Neal wrote:Have you seen the film "Little Children?"
No, I haven't, but I looked up the title on IMDb and it sounds promising, and seeing that Kate Winslet and Jennifer Connelly co-star in it, I'm sure to check it out sometimes.
To add a bit more to what we've discussed before, I wanted to talk a bit more about changing societal views on sexuality. A Dutch magazine did a very interesting and fascinating article about a year ago, about the way views on sexuality had changed in The Netherlands since the 1970's. In the 1970's, there were several important, leading politicians who publicly proposed to get rid of the law which stated that sex between adults and minors was outlawed. They said it could be healthy for children to experience sex with older, more mature partners. A famous artist openly told a journalist during an interview that his 8 year old daughter sometimes used to touch and suck on his penis. I was very shocked to read this, but these people discussed these kind of things openly without them having any consequences --as far as I know about.
What also surprised me, is how the article also told about a big Dutch weekly magazine called
Revu, aimed at adult men (still in existance), which in the 1970's would regularly feature nude photo's of 14 and 15 year old girls. These were advertised on the front of the magazine. This was a big magazine, which was openly for sale on all the newsstands.
Revu would boast about having found "another blossoming girl of merely 14 years old". These were professional photo-shoots, for which the girls got paid. It sold a lot of copies.
It's unthinkable that any of this would be accepted nowadays, or at any point during the past 30 years. It just goes to show how quickly society can change. I was baffled when I read about it.
JustOneBite87 wrote:This. This right here. And honestly, I don't think there's anything left to discuss in this thread. Jodi believes being gay is a sin. That's unfortunate, but there's nothing we can do to change that.
Excuse me, but since you agree with what a-net-fan wrote, maybe *you* could explain to me what 'recreational sex' and drug use have to do with rape, bestiality and pedophilia? And maybe you could also point out where you think Neal has condoned those last three things, 'cause I don't see it. And please tell me what God has to do with it. Or are you just name-dropping him?
Super Aurora wrote:If that was truly the case, then majority of the cases involved with this, the suspect would of ended in a mental hospital to get helped, not prison(where they're going get their ass fucked by bubba). But majority of pedophilia cases, the defendant, if guilty, goes to prison as oppose to mental intuition as psychologist and other mental doctors had determine that pedophilia isn't a psychological genetic that the person inhabited.
Well, people have to go to prison for crimes they committed, regardless of whether or not they are mentally ill. However, there should be some kind of 'treatment' while/after the defendant's time in prison. In The Netherlands we have a system called 'TBS', which means that, when a criminal is diagnosed to be mentally ill, they will serve a prison term first and after that be committed in a mental hospital for some years. After the time in the 'TBS' is supposed to be up, the psychologists treating him have to advice the judge whether or not the patient can be safely returned to society. If not, the patient has to remain in 'TBS'. I don't know all the details of the US judicial system, but it seems pedosexuals automatically get very long prison sentences, if not life in jail, and there is little to no attention paid to rehabilitation.
If 'curing' or 'rehabilitation' is even possible. Lots of psychologists are of the opinion that pedophiles never change their ways (since that's the way they're 'wired'). But they are of the opinion, however, that casting them out of society after they served their time in jail, like our societies do, severely increases the risk of them committing new abuses (as opposed to guide them and keep an eye on them as they return into society, have a job, a home and are around regular people again). I realize this is not a popular opinion and of course it's very understandable that nobody would want to live with their kids near a registred pedosexual, but the studies have shown: they are a bigger danger to society when they get outcasted.
When you read the comments on news sites whenever there's a bit of news about convicted pedosexuals, you'll see they turn Medieval pretty quickly. Often, people are demanding them being put to death, or they propose all kinds of cruel torture measures. While understandable when you think of what those people did, I'm amazed that the majority of the people don't seem to realize that in 90% of the cases, the child abuser is not a dirty old man who dragged a random passing child into the bushes, but that nice uncle, the friendly neighbour or that good teacher. Most of the times, it's someone familiar.
David S. wrote:So are you saying that our emotions and feelings (like "love") are ALL governed by mere science? I will agree with you about the physical, sexual, attraction being biological, and whether one is hetero, homo, bi, pan, or asexual being biological (and therefore not a choice), but if someone's grandparents die, and they cry because they love their grandparents, do you see that love as nothing more that the result of a scientific process or a "chemical process" in the body? That mere "chemicals" are why you loved your grandparents, and not because of the happy times you shared and your appreciation of the kind things they did for you? [...]
I didn't quote everything, but I want to react nonetheless. Of course I acknowledge the existence of emotions, like love, happiness, sadness etc. They're here and they're real, si how you I not recognize them? What I'm saying, though, is that those emotions cannot exist outside of our bodies, which means they cannot exist apart from our organs. Your memories about your late grandparents are in your brains, and you're crying because your brains make you feel a certain way about those memories and the realization that you'll never see your grandparents again. And when you get very old, your brains start to lose some of their functions, and that's why old people start to forget certain things. Alcoholics suffer from this at a much younger age, because their drinking has destroyed lots of their braincells.
So, yes: all of our emotions and how we feel about them come from our bodily organs, most importantly the brain. The brain produces certain chemicals when you're in love which account for the feeling of 'being in love'. What it is that triggers the brain to do is, I don't know, and I don't think anybody knows. Some people fall in love with blondes only, others (like me) fall in love with all sorts of women. Our brains just work differently. That's the way we were 'wired'. That doesn't mean the emotions are less powerful or enjoyable. But they are the work of our brains, not our 'spirits'.
enigmawing wrote:[...] If the attacker fails to grasp why it's wrong and doesn't realize he's causing harm, well yes, he needs to be in a mental hospital. But if he knows it's wrong and does it anyway, his ass needs to be thrown in prison. [...]
I don't think it's a case of 'either he doesn't know it's wrong, so he should be treated' or 'he does know it's wrong and therefore he should be in prison'. Pedosexuals are always doing their child-molestation in secret, not neccesarily because they think it's bad, but because they know society thinks it's bad and has made it punishable by law (thank God, I should add!). So doing it in secret doesn't neccesarily mean the person in question thinks it's wrong himself. At least that's what I have read about it. Obviously, I'm not making excuses for anybody who would harm children. Just wanted to add this nuance for the sake of the discussion.
Disney Duster wrote:Goliath, the only thing I will add is that no matter what science says, no matter what anyone says, if they say my feelings are nothing but biochemical stuff I will never believe it, even if they actually seem to "prove" it. [...]
And THIS, right here, is why nobody can have a reasonable discussion with you. Because, as you have FINALLY admitted: you don't care for facts. Thanks for clearing that up once and for all, so people don't have to bother discussing with you anymore. Do you even realize how irrational you just made yourself look like?
Disney Duster wrote:[...] Oh, and another thing, scientists suspect that being gay is not a gene because they found identical twins (who share 100% the same genesa and pretty much the same experiences) had one gay and one straight. It seems the gay one may have "turned on the gayness in his gene" so to speak, perhaps with his soul, maybe even at birth, who knows. So that would be a like a soul that is gay simply turning the biology of his physical body to follow suit.
I don't know about the case you're talking about. Do you have a link to that story? Besides, I thought you just told me you didn't believe in scientific facts? Or do you only believe in facts when they fit your point of view? Does this also mean you believe gay people 'choose' to turn on their 'gay-gene'? Be careful what you say. The way you presented the story about the 'gay-gene' could be the perfect excuse for religious extremists to justify their "treating" of gays (like Marcus Bachmann and his gay-curing clinic): just surpress the 'gay-gene' and there are no gays anymore.
Really, Duster, how do you NOT see you're saying exactly the same as the anti-gay crowd?!
Disney Duster wrote:Well, even if I had to see Disney to know I love it, my soul was still one that was gonna love Disney, my soul still realized it liked Disney as much as it did,
Oh, please, for the love of God! Do you really expect me to write a reply to THIS?!
pap64 wrote:[...] Like some has said, I think she has the right to not accept the gay lifestyle.[...]
There is no such thing as a 'gay lifestyle'.
It's just personally not for me. 
Either way I don't find myself praying for those that don't share my beliefs.
Exactly, exactly. VERY good. Thanks for writing that.
I think you've talked about it before on the forums, but I wanted to post that. Plus, it's great to here that your artistic talents helped you move past that. 
