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Who is that girl poking her head round the door? It looks like a blonde Lilo!

The talent that has gone into this is mind-boggling!

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:Who is that girl poking her head round the door? It looks like a blonde Lilo!

It's a new character they had created.

Ah ok ! I must have missed that.
I hope they release some Ariel art; am keen to see her, especially as they left her off the coloured image they released, of the ladies on a boat.

Charlotte is such a hilarious character.

I'm not sure if it's Bianca or the girl mouse from Cinderella that has Big Mama looking like she's just found lunch. I hope she eats them both, tbh.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I'm not sure if it's Bianca or the girl mouse from Cinderella that has Big Mama looking like she's just found lunch. I hope she eats them both, tbh.

That's the funniest meanest comment I've read in a while.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Charlotte is such a hilarious character.

I'm not sure if it's Bianca or the girl mouse from Cinderella that has Big Mama looking like she's just found lunch. I hope she eats them both, tbh.

When I looked at the drawings earlier this morning, I also thought of Bianca and Mouse-in-Pink being on Big Mama's food chain. I shouldn't have kept that thought to myself apparently.

David Kawena's talent is undeniable and his artwork is often jaw dropping for various reasons, but in general I think he was in over his head. I also think Disney would have sought legal action, regardless of it being a non-profit fan film, since they were planning on using exact, on-model versions of the characters.

Also, does anyone else feel like David Kawena is a bit conceited? I've seen some if his interactions with others on DA and facebook and overall he just comes across as rather self righteous and immodest. I remember his attitude when Tangled came out as others have mentioned in this post and I couldn't believe his narrow-mindedness and dismissive attitude towards the film based solely on the fact that it wasn't 2D. Of course he ate his words later after actually seeing it.

JustOneBite87 wrote: Also, does anyone else feel like David Kawena is a bit conceited? I've seen some if his interactions with others on DA and facebook and overall he just comes across as rather self righteous and immodest. I

Yeah I could tell just by looking at the crap he makes. Also I don't like him either.

Also:

Popularity on DA = becoming full of yourself thinking you're hot shit.

partially why I hate DA. Go ask Enigmawing. she'll tell you all about that.

Since I'll never actually meet him, I could care less what he's like--or why it's important that you like someone in order to enjoy their work.

I haven't read his interactions with fans so I can't say where you've got the impression, but I don't think knowing how talented you are/how much you've learned counts as conceited though, unless you're insecure.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Since I'll never actually meet him, I could care less what he's like--or why it's important that you like someone in order to enjoy their work.

I haven't read his interactions with fans so I can't say where you've got the impression, but I don't think knowing how talented you are/how much you've learned counts as conceited though, unless you're insecure.

I totally disagree. Sure, you can appreciate their work and their talent, but at the end of the day I think it matters more what kind of person you are. If Walt Disney was an conceited asshole, would he have become what he did, and maintain the image he did?

I haven't looked at his page in a long time, but I also remember getting very negative vibes from him. There's a difference between knowing that's you're talented and letting everyone know that you know that.

SWillie! wrote: I totally disagree. Sure, you can appreciate their work and their talent, but at the end of the day I think it matters more what kind of person you are. If Walt Disney was an conceited asshole, would he have become what he did, and maintain the image he did?

I have never found Walt Disney appealing personally, but I haven't bothered to delve much into him as a person because I DON'T CARE. And there's no reason why I should. Would Pinocchio suddenly no longer be a masterpiece if the creator was a complete prick?

This just sounds like a catty, gossiping talkshow to casually and snobbily judge people you don't even know and most likely never will (and over hearsay or snippets of an Internet conversation).

Disney's Divinity wrote:I have never found Walt Disney appealing personally, but I haven't bothered to delve much into him as a person because I DON'T CARE. Would Pinocchio suddenly no longer be a masterpiece to you if the creator was unlikable?

This just sounds like a catty, gossiping talkshow to casually and snobbily judge people you don't even know and most likely never will.

I certainly wouldn't be so keen to love Pinocchio if I knew that the people behind it were awful people, even if the end product was exactly the same.

I don't think it matters that we don't know them personally. Anyone who shares their work with the world is sharing an extension of themselves, and the way they present themselves (whether it be online, in person, or however) is the way that people will "know" them.

The difference I suppose is that you "don't care" what the person behind the creation is like. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I think most people probably do care - and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, either. He's being judged because he's putting himself out there as a public persona to be judged.

It's the same reason that people sometimes get turned down for jobs they are perfectly qualified for - if someone is hard to work with or hard to be around, nobody wants them around, no matter how great a job they might do at whatever they're doing.

SWillie! wrote: I certainly wouldn't be so keen to love Pinocchio if I knew that the people behind it were awful people, even if the end product was exactly the same.

And that is incredibly sad. I wonder how hard it must be for teachers to grade the work of students they dislike.

I do think it's wrong to judge people you don't know, or at least to talk in definites when what we think isn't a certainty. But I think it's worse to discount his abilities for it. I hardly consider him as having a "public persona" because of a deviantart account, which is why I found your comparison to Walt Disney (an actual media personality) kind of ridiculous.

It's the same reason that people sometimes get turned down for jobs they are perfectly qualified for - if someone is hard to work with or hard to be around, nobody wants them around, no matter how great a job they might do at whatever they're doing.

That’s true, although I don’t find this similar considering he works solo. But, if they were the same case, the point is that the quality of their work doesn’t change just because of their personality.

Disney's Divinity wrote:And that is incredibly sad. I wonder how hard it must be for teachers to grade the work of students they dislike.

I'm not talking about "grading" his work though. If I had to grade his work he'd get an A no question. I can objectively appreciate his work and his talent, but I personally like the work less because of the negative connotations I have with it.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Also, unlike you--I do think it's wrong to judge people you don't know. And I hardly consider him as having a "public persona" because of a deviantart account, which is why I found your comparison to Walt Disney (an actual media personality) kind of ridiculous.

I get that they are different, but it's only on a smaller scale. Like I said, anyone who puts their work out there is opening themselves to these sorts of judgements. Let's say an author wrote a book, and then went to book signings and was an asshole to people. They would be less likely to buy the book, no matter how great the book really is.

Disney's Divinity wrote:That’s true, although I don’t find this similar considering he works solo. But, if they were the same case, the point is that the quality of their work doesn’t change just because of their personality.

Well like I said, I can appreciate his work and his talent, but I think at the end of the day the person you are is more important that the quality of your work.

SWillie! wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote:And that is incredibly sad. I wonder how hard it must be for teachers to grade the work of students they dislike.

Well like I said, I can appreciate his work and his talent, but I think at the end of the day the person you are is more important that the quality of your work.

And since you don't know any of these people...?

It's expected that generally people will buy less if they dislike someone's personality, because generally the average person is not very objective and quick to trust their assumptions. Follow Christina Aguilera's recent album sales for an example. (Poor thing) Despite that that's the world we live in, people's negative perceptions doesn't legitimately reflect the work in any way. What a person is like has nothing to do with the quality of their work or their abilities.

Walt Disney ratted on people saying they were socialist, so does that make you like Disney's masterpieces any less?

Disney's Divinity wrote:

SWillie! wrote:Well like I said, I can appreciate his work and his talent, but I think at the end of the day the person you are is more important that the quality of your work.

And since you don't know any of these people...?

It's expected that generally people will buy less if they dislike someone's personality, because generally the average person is not very objective and quick to trust their assumptions. Follow Christina Aguilera's recent album sales for an example. (Poor thing) Despite the fact that it's the reality we live in, that doesn't mean it should be excused. What a person is like has nothing to do with the quality of their work or their abilities.

People can spend their money on whatever they want. If they choose not to give their money to someone who they don't like, it's their prerogative.

People can spend their money on whatever they want. If they choose not to give their money to someone who they don't like, it's their prerogative.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Which has nothing to do with what I said.

It did seem as if you were critisizing the 'average person' for not spending their money if they didn't like the creator's personality.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

SWillie! wrote:Well like I said, I can appreciate his work and his talent, but I think at the end of the day the person you are is more important that the quality of your work.

And since you don't know any of these people...?

I'm not sure what you mean here?

Disney's Divinity wrote:Despite the fact that it's the reality we live in, that doesn't mean it should be excused. What a person is like has nothing to do with the quality of their work or their abilities.

I don't think the people judging are the ones that should be on trial here. What I think shouldn't be excused is a person's negative personality.

It never ceases to amaze me how opposite the two of us are on so many things

Duster, it does makes me like him less as an individual (although that example was a product of the time he lived in, and less a personality issue). Thankfully, I don't personally associate the films directly with Walt, as I know how much of a joint effort they were, and so any one person isn't going to affect my opinion on them as much as something done by a single artist.