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Note that most of the shorts with C&D are in fact DD shorts (and the occasional MM). There's just a small number of shorts with C&D "title cards", and if we're lucky they could be included as a bonus on the final Donald volume.merlinjones wrote:Chip & Dale (all shorts and TV hosted hours)
And yet there is publicly available evidence that less than 50,000 people have bought Chronological Donald Vol 3. Less than 65,000 people have availed themselves of Pluto Vol 2 or The Hardy Boys Treasures in over a year. Of course, Donald Duck isn't as popular or widely remembered as Jiminy Cricket...slave2moonlight wrote:I am aware that the Jiminy shorts aren't theatrical, but they are shorts from Walt's day. Many of us, even from my generation going to school in the '80's and '90's, grew up watching the Jiminy shorts at school and on the Disney Channel. I don't doubt for a minute that there are at least 50,000 people who would remember and want to own them. 50,000 really isn't that many.
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Well, again, I think you underestimate the number of worldwide fans of this material greatly. There are well over 300,000,000 people in the U.S. alone.
One could say that a true fan would have bought the Oswald Treasure when it was first released, not three months later. But one wouldn't, because one plays the ball and not the man in discussions like these, yes?(...) so any true fans should see the end of such a line as a huge disappointment.
Well, they put the Figaro cartoons on the Pluto set, and I don't think they are any more relevant to the Pluto series than the C&D shorts are to the DD shorts. So if they put the Figaro cartoons on the Pluto set, I don't see why they shouldn't put the C&D shorts on the DD set, especially since they have not been released on the Treasures set yet anyway.PeterPanfan wrote:Why would the Chip N' Dale shorts be released on the Donald set? They're not very relevent to him. They should have been released on the Pluto sets.
Fascinating, and yet they still are releasing a fourth wave (including the highly limited in appeal "Destino" and "Dr. Syn") and released an Oswald set with that knowledge. They know the stuff sells over time, just as I have been saying. Whether they are really shooting for 50,000 or not I don't know, but they must get enough back to turn a profit, or they wouldn't continue even to please the collectors. As I pointed out before, they never were truly ending the Treasures collection, just changing it to Legacy. As for your sarcasm, you can save it. I never said Jiminy was more popular than Donald, though I do feel he's popular enough to sell Treasures sets.MK Sharp wrote: And yet there is publicly available evidence that less than 50,000 people have bought Chronological Donald Vol 3. Less than 65,000 people have availed themselves of Pluto Vol 2 or The Hardy Boys Treasures in over a year. Of course, Donald Duck isn't as popular or widely remembered as Jiminy Cricket...
Not necessarily. It is sometimes a monetary issue. Not everyone can afford to buy three or four Treasures sets at once, no matter how much they'd like to. The point is, just because things don't sell out right away doesn't mean they have stopped selling period.MK Sharp wrote:One could say that a true fan would have bought the Oswald Treasure when it was first released, not three months later. But one wouldn't, because one plays the ball and not the man in discussions like these, yes?slave2moonlight wrote:(...) so any true fans should see the end of such a line as a huge disappointment.
But we're talking about them stopping the collection. So not pleasing the collectors.slave2moonlight wrote:Whether they are really shooting for 50,000 or not I don't know, but they must get enough back to turn a profit, or they wouldn't continue even to please the collectors.
I think they have relevance to Donald, somewhat: Most of C&D's appearances are in DD shorts - and these three or so are just the ones where Donald doesn't appear...PeterPanfan wrote:Why would the Chip N' Dale shorts be released on the Donald set? They're not very relevent to him. They should have been released on the Pluto sets.
And since feature films are being mentioned, don't forget some of these: Big Red, Emil and the Detectives, Westward Ho the Wagons, Johnny Shiloh (TV), The Littlest Outlaw, Moon Pilot, Almost Angels, and more.merlinjones wrote:...And let's not forget the many good missing features: Song of the South, So Dear to My Heart, The Monkey's Uncle, Escapade in Florence, The Incredible Journey, The Horsemasters, Prince and the Pauper, The Light in the Forest, Kidnapped, Sword and the Rose, Superdad, Mosby's Marauders, Charley and the Angel, Sammy the Way-Out Seal, Child of Glass, etc.
What is the Disney Educational Series, and how does one obtain these titles?Mouseketodd wrote:Here's something I found out. These titles are available through the Disney Educational Series: The Light in the Forest (DVD), Justin Morgan had a Horse (DVD), and Scrooge McDuck on Money (VHS). I checked out The Light in the Forest disc from our public library, and the picture was very good -- at least it wasn't poor quality like Natty Gann or Blackbeard's Ghost. I don't understand why these DVD titles can't be released commercially if the transfer is already in existence.
For the 38th time Mr. Toad is proud to present the comlete list of Educational Shorts.gardener14 wrote:What is the Disney Educational Series, and how does one obtain these titles?Mouseketodd wrote:Here's something I found out. These titles are available through the Disney Educational Series: The Light in the Forest (DVD), Justin Morgan had a Horse (DVD), and Scrooge McDuck on Money (VHS). I checked out The Light in the Forest disc from our public library, and the picture was very good -- at least it wasn't poor quality like Natty Gann or Blackbeard's Ghost. I don't understand why these DVD titles can't be released commercially if the transfer is already in existence.
I know. You misread my statement. I meant that they wouldn't continue even for (or, in other words, just for) the purpose of pleasing collectors. That was my point. They'd have to be turning a profit on it.2099net wrote:But we're talking about them stopping the collection. So not pleasing the collectors.slave2moonlight wrote:Whether they are really shooting for 50,000 or not I don't know, but they must get enough back to turn a profit, or they wouldn't continue even to please the collectors.
We can all keep doing the math (and making educated guesses at best), but in the end, they haven't stopped the series yet, despite the all the folks here making points about how they aren't making their money back. I have experience in producing and selling stuff too, and they must have been benefiting from this line somehow all these years.2099net wrote: I mean, do the maths.
The most expensive aspect of producing the Treasures is the restoration, and that benefits Disney far beyond just the Treasures sets. It's something they need to do anyway. Disney doesn't really spend much, if anything at all, on advertising the product, and they don't spend much on the materials or even making the few supplements the discs carry. In the long run, they are doing the important job of restoring their library and making some immediate money on the side while doing so, however small that amount is. They COULD focus their attention on Hannah Montana and High School Musical, but most of their attention is there already, and yet after a few years those titles will probably become worthless to them, as they seem to think titles like Lizzie McGuire have become. I remember when that was a craze too. Maybe not as big as Hannah or High School, but then they didn't put as much money into it either. Point is, after a while, that stuff dies out, but the Walt-era and theatrical stuff that has been coming out on the Treasures sets has historical value at the very least. Disney is always reusing that material here and there, even if only in clips and documentaries.2099net wrote: The question is given all the resources the Treasures set undoubtedly require, are Disney better off putting those resources on making Hannah Montana compilations, or another triple-dip of High School Musical?
2099net wrote:If a release like Hannah Montana is cheaper to make, sells 10 times as many copies over its lifetime as a limited run Treasure release, and also helps strenghten the "Hannah/Miley" brand for Disney and cross promotes The Disney Channel, CD sales, concerts, t-shirts and other Merchandise, why would Disney choose to spend more money making a Swamp Fox release?
Disney is a huge company. What is probably a decent profit for a smaller company is - frankly - an irrevelence to a company of Disney's size when it comes to accounting.
That is up to each and every one of us, of course. Yet, considering with which level of consistency various material has been released in the WDT line I still think it's not quite unfair to say that the animated shorts constitute the "anchor" of the series. The only other sort of material they've attempted to complete in the WDTs would be what was completed in a single set in the first place - such as Davy Crockett and the first adventures of Spin & Marty and the Hardy Boys.a-net-fan wrote:In complete honesty, it was never the "short films" that I considered the "anchor" of the series! I know for many of you it was. My main draw to the Disney Treasures Collection was the Walt Disney/Disneyland material and the MMC serials and footage.
No, but I reckon it's down on the canvas and breathing hard. "Lazarus" Treasures looked like he was about to be counted out in the 6th round, amid accusations that he'd gone into the 5th round ill-prepared; but the audience cheered him on and he staggered back to his feet to fight on a little more. But as we head into the 8th round he's looking punch-drunk and the worse for wear, and I don't know how long he can keep standing. "Honest" Matt Sharp at the Carringbush Tote is offering 2:1 on Lazarus being king-hit by the end of round 8, but over in the Lone Star State they're showing more faith in the old feller and are tipping he's good for another couple of rounds yet. Only the future will tell us what's in store next for our faded but fighting champion. The excitement is mounting here at the ring; stay tuned to WKUD for all the action as it happens!slave2moonlight wrote:And yet, the Disney Treasures line is still not dead...
Okay, what specific marketing do you think will work? You say use direct marketing but that is what they are already using, direct targeted advertising. Really the most cost effective type of marketing.merlinjones wrote:>>50,000 MAXIMUM sales.<<
False premise.
They aren't really trying to market these titles to anyone outside that box. This could be done easily if they chose. In fact, I seem to recall previous collections caused spokepeople to say they "underestimated demand." Still are.
By and large, middle America's baby boomers that shop at Target and Wall-Mart don't know these are available at any price. Direct marketing, for example, would blow the roof off of traditional Disney title sales with boomers and Grandparents. But the company prefers to pretend they don't exist. Access is everything. Demand must be created, as it always was with reissues.
I think that gardener14 is wondering (as am I) if there is a DVD/VHS collection entitled the Disney Educational Series (you know, like how there is a Gold Collection series, Platinum Edition Series, etc.). I just looked for "Justin Morgan Had a Horse" on DVD on Amazon, and it's not there, and UD lists it as being OOP on VHS...if it's on DVD, it's news to us. Any information would be welcome!Mr. Toad wrote:For the 38th time Mr. Toad is proud to present the comlete list of Educational Shorts.gardener14 wrote: What is the Disney Educational Series, and how does one obtain these titles?
That's exactly what I was asking...not for an overly long list of unrelated "educational" programs. The post that prompted my question made it sound as though there is a dvd series containing A Light in the Forest and Justin Morgan Had a Horse, but I'm unaware of these dvd's or that so-called Educational series. Could you please enlighten me?blackcauldron85 wrote: I think that gardener14 is wondering (as am I) if there is a DVD/VHS collection entitled the Disney Educational Series (you know, like how there is a Gold Collection series, Platinum Edition Series, etc.). I just looked for "Justin Morgan Had a Horse" on DVD on Amazon, and it's not there, and UD lists it as being OOP on VHS...if it's on DVD, it's news to us. Any information would be welcome!