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Big Disney Fan wrote:

disneyprincess11 wrote:So, just because WDAS is DYING to do a CGI movie, they immediately have to give it to Pixar?

(And to the movie's defense: WIR has a HUGE Pixar feeling to it. Even my sis thought it was Pixar)

Whereas Brave, which is a Pixar movie, feels just the opposite!

It's almost like they both should have gone to the other studio, right? But then again, Brave would have probably been a bit similar to Brother Bear and I'm sure would have still ended up a CG movie either way.

Mickeyfan1990 wrote: Renaissance Era:
-The Fox and The Hound to Brother Bear

I don't know, I'm not sure I'd throw Brother Bear, Treasure Planet, or Atlantis in with films like TLM and B&tB, although I guess they were experimenting with the latter two, too. I would actually label the dark period of the 2000's something along those lines, since a lot of those films seem to be exploring new things (for Disney anyway), just unsuccessfully.

OMG! I was trying to change my behavior for complaining of the fate of 2D hand drawn animation until suddenly 2Disney4Ever came in and continuing this obsession of the medium. I just don't know what to say.

TsWade2 wrote:OMG! I was trying to change my behavior for complaining of the fate of 2D hand drawn animation until suddenly 2Disney4Ever came in and continuing this obsession of the medium. I just don't know what to say.

Well hey, it's not like it's really our fault we've been complaining about it.

Besides, I had been eager to meet you here since I felt like you were a kindred spirit on the matter. Now I'm not quite sure.

2Disney4Ever wrote:

TsWade2 wrote:OMG! I was trying to change my behavior for complaining of the fate of 2D hand drawn animation until suddenly 2Disney4Ever came in and continuing this obsession of the medium. I just don't know what to say.

Well hey, it's not like it's really our fault we've been complaining about it.

Besides, I had been eager to meet you here since I felt like you were a kindred spirit on the matter. Now I'm not quite sure.

I am kindred spirit for hand drawn, it's just that I don't want over do it. Like the last post I put when I call Bob Iger a bastard and a jerk. And I even call John Lasseter a douchebag. Now I finally realize these are not worth it. And it's not very healthy to be obsessed about it either. I'm sure Disney will do another 2D hand drawn animated movie someday. We just need to try to be patient. That's all.

TsWade2 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote: Well hey, it's not like it's really our fault we've been complaining about it.

Besides, I had been eager to meet you here since I felt like you were a kindred spirit on the matter. Now I'm not quite sure.

I am kindred spirit for hand drawn, it's just that I don't want over do it. Like the last post I put when I call Bob Iger a bastard and a jerk. And I even call John Lasseter a douchebag. Now I finally realize these are not worth it. And it's not very healthy to be obsessed about it either. I'm sure Disney will do another 2D hand drawn animated movie someday. We just need to try to be patient. That's all.

So I guess until then I'll just have to put up with sitting through more years of new CG movies from Disney, which are all practically worthless to me when I believe that they're not supposed to even be making CG movies at all. Good thing I made a conscious decision after Frozen not to pay any attention to their current animated films anymore (unless of course they have to get shoved in my face by their advertising), so don't expect me to even care about what Big Hero 6 is, let alone look at the trailer for it.

But I think this is getting way off-topic, so I should just stop here.

2Disney4Ever, please leave TsWade2 alone and stop harassing him.

disneyprincess11 wrote:2Disney4Ever, please leave TsWade2 alone and stop harassing him.

Thank you.

disneyprincess11 wrote:2Disney4Ever, please leave TsWade2 alone and stop harassing him.

I'm not trying to harass him. In fact I joined here with the hope that we could be friends since, from what I've observed from this forum before, he was very much like me. He loved to stand up for 2D animation and clearly hated how Disney has been treating it these days. I considered him and myself to be the more rational Disney fans because of that. Not so sure he feels the same way now, but at least I still understand how illogical it is to still give praise to Disney while they're losing their way as a hand-drawn studio.

2Disney4Ever wrote:

disneyprincess11 wrote:2Disney4Ever, please leave TsWade2 alone and stop harassing him.

I'm not trying to harass him. In fact I joined here with the hope that we could be friends since, from what I've observed from this forum before, he was very much like me. He loved to stand up for 2D animation and clearly hated how Disney has been treating it these days. I considered him and myself to be the more rational Disney fans because of that. Not so sure he feels the same way now, but at least I still understand how illogical it is to still give praise to Disney while they're losing their way as a hand-drawn studio.

I'm sorry, but will you just shut up already and deal with it, for now!

2dDisney4ever, I'm sorry but people aren't going to take you seriously, if you keep going on like this. Look, I like hand-drawn too and I would like to see it make a return to the big screen as well but you are being unfair to all of the computer animated Disney films, that have been brought up in this topic, just because you don't like them, doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to consider them classics, be it Chicken Little (yes,some people like this movie), Meet The Robinsons, Bolt, Dinosaur (this does count as CGI, right?), Wreck-It Ralph, Tangled, Frozen, or the upcoming Big Hero 6 and after that, Giants, which I am very much looking forward to. People like and cherish these movies just as much Snow White, Cinderella, Beauty and The Beast and The Little Mermaid. I also realized that I never answered this post but I agree with the OP on the Golden Age but my Renaissance era would probably go from The Little Mermaid to Tarzan. And I think, he's spot with his Dark age and as for this new age, which I agree started with The Princess and the Frog, I like to call it a revitalization.

Nah, I think my views on their CG movies are quite just. They shouldn't have been made because Disney is meant to be a hand-drawn studio. Period.

Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this matter but say that Tangled and Frozen were hand-drawn but had the same characters, same actors, same stories, and same songs, would you still hate these movies?

moviefan12 wrote:Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this matter but say that Tangled and Frozen were hand-drawn but had the same characters, same actors, same stories, and same songs, would you still hate these movies?

Well if they were hand-drawn they would be proper Disney movies, so I guess not.

2Disney4Ever wrote:

moviefan12 wrote:Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this matter but say that Tangled and Frozen were hand-drawn but had the same characters, same actors, same stories, and same songs, would you still hate these movies?

Well if they were hand-drawn they would be proper Disney movies, so I guess not.

My God! Refusing to see a CGI Disney movie is very sad. And you are a sad person.

2Disney4Ever wrote:Well if they were hand-drawn they would be proper Disney movies, so I guess not.

Again, that statement is very ignorant.

2Disney's ideas are flawed. So Disney could make any shitty movie and as long as it's hand-drawn it's "good" in your eyes. You must love Home on the Range.

TsWade2 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote: I'm not trying to harass him. In fact I joined here with the hope that we could be friends since, from what I've observed from this forum before, he was very much like me. He loved to stand up for 2D animation and clearly hated how Disney has been treating it these days. I considered him and myself to be the more rational Disney fans because of that. Not so sure he feels the same way now, but at least I still understand how illogical it is to still give praise to Disney while they're losing their way as a hand-drawn studio.

I'm sorry, but will you just shut up already and deal with it, for now!

Wow! What a debate! And that's not even the topic of this thread! But I'll give my 2 cents worth anyway:

To TsWade2 and 2Disney4Ever: I love 2D animation as much as you guys do, especially when done by the early Disney studio. When I look at films such as Snow White, Pinocchio, Fantasia, Bambi and Sleeping Beauty with all that meticulous detail and think it was all done by hand, I'm left flabbergasted and speechless. I mean, in Sleeping Beauty alone, is hard to imagine how they did every single fairy magic spark by hand, and not to mention Fantasia with it's superb style and detail that was WAY ahead of its time!

In the Disney Rennaissance era of the 1990's they were showcasing how they could achieve all that detail with the "new then" CGI technology (I still remember the documentaries for Beauty and the Beast showcasing the CGI of the ballroom scene, or The Lion King's wildebeast stampede, or Mulan's hun horde charging down the mountain).

And then came the switch to CGI. Like you, I was very sad about this as the art of handdrawn animation is unique, and now it really is a dying art. That's why we need to treasure those classics because even if Disney does a new handrawn 2D animated film again, it will never be same because they will always use some form of CGI to achieve the best effects. It's just a lot easier, cheaper and time-effective than hand-drawing and hand-painting every single individual cell like they used to do. And remember that it's always about cutting costs, increasing time efficiency, and turning in a good profit. Walt really pushed for detail and art. But Disney is no longer a house of art as it used to be. It is a business and so they think like a business.

I do not take the merit out of the best recent Disney CGI films like Tangled, WIR and Frozen. They are great films on their own and have their own place. But they can't compare to the early classics, as films like those will never return. So it's pointless to keep lamenting and attacking each other over that.
Let's treasure this dying art form in the same way we treasure the artistic works of classic artists like Michaelangelo, DaVinci, Picasso, and others. Their art was theirs and unique, as is the art of the fabled 9 Old Men and the Big Boss himself, Walt Disney. An art form that will never return in its entirety in the way it was originally made.

I suppose this is a bit off topic, but the only film I'm kind of iffy on as being included in the WDAS/WDFA official "canon" is Dinosaur. I'm not too clear about the history, but that was a Secret Lab film, which I think should be considered a different studio despite its relations to WDFA. Wasn't it retroactively added to the "list" as well?

As for the 2D rants being brought up here, I am recalling some fond memories of the "Disney Essence (TM)"... It's a different issue, yet very similar...

ce1ticmoon wrote:I suppose this is a bit off topic, but the only film I'm kind of iffy on as being included in the WDAS/WDFA official "canon" is Dinosaur. I'm not too clear about the history, but that was a Secret Lab film, which I think should be considered a different studio despite its relations to WDFA. Wasn't it retroactively added to the "list" as well?

As for the 2D rants being brought up here, I am recalling some fond memories of the "Disney Essence (TM)"... It's a different issue, yet very similar...

I think it was added in order to make Tangled the 50th animated film in the studio's history. Yeah, it's really weird..