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Luke wrote:DisneyFreak5282,

One of the things talked about in the posting guidelines (I'm pretty sure) is that rather than posting twice in a row, you should edit your post and put in the second post as the second half of your post. It just makes it easier to read a thread and keep track of who said it, since the comments are linked together. The edit button appears in the top right corner of your post. I've already taken the liberty of combining your last two posts, but for future reference, hope that helps! Thanks.

Sorry, Luke! I'll keep that in mind next time!

Lazario wrote:Anyway - I guess it all comes down to Budget.

You're so right! That's all Disney cares about! Not quality, not satisfaction, just money! They just want to spend as little money as possible! I tell you, if that doesn't scream laziness, I don't know what does.

I hate to say it, but it really has all to do with Disney becoming the Family entertainment giant media conglomeration that they are today. They are their own worst enemy in a way, they often feel it's a necessity to do what they think is right for the majority of tomorrow's home audience. And that of course means, financially, for the people who they think are most likely to be their bread and butter. They are one of those Things unto itself, that are more swayed by delusions of financial gain than actual customer satisfaction (overall) so they feel that upsetting one group of fans, however loyal, is not going to hurt their reputation. And they're right about that. And if this weren't mostly true, megalomaniacal freaks like Michael Eisner would never have been a problem / caused so many problems. It's not just - anything for a buck, anymore. It's anything to save a buck because they (somebody / some group running them) figure no one who makes any difference will actually care or make trouble for them as a faithful Customer demographic.

That, you know - no matter how many times they spit at you or kick you in the face, you'll keep coming back because they've got what you want. Which is exactly the thought process, I think, that masterminded the whole Vault procedure in the first place. But, that being said, now the allusion of The Vault doesn't make any sense because they keep editing their things of Great Value, so... Oy, my head hurts. Trying to figure out crazy Disney is a lot of thinkin' work!

Excuse me, two things wrong here: 1) that's kinda strong and 2) a little off-topic. I thought it was about declining quality in PEs. Maybe they'll save the heavy artillery for the Blu-Ray.

Big Disney Fan wrote:Excuse me, two things wrong here: 2) a little off-topic

Excuse me, I don't agree.

Big Disney Fan wrote:that's kinda strong

That's the point.

But I thought this thread was about the lack of quality in PE DVDs, not the Disney people trying get without giving first.

And you are right about that. But, I didn't go off-topic. This topic is about Disney DVDs and I'm talking about Disney's DVDs and the way they treat the people who buy them. That's on-topic.

Thank you for your concern.

Big Disney Fan wrote:Excuse me, two things wrong here: 1) that's kinda strong and 2) a little off-topic. I thought it was about declining quality in PEs. Maybe they'll save the heavy artillery for the Blu-Ray.

But they're not are they? So far their blu-ray discs have been disappointing at best, even when we know that they have extra stuff they could put on. And Cars, a normal DVD they have held back on, will be released on DVD before the blu-ray release... trust me.

I know blu-ray is new, but even when blu-ray becomes mainstream (or HD DVD does) they'll be something else for Disney to look forward to... interactive TV presentations, downloadable content... they could be saving stuff for ever and ever if that's their thinking. There'll always be something better around the corner. Even with Blu-Ray. Why put everything on a 50gb disc, when 100gb and 200gb discs are promised (and provide an ideal double-dip opportunity for the studio?)

I think the simple answer is, Disney (and others) don't need to put all-singing, all dancing extras on. They will sell just as many if they don't. Look at Cars for example. Or the single-disc Tarzan reissue. The fact is most people buy DVDs without looking at the extras... and any extras they do look at are carefully selected (Notice how Cars has everything surveys indicate people want on a DVD).

2099net wrote:I think the simple answer is, Disney (and others) don't need to put all-singing, all dancing extras on. They will sell just as many if they don't.

Exactly

That's my point. And it's a very good one, regardless of strength of wording.

Lazario wrote:And if this weren't mostly true, megalomaniacal freaks like Michael Eisner would never have been a problem / caused so many problems.... Which is exactly the thought process, I think, that masterminded the whole Vault procedure in the first place. But, that being said, now the allusion of The Vault doesn't make any sense because they keep editing their things of Great Value, so... Oy, my head hurts. Trying to figure out crazy Disney is a lot of thinkin' work!

But Roy E. Disney actually was the one who thought of the whole "Vault" concept. Certainly he's not in it for a buck, because he's related to Walt after all.

I'm not going to go completely off-topic, as I've discussed it before, but I'll say the Vault concept was created for more reasons than financial ones Laz.

As far as lack of Platinum quality, I think Netty(once again ) hit the nail here. While I'm sure some of it has to do with Blu-Ray, the fact that people, unfortunately, just don't care about bonus features is really the main reason. Why look, Disney put so much effort into Aladdin's release, a little more than two years later, it STILL hasn't passed expectations. Bambi had way better features than Cinderella, but Cinderella being more marketable(sadly) made more than Bambi. For an even more recent example, 90% of all of Narnia's sold discs were the single disc. I'm sure the upcoming 4-Disc will sell even less.

It really shares the same thing as the death of hand-drawn animation; Disney shouldn't be blamed for it, audiences should for simply not caring.

Yet, when all is said and done, Disney hasn't completely lost it. I haven't bought The Little Mermaid Platinum yet(and probably never will ) but the set looks to be containing quite a bit. And from the looks of it, "Peter Pan" is also going to get great treatment as well. I mean it already has a commentary, yet Disney is going to the trouble to record ANOTHER commentary. Certainly that has to count for something, especially for a release that was supposably being made for promotion.

Well... After all this, I'm glad to say I never started collecting Disney DVDs. The last thing anyone needs is another source of disappointment in their lives.

Lazario wrote:Well... After all this, I'm glad to say I never started collecting Disney DVDs. The last thing anyone needs is another source of disappointment in their lives.

If you ever do plan on collecting, though, Laz, and you want a DVD set that is already perfect as is and doesn't need a new edition be it DVD again or Blul-Ray, I wholeheartedly recommend the Pocahontas: 10th Anniversary Edition, which shows how non-Platinum Disney DVDs *should* be treated.

-Proper version of the film (with "If I Never Knew You" re-instated), along with the theatrical version.
-Wonderful and informative audio commentary
-Well-done TV documentary (28 minutes)
-Early Presentation Reel & Multi-Language Reel
-Storyboard-to-film Comparison
-Production Progression
-Music Featurette
-Expansive Still Galleries
-Deleted scenes, many with audio commentaries
-Trailers and a Premiere featurette

Plus, it's got the kiddie stuff like an art project, a set-top game, and some sing-alongs. Not to mention two music videos which are okay, but not necessarily my cup of tea.

Escapay

Ah, really the reason I haven't started collecting Disney DVDs yet is that I want to give them my full concentration. Right now, I'm still working on that horror collection. But everytime I keep thinking that soon I'll start... I see something that keeps discouraging me.

But I know exactly what you mean by... Cup of tea. I like the idea of trivia games - question and answer sort of thing. Quizzes. But, the things I'm always much more attracted to are the nostalgia pieces. The old TV specials and such. I guess I never said that before. Archive stuff is my #1. Which is why I guess the Treasures are the things that have the greatest appeal to me.

But - I'm going to put all of that right out of my mind because the holidays are coming up and that means : gift-buying for a whole bunch of other people.

Big Disney Fan wrote:Excuse me, two things wrong here: 1) that's kinda strong and 2) a little off-topic. I thought it was about declining quality in PEs. Maybe they'll save the heavy artillery for the Blu-Ray.

Regarding the less good aspects of the PEs I'm afraid I think Lazario is very much to the point.

I remember reading in the forum that in Bambi they digitally removed a racoon, is this rtue?

Beastboyravenz wrote:I remember reading in the forum that in Bambi they digitally removed a racoon, is this rtue?

Seriously? That would be odd. But why would they do that? If anyone finds any further info, let me know.

Escapay wrote: If you ever do plan on collecting,and you want a DVD set that is already perfect as is and doesn't need a new edition be it DVD again or Blul-Ray, I wholeheartedly recommend the Pocahontas: 10th Anniversary Edition, which shows how non-Platinum Disney DVDs *should* be treated.

-Proper version of the film (with "If I Never Knew You" re-instated), along with the theatrical version.
-Wonderful and informative audio commentary
-Well-done TV documentary (28 minutes)
-Early Presentation Reel & Multi-Language Reel
-Storyboard-to-film Comparison
-Production Progression
-Music Featurette
-Expansive Still Galleries
-Deleted scenes, many with audio commentaries
-Trailers and a Premiere featurette

Plus, it's got the kiddie stuff like an art project, a set-top game, and some sing-alongs. Not to mention two music videos which are okay, but not necessarily my cup of tea.

So basically the 10th Anniversary of Pocahontas is like the 'bread and butter' of any Disney DVD collection?

I considered purchasing it at Target last night, but it didn't have a slipcover (don't yell at me, Escapay, I just feel that it protects the case of the DVD so that it won't get damaged).

One infamous error that has now been corrected occurs at the end of the movie when the animals come out of the water after the forest fire. A raccoon appears and then suddenly pops off the screen in the middle of the scene. According to Bossert, it was actually caused when the camera operator inadvertently put the raccoon on the wrong peg.

I found this paragraph above, explaining about the racoon.

Beastboyravenz wrote:One infamous error that has now been corrected occurs at the end of the movie when the animals come out of the water after the forest fire. A raccoon appears and then suddenly pops off the screen in the middle of the scene. According to Bossert, it was actually caused when the camera operator inadvertently put the raccoon on the wrong peg.

I found this paragraph above, explaining about the racoon.

So, it's not on the PE DVD? Would it be on the 1997 VHS release?

It most likely will be, It's soo unfortunate they removed this error, I personally feel it's an important part of the film. It's Walt's mistake and they should've left it as it was in respect to him. I feel a mistake has to be fixed if desired by the origanal makers of the film and nobody else.

DisneyFreak5282 wrote:

Beastboyravenz wrote:I remember reading in the forum that in Bambi they digitally removed a racoon, is this rtue?

Seriously? That would be odd. But why would they do that? If anyone finds any further info, let me know.

Escapay wrote: If you ever do plan on collecting,and you want a DVD set that is already perfect as is and doesn't need a new edition be it DVD again or Blul-Ray, I wholeheartedly recommend the Pocahontas: 10th Anniversary Edition, which shows how non-Platinum Disney DVDs *should* be treated.

-Proper version of the film (with "If I Never Knew You" re-instated), along with the theatrical version.
-Wonderful and informative audio commentary
-Well-done TV documentary (28 minutes)
-Early Presentation Reel & Multi-Language Reel
-Storyboard-to-film Comparison
-Production Progression
-Music Featurette
-Expansive Still Galleries
-Deleted scenes, many with audio commentaries
-Trailers and a Premiere featurette

Plus, it's got the kiddie stuff like an art project, a set-top game, and some sing-alongs. Not to mention two music videos which are okay, but not necessarily my cup of tea.

So basically the 10th Anniversary of Pocahontas is like the 'bread and butter' of any Disney DVD collection?

The "bread and butter" of any Disney DVD collection should be the Fantasia Anthology, but Pocahontas is definitely in the top five, IMO.

DisneyFreak5282 wrote:I considered purchasing it at Target last night, but it didn't have a slipcover (don't yell at me, Escapay, I just feel that it protects the case of the DVD so that it won't get damaged).

I won't yell at you, I'll just hang my head in shame and point out that *proper* care of the DVD and the Amaray case that holds it shouldn't ever require a slipcover. Keep it on the shelf but don't make the shelf too tight with cases. Handle them as carefully as you would the DVD, and don't lend them to idiots who don't know how to take care of them properly.

Escapay