And we then cut to a clip of that audition. An off-camera person is feeding the Aladdin lines to Larkin, who is playing Disguised Jasmine:

Jasmine: "I want to thank you for stopping that man. Not many people would have done that."
Aladdin: "So this is your first time in the marketplace, huh?"
Jasmine: "Is it that obvious?"
Aladdin: "Well, you do kind of stand out. You don't seem to know how dangerous Agrabah can be."
Jasmine: "I"m a fast learner."

(cut to later in the scene)

Jasmine: "Oh, sure. People who tell you where to go and how to dress."
Aladdin: "It's better than here. Always scraping for food and ducking the guards."
Jasmine: "You're not free to make your own choices."
Aladdin: "Sometimes you feel so..."
Jasmine: You're just..."
Both: "Trapped."

Again, this was the actual audition tape we were watching, not the recording session footage. So it was a sight to behold, because this was likely the first time Larkin was reading these lines for the camera.

Weinger then asked if she had an equally tragic singing story as him. Larkin told him no, mainly because when she was hired for Jasmine, she didn't have a song. (Not disclosed at the panel but general knowledge for Aladdin aficionados: by this point in pre-production, "Call Me A Princess" had already been dropped, and "A Whole New World" was not yet written, which supports Larkin's story. Further confirming this is a June 1991 script that featured the "Whole New World" magic carpet montage, but the stage directions note that it's just a montage. No song was attached to it.) When "A Whole New World" was added to the script, they asked her if she could sing. Larkin was upfront and honest and told them she couldn't. Since they already hired Brad Kane to sing for Scott Weinger, it set precedent on the production to have a singing voice for Linda Larkin, and thus Lea Salonga was brought in.

(And now, this is where it gets somewhat confusing, as earlier Kane said his and Salonga's audition was "A Whole New World," although his first recorded song was "One Jump Ahead." Yet Larkin makes it sound like Kane had already been hired for "One Jump Ahead" when they later wrote "A Whole New World" which necessitated hiring Salonga. Then again, this was all 28 years ago for them, so the memory likely cheats. The important thing is Kane and Salonga were hired as the singing voices.)

The lack of Jasmine's song in the '92 film led to the creation of one for the 2003 Disney California Adventure stage show, "To Be Free." And who better to talk about that song and show than the original Jasmine from that production: Deedee Magno Hall. Weinger noted that D23 flew Deedee all the way in from GUAM for this panel, and Hall clarified that no, she does not live there. Rather, she and her husband Clifton are performing in an international tour of Mamma Mia, with a stop in Guam. Hall shared her own Disney history, which started in 1989 when The Disney Channel brought back The Mickey Mouse Club. The Aladdin panel turned out to not only be a reunion of Aladdin cast, but of MMC audition kids. Hall had auditioned for MMC with... Brad Kane. While Hall was hired for MMC (she stayed on the series until 1993), Kane was not (although clearly his career has not suffered for it). This was the first time they reunited and shared a stage together since their original MMC audition.

But back to "To Be Free." The underscore from Jasmine's garden scene became the new melody for "To Be Free," which Hall then performed live: her first time since leaving the Hyperion show in 2007. She had stayed with the show for four years (2003-2007), which is where she met and married her husband. But she left the series to have her first child. Also, quite obviously, a pregnant Jasmine on a magic carpet was a safety hazard. She gave a shoutout to all the Aladdin DCA cast members in the audience, as the show ended in 2016. Honestly, I still miss it myself. Only got to see it thrice during its run (2009, 2011, 2015) and while Frozen does look good on that stage, that Aladdin production was still amazing - and in some respects, better than Broadway's.

So by now, the panel had talked about the '92 Aladdin on film, the '14 Aladdin on Broadway, and the '03 Aladdin in theme parks. But Weinger felt it was time to talk about the newest Aladdin.

"Oh, you mean the one hat eared over A BILLION DOLLARS?" Larkin asked knowingly and with a bit of pride in her voice.

"That's the one!" Weinger proclaimed. The two of them then showed a complete VFX breakdown of Giant Iago chasing Aladdin along the streets of Agrabah, showcasing all the different layers needed to bring that scene together. It felt kind of like "DVD Bonus Features: Live" so I ate it all up. But, more importantly, a new Aladdin also brought about a new song for Jasmine. Rather than use "To Be Free" or a Broadway song, "Speechless" was inspired by a line of dialogue from the '92 film, when Jafar tells Jasmine, "You're speechless, I see. A fine quality for a wife." Menken, Pasek, & Paul ran with that line and used it as a cue for Jasmine to empower herself by not allowing herself to be speechless.

"Speechless" was then sung live on the stage, not by Naomi Scott (who didn't attend the panel), but by Lillias White - the voice of head muse Calliope from Hercules. It seemed fitting for White to sing the part, as she brought a whole level of DIVA to the song that Scott doesn't quite achieve in the film. (Scott is a great singer, but White is frickin' Calliope.) My one concern is that White held back for the first half of the song, she doesn't really let loose on it until the second half. White also briefly talked about being hired for Hercules, the animators asked her what they wanted her muse to look like and she told them she wanted a reinvented version of her self: tall, skinny, with big hair inspired by an African Gele. This segued into how Aladdin, too, was reinvented for the screen with the 2019 film.

And, of course, a reinvented Aladdin means someone else playing the role. Mena Massoud then emerged from the stage, kind of cheesily, with Linda Larkin rubbing a lamp and wishing for him to appear. But he showed up, and the audience squealed as if the Beatles had been reincarnated on that stage. (I may have contributed to that cacophony, too.) He talked about how he had seen the open audition trending online, and decided to give it a shot. Sent in an audition tape, and - like Larkin - heard back after four months. As he is based in Canada, he had to fly out to London twice for a screen test before getting the part. Massoud attributed his stage training to helping him get the role, as it kept him physically active and ready for the intense six-week training needed to do all the parkour work on the film.

Rather than show off the parkour stuff (I mean, they could have, the stage was quite elaborate), Massoud introduced "Desert Moon." This is a "Musical Journey of Aladdin" panel after all, not a general making-of. He explained that the song was shot in both Jordan and London. Scott's parts were done on the London soundstages, while Massoud's was done during their two-week location shooting in Jordan. He loved the location shooting as he got to speak Arabic to the locals (Massoud is Egyptian), and it was a great experience overall. There wasn't much talk as to why "Desert Moon" was deleted, but we got to see the full performance of it, which is also on the digital and Blu-Ray release.

Continuing with previews of the Blu-Ray, Massoud then showed the gag reel for the film, following it up with talking about working with Will Smith. In particular, their work on "Friend Like Me." Because of the intricacies of that number, it took five weeks to film it all. And this wasn't just working with Will Smith, but also with choreographer Jamal Sims and assistant choreographer (and Aladdin stand-in) Nicky Andersen. They'd have to shoot multiple, multiple sequences that wouldn't come together until editing. So sometimes he's dancing opposite Smith, sometimes opposite Sims, sometimes Smith is dancing opposite Andersen, etc.

After a brief video message from Will Smith, Massoud then brings out Sims, who talks about how he was brought onto the film. He had done the Hannah Montana movie, and was remembered for that work when he was offered Aladdin. He interviewed with Guy Ritchie directly on Skype, and in a twist compared to every other story, there was no waiting a year or four months to hear back, he was hired right away. Sims can also be seen in the film as the "Y'all Seen My Palace?" Prince, a sort of thank you for his work on the film. After Sims' bit, he brings out Nicky Andersen who - along with a whole troupe of performers (but not the Disney ones from much earlier in the production) do a complete live performance of "Friend Like Me." It brings the house down and we can't imagine there's any more they can do for this panel...

Then Scott Weinger comes out once more to tell us they've got one more surprise performance: Regina Belle, who sang the original pop version of "A Whole New World." She comes out and talks about how she's been a fan of Disney ever since her childhood. She lived outside Orlando in the 60s/70s, and literally saw Walt Disney World being built while she was growing up. So she was very proud to have been offered the chance to sing "A Whole New World" for Aladdin. At the time, she was on tour, also suffering from both bronchitis and a 102-degree fever when she had to record "A Whole New World" in studio with Peabo Bryson. Still, she made it through the sessions, all these years later, you can barely hear her sickness on the tracks. Bryson could not join, but Belle brought in "a long time friend of mine... as of yesterday" to fill his shoes: Norm Lewis a.k.a. King Triton from Broadway's The Little Mermaid. Lewis also played the first African-American Phantom of the Opera on Broadway, as well as Javert in the 2006 stage revival of Les Misérables. (You can also see him in the 25th Anniversary Concert on Blu-Ray/DVD.) The two of them performed "A Whole New World" together, and then all the attendees rejoined the stage for a very impromptu dance of "Friend Like Me," which was the true closing of the panel.

As the audience shuffled out - probably ten or fifteen minutes past the 7:00 end time, security was already directing everyone off the show floor and towards the exit as the Expo was done for the day. Most of the talent left via backstage, but Sims, Andersen, and their dancing posse walked the show floor to get to the exit. Most of us audience members recognized them immediately since they were still sporting their costumes from the panel, and cheered them on as they walked through. I wanted to get a picture with them, but by now a crowd had gathered, and we had plans to hit Disneyland once we changed out of Expo clothes, so I let them go.

Albert

ETA: After posting this, I went back and finally watched Dwayne's highlights video to see if what I wrote matched up with with he published, and for the most part, it does. (And I'm glad to see he got the full "One Jump Ahead" reprise clip, I only managed to record a short snippet of that on my phone.) Towards the end of the video, you can hear me among the voices congratulating Sims and the dancers, as I was with Dwayne when he recorded them leaving.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:08 pm
by Big Disney Fan
Somebody should post articles on the deleted songs to the Disney Wiki. I would do that, since I went to that panel and bought the book, but I want to see the lyrics first, since most of the articles show them.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:41 pm
by D82
Escapay wrote:
D82 wrote:Was recording also forbidden at other similar panels too, or only at this panel?
It differed according to the panels. Some woud allow all recording, others would say "pictures, but no video" and the Walt Disney Studios panel was the strictest: not only was all recording banned, attendees were given plastic bags in which they'd have to put their phones in and seal it. Only the media section were granted phone/laptop access, and then only to use for live-messaging (a.k.a. Twitter updates).

The Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, and Tarzan panels had perfunctory warnings against recording, but it was a very loose guideline and most people followed it while a few intrepid rebels (myself included) took their phones out every so often to record something. Nobody was pulled out of the panel for it, unlike at the Disney+ panel where a couple in the row ahead of me were told to leave when it became apparent they were live-streaming the entire thing.
Interesting. I thought recording and taking pictures were just banned at the Walt Disney Studios and Disney+ presentations, but not at other panels. That explains why there aren't more videos of some of those panels online.

Thanks for also sharing your notes about the Aladdin panel! I'll read it too.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:31 pm
by JeanGreyForever
Wow, thank you Escapay for your detailed reports on Tarzan and Aladdin! As always your presence here is invaluable. :)

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:25 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Weinger really lucked up. I always wondered why they cast singing voices for Aladdin and Jasmine, whereas most other Disney characters in the '90s musicals had one actor for both the voice work and the singing. I would've thought Kane had performed "A Whole New World" a great deal over the years, considering how popular that song is and how it's often used to encapsulate Disney in general similarly to "When You Wish Upon a Star." I hope White's performance of "Speechless" ends up on YouTube at some point.

I hadn't thought about it before, but animation does allow a better portrayal of Tarzan (the character)--more muscular and wild--than live-action ever could.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:27 pm
by D82
Disney's Divinity wrote:I hope White's performance of "Speechless" ends up on YouTube at some point.
It's already on YouTube and was posted here too. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lby6HBJE-Q

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:54 pm
by Disney's Divinity
D82 wrote: It's already on YouTube and was posted here too. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lby6HBJE-Q
:lol: My bad. Thank you for quoting me so I couldn’t miss it. Her voice has aged, ofc. I thought the middle was a bit rough, but she really picked it up at the bridge and final chorus.

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:00 am
by DisneyFan09
DisneyFan09 wrote:Did you attend the panel for Aladdin as well?
Escapay wrote:I did! It was probably my favorite panel of the entire weekend.
Once again, Albert, you truly outdid yourself! Thank you :up:

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:30 am
by DisneyFan09
Sorry for bumping this thread, but now the entire panel for Tarzan has been uploaded; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Ylt5U9nc0&t=1229s

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:03 pm
by D82
^Thank you so much for posting it, DisneyFan09!

Re: D23 Expo 2019

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:21 pm
by DisneyFan09
You're welcome :)