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KubrickFan wrote:
You're still assuming that the VHS and Laserdisc are the ones that are correct, and that anyone can remember how the theatrical version would look like, nineteen years ago.

His point is that he can at least remember what it doesn't look like (a la Platinum). The VHS may not be correct--I'm sure it isn't--but neither is the Platinum version.

Regardless, I've actually grown accustomed to the Platinum's colors, tbh. Something about the light, pastel look gives it (like ajmrowland said) a more romantic feel that's suitable for the film. The only thing that's ever really bothered me is the loss of shadow (in the scene where Belle meets Beast in the dungeon, the wolf scene, the end of "B&tB," and the climax of the film, etc.). But I was never bothered by the original VHS colors either.

As far as the transfer goes, if it's just a touch darker and a little less flat with the shading and shadows and is encoded better than the 2002 DVD, I'm pretty much sold. I'm not concerned with getting the original laserdisc/VHS colors back - mainly because if you know where to look, you can get a fan preservation 16:9 DVD taken from the laserdisc.

KubrickFan wrote: You're still assuming that the VHS and Laserdisc are the ones that are correct, and that anyone can remember how the theatrical version would look like, nineteen years ago.

But why wouldn't the 1992 VHS/Laserdisc have the original colors?
Why in the world would they change the COLORS if it's a brand new film?

And surely, the film wasn't originally presented with such garish colors. (I've watched it in the theater in 1991 but I don't remember anything about the colors as I was little).

rodis wrote:

KubrickFan wrote: You're still assuming that the VHS and Laserdisc are the ones that are correct, and that anyone can remember how the theatrical version would look like, nineteen years ago.

But why wouldn't the 1992 VHS/Laserdisc have the original colors?
Why in the world would they change the COLORS if it's a brand new film?

And surely, the film wasn't originally presented with such garish colors. (I've watched it in the theater in 1991 but I don't remember anything about the colors as I was little).

Exactly..

my chicken is infected wrote:As far as the transfer goes, if it's just a touch darker and a little less flat with the shading and shadows and is encoded better than the 2002 DVD, I'm pretty much sold. I'm not concerned with getting the original laserdisc/VHS colors back - mainly because if you know where to look, you can get a fan preservation 16:9 DVD taken from the laserdisc.

Well, I've got a 700MB file for the laser disc rip, but i was searching for the 4Gb version that i've seen around in torrents but it's not seeded..

filmmusic wrote:Well, I've got a 700MB file for the laser disc rip, but i was searching for the 4Gb version that i've seen around in torrents but it's not seeded..

The 4gb version is just the ISO files that someone made for a custom DVD-R. The 700mb file is an .avi rip from said DVD-R. So the quality is likely the same.

albert

Matt wrote:

Prince Edward wrote: Hehe, oooh, I forgot a word. But considering English is not my first language, I don't think it's that bad. I would have liked to see you write in French/German/Spanish or something like that (or perhaps Norwegian, hehe) without making some mistakes along the way;)

You didn't forget the word, I added it lol. That's why I put that.

Oh, my bad then! I'm sorry for being oversensitive^^

rodis wrote:But why wouldn't the 1992 VHS/Laserdisc have the original colors?

The point I was trying to make is that, for example, the VHS--->composite connection--->CRT TV continuum is not only subject to limitations in image resolution and detail representation <i>vis-a-vis</i> motion picture film, <b>but in the spectrum of colors it is capable of presenting as well</b>....and that's without beginning to address issues such as whether or not one's TV 15-20 years ago was calibrated for optimal color representation (which is generally pretty unlikely). Without an empirical reference for the original theatrical presentation, comparisons are being made in a vacuum.

@ Escapay:

Thanks for the list of features! While I still would have wanted to own all the BluRay exclusive bonus features on DVD (obviously), I can make peace with it, if indeed that many bonus features make it to the DVD. I mean, how may features do you really *need*? It was different with the Snow White DVD, where we got almost no bonus materials. But this all, that's great! Even if we only got the 'work in progress'-version, I would be satisfied.

(Ooops! Hope Disney doesn't read that!)

Goliath wrote:Thanks for the list of features!

You're welcome again, Goliath.

Looking at the special features, what's on both the Blu-Ray and DVD is sure to satisfy most any fan of the film, regardless which format is purchased. It certainly follows my standards for what's a good set of supplements:

-Commentary
-Making-of Documentary
-Gallery (okay, so the DVD doesn't get this. But if you've got the old DVD, then just slip it into an envelope and put it in the new DVD case)
-Theatrical Trailer
-Deleted Scenes

All the extra bits are just a bonus to the bonus, so to speak.



albert

I'm just really excited for the movie! I wish that the Diamonds at least got those cool "book" sleeves that Sleeping Beauty, the original Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, and Aladdin had...

Also what do you guys think about the Human Again song...leave it or toss it. I HATED the morning report song.

CampbellzSoup wrote:Also what do you guys think about the Human Again song...leave it or toss it. I HATED the morning report song.

Within the confines of the animated movie, "Human Again" is unnecessary and drags along, especially as it's a lengthy number in between "Something There" and "Beauty and the Beast". But I'm sure it works much better in the Broadway musical.

albert

Human again isn't even the most memorable songs from the musical imho,
"Home", "If I Can't Love Her" or "A Change In Me", though slower they would have gave much more insight to the characters, added deeper meaning etc.

CampbellzSoup wrote:Also what do you guys think about the Human Again song...leave it or toss it. I HATED the morning report song.

Well, I think Human Again was more seamless than Morning Report was. The latter was just a replacement scene, really.

skyler888 wrote:Human again isn't even the most memorable songs from the musical imho,
"Home", "If I Can't Love Her" or "A Change In Me", though slower they would have gave much more insight to the characters, added deeper meaning etc.

To be honest, I don't think "Home" or "If I Can't Love Her" would work well in the film. "A Change In Me" could help the movie, by emphasizing Belle's growth, but it's such a light-hearted song, I can't think of where it could go in the film without dragging it down somehow.

I actually really love "Human Again"; it's the "Be Our Guest" of the second half. The only thing I don't like is the way they handled the scene when they made it for the Platinum. That part in the middle with Beast and Belle was painful to watch--shows exactly why B&tB as we know it couldn't be made by the Disney of today.

rodis wrote: But why wouldn't the 1992 VHS/Laserdisc have the original colors?
Why in the world would they change the COLORS if it's a brand new film?

Changes made don't always have to be done on purpose. Something could've gone wrong while the telecine was done. Just because it was new then, doesn't automatically make it the correct version.

rodis wrote: And surely, the film wasn't originally presented with such garish colors. (I've watched it in the theater in 1991 but I don't remember anything about the colors as I was little).

So then how do you know for sure? You seem to know that it wasn't presented in theaters that way, yet don't remember anything about it. Unless someone has photographic memory, it's pretty much impossible to know how a movie looked when you watched it 19 years ago.

Escapay wrote:

CampbellzSoup wrote:Also what do you guys think about the Human Again song...leave it or toss it. I HATED the morning report song.

Within the confines of the animated movie, "Human Again" is unnecessary and drags along, especially as it's a lengthy number in between "Something There" and "Beauty and the Beast". But I'm sure it works much better in the Broadway musical.

albert

Having seen the stage version (a touring version of the original West End production), I would say that "Human Again" works far better there than it does as an added scene to the original film. It does upset the pacing in the original film a bit too much; in a two to three hour musical (stage or screen) where a large amount of songs from the start is okay, but in a 80-90 minute film, one can only really have two songs within quick succession of each other, and such a huge, overblown number in between two smaller numbers seems a bit overwhelming. Plus, the song sorta treads ground covered already by "Something There" (which was written as the song's replacement). That's not to say that "Human Again" is a complete disaster; it's just ultimately a case of "less is more", and the original theatrical version is easily the better of the two versions just based on pacing alone.

I personally find "The Morning Report" in The Lion King to be really unnecessary, not because it upsets the pace (it does less so than "Human Again"), but because it truly was added in as a corporate ploy. Naturally, one could say the same thing with "Human Again" and Beauty and the Beast, but at the very least, the growing legacy of Howard Ashman and his work was looming over people's shoulders, and in some ways, it was a posthumous tribute. "The Morning Report", however, was simply added as nothing more than a brainless corporate gimmick to try and get people to buy the Platinum Edition DVD (as if The Lion King was never going to be a bestseller anyhow; if the IMAX release hadn't done that well, it was because IMAX screens are few and far between, and a full theatrical reissue would surely have done better ). They weren't very respectful in considering this addition; first of all, the original voices of Simba (both singing and speaking) were already at the opposite side of puberty, and I believe they even got a replacement voice for Zazu, despite Rowan Atkinson being alive and well. Whether or not "The Morning Report" was ever written, the reason for it being put into the film was not particularly justifiable, in my opinion. Like the whole Platinum Edition of The Lion King (focusing on games, cross promotion and "interactive" aka confusing menu systems), it's nothing but a symbol of what Disney was like during the latter stages of the Eisner era - a ship on the verge of sinking. The original theatrical version (even if actually the slightly tweaked IMAX version) is most certainly the way to go.

Mr. Yagoobian wrote:

rodis wrote:But why wouldn't the 1992 VHS/Laserdisc have the original colors?

The point I was trying to make is that, for example, the VHS--->composite connection--->CRT TV continuum is not only subject to limitations in image resolution and detail representation <i>vis-a-vis</i> motion picture film, <b>but in the spectrum of colors it is capable of presenting as well</b>....and that's without beginning to address issues such as whether or not one's TV 15-20 years ago was calibrated for optimal color representation (which is generally pretty unlikely). Without an empirical reference for the original theatrical presentation, comparisons are being made in a vacuum.

Thanks for that. BTW, maybe you're the person to ask.
How does a normal theater screen compare to a normal TV screen (not necessarily LCD or Plasma). And assuming the adjustments on my TV are accurate (brightness/contrast/saturation), would the presentation be just as good?

I know I might seem a little stupid and that you all are tired who hearing the same questions over and over again but I can't find the answer I need so...

The 3-disc version that's coming on November 1st (UK) is 2 Blu-ray + 1 DVD or 2 DVD + 1 Blu-ray?

Thanks!

my chicken is infected wrote:I'm not concerned with getting the original laserdisc/VHS colors back - mainly because if you know where to look, you can get a fan preservation 16:9 DVD taken from the laserdisc.

filmmusic wrote:Well, I've got a 700MB file for the laser disc rip, but i was searching for the 4Gb version that i've seen around in torrents but it's not seeded..

Escapay wrote:The 4gb version is just the ISO files that someone made for a custom DVD-R. The 700mb file is an .avi rip from said DVD-R. So the quality is likely the same.

Now where might one go to happen upon this?