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dvdjunkie wrote:Just hang on till the next election period and then don't vote for any incumbents and get rid of the left-wing liberals and get this country back on its feet. The American voters were force-fed a bunch of Democratic crap in 2008 and now we are paying the price for it. An incompetent President, and the rest of the higher up mucky mucks have led us down this path to ruin.

We all need to stand up for what we believe, and vote for those reps who have the same beliefs and moral standards that we do, and we can get this country back on its feet.

Just pray that Obama is a one-term President and we can get someone in Washington who cares about everyone in this country and not just those who can line his coffers with extra cash to spend needlessly on unwanted government spending.

So you suggest the right which put the country in the ruin it is today and does nothing to solve the situation will somehow save the country? Is this because by default they are not Obama? I hope you thoroughly investigate these questions before 2012.

There is no politician "who has the moral standards we do" because the country is so ludicrously divided in its values. To think there is someone whom all members of both sides will love is to be delusional. What the country needs is members on both sides who use logic and reasoning and not pandering to fear mongering in their efforts to get things done. So long as the "Fox News" quality right and the bend-over backwards-to-please-them left exists that will never happen.

Maerj wrote:

ajmrowland wrote:america's fucked, that's what.

And it will continue to be until we stand up and fight to bring it back, in any way possible. Don't cry about it, get mad about it.

in thatcase, start rallying and ill follow suit.

dvdjunkie, you have it all wrong. Obama was naive. the WHOLE FUCKING GOVERNMENT is at fault here. the democrats are not liberals and the republicans arent the only problem either.

dvdjunkie wrote:Just hang on till the next election period and then don't vote for any incumbents and get rid of the left-wing liberals and get this country back on its feet. The American voters were force-fed a bunch of Democratic crap in 2008 and now we are paying the price for it. An incompetent President, and the rest of the higher up mucky mucks have led us down this path to ruin.

We all need to stand up for what we believe, and vote for those reps who have the same beliefs and moral standards that we do, and we can get this country back on its feet.

Just pray that Obama is a one-term President and we can get someone in Washington who cares about everyone in this country and not just those who can line his coffers with extra cash to spend needlessly on unwanted government spending.

LOL WAT?

I don't think you really read what goes on. You realize that Obama has so much handful is because of all the shit that was cause by previous administration? Obama, though not perfect and hasn't succeed in everything, has been trying to find ways and has been trying to fix the country.

What is the problem that cause him to be restricted? The Republicans and democrats parties trying to their best to outbest the other. They're merely fighting against each other just so they can gain the better image and power. They don't care about problems of the country. They care about how much position and power they have in Senate, and House. The GOP are really big on that.

GOP vow not to let a single bill pass by a democrat or Obama unless he allow extend the tax cut. When you reduce to such childish manner you know the government is fucked up.



While i'm not a hardcore political person like Goliath does, and while I do see good points in both spectrum, I know when things get shit from either party when they are now reduce to fighting like immature children over pettiness.

ajmrowland wrote:dvdjunkie, you have it all wrong. Obama was naive. the WHOLE FUCKING GOVERNMENT is at fault here. the democrats are not liberals and the republicans arent the only problem either.

^^^^^^This!^^^^^

Super Aurora wrote:

dvdjunkie wrote:Just hang on till the next election period and then don't vote for any incumbents and get rid of the left-wing liberals and get this country back on its feet. The American voters were force-fed a bunch of Democratic crap in 2008 and now we are paying the price for it. An incompetent President, and the rest of the higher up mucky mucks have led us down this path to ruin.

We all need to stand up for what we believe, and vote for those reps who have the same beliefs and moral standards that we do, and we can get this country back on its feet.

Just pray that Obama is a one-term President and we can get someone in Washington who cares about everyone in this country and not just those who can line his coffers with extra cash to spend needlessly on unwanted government spending.

LOL WAT?

I don't think you really read what goes on. You realize that Obama has so much handful is because of all the shit that was cause by previous administration? Obama, though not perfect and hasn't succeed in everything, has been trying to find ways and has been trying to fix the country.

What is the problem that cause him to be restricted? The Republicans and democrats parties trying to their best to outbest the other. They're merely fighting against each other just so they can gain the better image and power. They don't care about problems of the country. They care about how much position and power they have in Senate, and House. The GOP are really big on that.

GOP vow not to let a single bill pass by a democrat or Obama unless he allow extend the tax cut. When you reduce to such childish manner you know the government is fucked up.



While i'm a hardcore political person like Goliath does, and while I do see good points in both spectrum, I know when things get shit from either party when they are now reduce to fighting like immature children over pettiness.

yeah, elections have little more value anymore than Prom King and Queen or a Miss America pageant. Factor in Corporate America and wemight just as well auction off all our candidates or have a wrestling match with corporations placing bets on competitors.

I think we should all relax for a minute, and watch this clip of one of my favourite comedians of all time:

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ajmrowland wrote:

Maerj wrote: And it will continue to be until we stand up and fight to bring it back, in any way possible. Don't cry about it, get mad about it.

in thatcase, start rallying and ill follow suit.

Its already begun:

http://www.whyweprotest.net/en/

Fighting for freedom of speech, supporting Wikileaks and getting the truth out there.

http://wewontfly.com/ Don't let them violate your 4th Amendment rights, avoid the Porn Scanners and the pat downs. Discuss these things to everyone you know, create awarness, get people pissed off. Don't wait for someone else, do what you can where you are.

Maerj wrote: supporting Wikileaks and getting the truth out there.

I personally don't support Wikileaks.

dvdjunkie wrote:Just hang on till the next election period and then don't vote for any incumbents and get rid of the left-wing liberals and get this country back on its feet. The American voters were force-fed a bunch of Democratic crap in 2008 and now we are paying the price for it. An incompetent President, and the rest of the higher up mucky mucks have led us down this path to ruin.

Hahaha! Left-wing liberals?! Which left-wing liberals?! I wish America had been governed by left-wing liberals! There are hardly *any* in American politics. If you think you're being governed by left-wingers and/or liberals right now, you obviously haven't got a clue what liberalism and left-wing politics *really* look like. Over the last 30 years, the Democrats have consistently moved to the right of the political spectrum (to catch up with the Republicans who moved into a mental hospital). In fact, the last *real* left-wing presidential candidate the Democrats ran, was Michael Dukakis in 1988!

Since Bill Clinton and the establishing of the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council), they have strayed far from left-wing politics. If you have a different opinion, maybe you could tell us what has been specifically left-wing about Obama's decisions thus far? Expanding the war in Afghanistan? Is that left-wing? Letting insurance companies still dictate your health, and not getting a public option? Is that left-wing? Continue the tax breaks for the 1% wealthiest Americans? Is that left-wing?

Were you around when the Republican Dwight Eisenhower was president? The top tax bracket was 95%! And he was the commie-fightin' tough ex-general! Bet if he ran today, he'd be painted as Karl Marx himself!

Yes, Obama has not been competent --because he didn't stand up against the Republicans and corporate powers enough! But he has done some good things. Remember the much-hated Stimulus Bill? If it hadn't been for that Bill, millions *more* would have lost their jobs! It also provided for tax breaks for 95% of all people. He started to withdraw troops from Iraq. He's trying to close the torture center in Guántanamo Bay. What have the Republicans offered in those two years? "No"; that's what they offered. They said "no" to everything. They wouldn't even vote for a bill giving health coverage to 9/11 first responders. (A running theme in Jon Stewart's show.)

dvdjunkie wrote:We all need to stand up for what we believe, and vote for those reps who have the same beliefs and moral standards that we do, and we can get this country back on its feet.

Maybe you have forgotten how America became financially bankrupt? I remember how, when George W. Bush took office, he was handed a $ 300+ billion surplus from Bill Clinton. When he left office, he left an all-time record $ 400+ trillion deficit. In the 8 years Bush governed, he had a Republican majority in Congress for 6 years, which rubber-stamped everything he wanted! He put two wars on the credit card! Trillions of dollars went disappearing in the quagmires that we call Afghanistan and Iraq, both which had nothing to do with 9/11 (it were the Saudi's). He also gave a tax break to the 1% wealthiest Americans, without ever paying for them.

Now Obama and the Democrats have inhereted this --and you put the blame on them? Damn! You need to turn off Faux Noise and stop drinking so much kool-aid.

dvdjunkie wrote:Just pray that Obama is a one-term President and we can get someone in Washington who cares about everyone in this country and not just those who can line his coffers with extra cash to spend needlessly on unwanted government spending.

Historically speaking, 'government' expanded the most under... George W. Bush. You see, you don't have your facts straight. Not *one* of them; not even one. You just repeat easy-sounding soundbites. But they're empty and hollow. They don't mean anything. Right-wing neo-liberal, free-market laissez-faire policies have brought the US and the world the biggest financial and economic crisis since the Great Depression and you want D.C. to continue with them... It's unbelievable.

Who should the Republicans run? Someone like Sarah Palin?! Or any of the other teabaggers? I thought the US had hit rock bottom with Reagan, but he was a genius compared to this current crop of inbreeders!

ajmrowland wrote:yeah, elections have little more value anymore than Prom King and Queen or a Miss America pageant. Factor in Corporate America and we might just as well auction off all our candidates or have a wrestling match with corporations placing bets on competitors.

It used to be different. There used to be a time when politicians could get things done. Just look at real leaders like Teddy Rossevelt, FDR and JFK. Of course there was mot such a thing as 'mass media' back then. Yes, tv came into being when FDR was in office, but there weren't any 24 hour cable 'news' stations, and no such propaganda outlets like Fox News.

Corporations trying to influence politicians were there, obviously. But FDR famously said about big business: "They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred." His New Deal was a blessing for millions of regular working Americans, keeping them out of poverty and put them back to work during the Great Depression, which was created by the same laissez-faire policies, by corrupt Republican administrations , that have caused today's crisis.

Kennedy wanted to stop the nightmare of the Cold War (after he saw what could have gone wrong with the Cuban missile crisis); wanted to pull out of Vietnam before it got too big for the US to handle; and wanted to seriously cut the military budget, to spend the money on the well-being of ordinary Americans. He didn't have to listen to corporations because his family was wealthy enough themselves. That's why he got murdered by at least 3 men in Dallas, Texas.

The big unraveling of the New Deal and all benefits working Americans enjoyed began in the 1980's, when Ronald Reagan took advantage of an economic recession to mislead the people into believing not corporate power, but government was to blame for everything bad that happened. He and his master and later president, George H.W. Bush, and later Clinton too, dismantled almost everything that protected the regular people. To call Obama and Democrats who are in office now 'liberals', is to call FDR and JFK hard-core communists!

Goliath wrote: Were you around when the Republican Dwight Eisenhower was president?

Actually he would be. He's one of the oldest(age wise) member here. I believe someone told me he's in his 70's

And everybody thinks this idiot who doesn't even live in the United States of America knows what he is talking about.

You think Democrats are cool because they are blackmailing Obama into things just to get the Tax Credits extended for two more years.

Do you realize how badly we will be hurt if that Tax Credit doesn't go through. I am not talking about the rich get richer crap, either. I am talking about you and I, the middle class who would see our taxes increase over $5,000 in 2011 if the Tax Credit bill doesn't get extended.

Yes I understand that it isn't the perfect fix for anything. I would like to see any of these higher up Mucky Mucks live as a middle class person for 90 days and then tell us that we don't have it hard. And what about those poor people who have been unemployed for the past year, they need a break, and need to be able to put a meal on the table once a day and pay their rent and utilities.

As one who has been on unemployment for almost seven months I can tell you that it isn't easy making it through the month, and I don't have any bills to pay except for rent, utilities and a car payment.

I usually try to stay out of this stuff, but one thing has been bothering me this year...

I know those in the middle-class that depend on Social Security for their monthly income are hurting right now. Despite what the government says the cost of living has gone up. People are digging into their savings/pensions just to pay monthly bills. Medicine prices are also on the rise...

I really don't know how we can afford to do it, but there NEEDS to be a cost of living raise to help balance things out. If not our retirees, and people who are medically disabled will be bankrupt after they go though their savings/pensions.

Maybe its the "Bush years" finally catching up to us, or maybe the current administration just isn't doing its job... Who knows. Personally I think both sides are to blame for the mess the US is in right now. 2010 has been one of the worst years for a lot of people I know financially, and it doesn't look like 2011 will be any better.

dvdjunkie wrote:And everybody thinks this idiot who doesn't even live in the United States of America knows what he is talking about.

Funny, friend- but I do live in the U.S. and happen to think he knows A LOT about what he's talking about here.

What does that make me, an idiot too? Or... what did you say to me back in '06-'07? Take off my rose-tinted sunglasses? The last thing I've ever been is a hippie. Ask Siren!

If only it were still the Thanksgiving season. Then I could just laugh you off, point at you and say- "isn't Drunk-Grandpa cuuuute?"

DarthPrime wrote:People are digging into their savings/pensions just to pay monthly bills.

That's my parents' situation. They don't even have any insurance on their house, which is falling apart.

If 2011 doesn't get better, then I can guarantee you before Christmas of next year- they will both be dead. Money is such a problem, she drinks herself into a zombie-like stupor and sounds like she's dying when she sleeps and my father's body is bloated to the point of almost not being able to use a cellphone. His doctor tells him no more candy, chips, fatty foods- he's well over 300 pounds and almost 60 y/o. They're both killing themselves to avoid thinking about money and every time they talk to each other about their bills and how they're spending all their savings, there's a huge fight and they call and E-mail me to talk about it.

DarthPrime wrote:I really don't know how we can afford to do it, but there NEEDS to be a cost of living raise to help balance things out. If not our retirees, and people who are medically disabled will be bankrupt after they go though their savings/pensions.

This sounds like a good idea, but would corporations, industries and store owners be willing to raise the wages they pay people? Would prices on goods and services go up anyway to maintain margins? Maybe the tax cut money which does nothing to prevent recessions or recover from them could help raise people's wages or better yet give individuals better educations so they don't have to try and make careers out of grocery store and Wal-Mart salaries.

Education and Health care should be the two things the government is trying to improve the most. When people know they can have the skill sets to get a decent paying job and not worry every day about how to pay for all of their health care then people will be better off. However such changes take time.

Speaking of taxes, the US already has far lower taxes than many other democracies which as a result gives the government alot less money to work with and provide services. Raising them now is out of the question, but this is something that should have started years ago. Unfortunately and understandably people want to hold on to enough money they can (rich, poor, it doesn't matter) and any effort to raise taxes would be greeted with little voter support.

Sadly, the economy will not likely dramatically improve in 2011. Even if legislation were approved now, there effects would take time to show substantial change. There is in reality no one person, political party or quick fix scheme to improve a mess this big that fast.

dvdjunkie wrote:We all need to stand up for what we believe, and vote for those reps who have the same beliefs and moral standards that we do, and we can get this country back on its feet.

What do morals and beliefs have to do with the economy? You think just because a politician believes in the same god you do, that'll suddenly keep millions from foreclosure?

I'm guessing you're one of those people who voted for Bristol Palin. That'll show them liberals! (nothing like a knocked-up teenager and a reality show star mom for moral examples)

Disney's Divinity wrote:

dvdjunkie wrote:We all need to stand up for what we believe, and vote for those reps who have the same beliefs and moral standards that we do, and we can get this country back on its feet.

What do morals and beliefs have to do with the economy? You think just because a politician believes in the same god you do, that'll suddenly keep millions from foreclosure?

I'm guessing you're one of those people who voted for Bristol Palin. That'll show them liberals! (nothing like a knocked-up teenager and a reality show star mom for moral examples)

How does having the same "beliefs and moral standards" automatically mean religion? Besides, regardless of what one thinks of religion, it has become an overused scapegoat for what is wrong in politics, life, etc. Pointing fingers and playing the blame game solves nothing. DOING solves.

Also, believe it or not, there are more to politics than moral issues. There are differing belief systems involving economics so yes they do have much to do with the economy. Politics don't begin and end with social issues. There's also economic politics, environmental politics, etc.

The_Iceflash wrote: Besides, regardless of what one thinks of religion, it has become an overused scapegoat for what is wrong in politics, life, etc. Pointing fingers and playing the blame game solves nothing. DOING solves.

It's not really a scapegoat when it actually does play a large force in politics and voting.

Also, what exactly have you been DOING lately? This whole thread is nothing but the "blame game." It's not like forumers can alter the political climate or the economy. Unless they're out shopping, at which point they wouldn't be posting here anyway.

There are differing belief systems involving economics so yes they do have much to do with the economy.

Yeah, but economic strategies aren't called "belief systems," are they? Besides, how could people normally have the same "moral standards" on the economy? Individuals don't normally limit taxes on the rich for money to trickle down or extend benefits to the poor on a daily basis.

dvdjunkie wrote:And everybody thinks this idiot who doesn't even live in the United States of America knows what he is talking about.

I don't know whether to laugh at you or pity you for having such a narrow-minded view of the world. You're right, dvdjunkie, people outside the USA can't possibly know anything about the country's history or politics. After all, books, television and the internet are only available in America, right?

dvdjunkie wrote:You think Democrats are cool because they are blackmailing Obama into things just to get the Tax Credits extended for two more years.

Huh? No, I think Republicans are bad because they blackmail the American people. If millionairs' taxbreaks don't get extended for two more years, they would have voted against extending unemployment benefits for those millions of ordinary Americans who are out of work. So who are the bad guys here? The Democrats who want to help unemployed people who have been hit by the crisis? Or the Republicans who want to add $ 700 billion to the deficit in taxbreaks for millionairs?

dvdjunkie wrote:Do you realize how badly we will be hurt if that Tax Credit doesn't go through. I am not talking about the rich get richer crap, either. I am talking about you and I, the middle class who would see our taxes increase over $5,000 in 2011 if the Tax Credit bill doesn't get extended.

You're sadly misinformed. Obama and the Democrats did want tax cuts extended for people making under $ 250,000 a year. The Republicans didn't want that to happen, unless the richest 2% of Americans would get their -unfunded- tax cuts extended, too.

dvdjunkie wrote:Yes I understand that it isn't the perfect fix for anything. I would like to see any of these higher up Mucky Mucks live as a middle class person for 90 days and then tell us that we don't have it hard. And what about those poor people who have been unemployed for the past year, they need a break, and need to be able to put a meal on the table once a day and pay their rent and utilities.

If you're not being sarcastic here... then I don't understand why you would ever vote Republican, because everything they ever do is directly opposed to helping the regular people. Not that the Democrats aren't hughly corrupt, too, but they at least throw the people a bone once in a while. If you really mean what you said above, you shouldn't talk so negatively about "the left" and hope -for the sake of the American middle class- that real leftist politicians will soon take over.

dvdjunkie wrote:As one who has been on unemployment for almost seven months I can tell you that it isn't easy making it through the month, and I don't have any bills to pay except for rent, utilities and a car payment.

Again I ask you: then why don't you support Democratic or (other) left-leaning politicians? Have you not heard that the Republicans threatened to vote against extending benefits for unemployed Americans, *unless* the tax breaks would be extended for people making over $ 250,000 a year? Have you not heard it's the Republicans who don't want to vote for health benefits for 9/11 first responders?

DarthPrime wrote:[...] I really don't know how we can afford to do it, but there NEEDS to be a cost of living raise to help balance things out. If not our retirees, and people who are medically disabled will be bankrupt after they go though their savings/pensions.

It's really easy to afford it. Cutting the military budget by at least 3/4 -leaving still the biggest military on earth- will get you some hundreds of billions of dollars. (Of course, after what happened to JFK and Robert, no president will ever dare to do that...) Not extending the Bush tax cuts for people making over $ 250,000 a year would get you $ 700 billion dollars. And raising tax rates for that category to at least 50% (where it should be --and still lower than the 72% it was under Republican president Nixon) would give you the other billions you need.

Lazario wrote:That's my parents' situation. They don't even have any insurance on their house, which is falling apart.

If 2011 doesn't get better, then I can guarantee you before Christmas of next year- they will both be dead. Money is such a problem, she drinks herself into a zombie-like stupor and sounds like she's dying when she sleeps and my father's body is bloated to the point of almost not being able to use a cellphone. His doctor tells him no more candy, chips, fatty foods- he's well over 300 pounds and almost 60 y/o. They're both killing themselves to avoid thinking about money and every time they talk to each other about their bills and how they're spending all their savings, there's a huge fight and they call and E-mail me to talk about it.

I'm very sorry for your parents. (I would add another political rant here, but that probably would be inappropriate. I wouldn't want to politicize their situation.) I wish them all the best.

Maerj wrote:

ajmrowland wrote: in thatcase, start rallying and ill follow suit.

Its already begun:

http://www.whyweprotest.net/en/

Fighting for freedom of speech, supporting Wikileaks and getting the truth out there.

http://wewontfly.com/ Don't let them violate your 4th Amendment rights, avoid the Porn Scanners and the pat downs. Discuss these things to everyone you know, create awarness, get people pissed off. Don't wait for someone else, do what you can where you are.

the second link, ill have to think about but what are the risks to joining Anonymus.