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numba1lostboy wrote:If they laid off their 2D staff, whatever happened to Glen Keane? Does anyone know?

I know that he is directing Rapunzel. Other than that, I don't know. Enchanted looks very charming, and we've needed a live action/animated movie for awhile now, coming from Disney, that is. I'm hoping the best for this movie, and I might just see it in theaters.

My gosh, Giselle looks beautiful! I love her already. Exactly the way Disney princesses should look.
But I wonder was it Disney or James Baxter -studio who designed these animated characters? I hope it was Disney. And I hope that James Baxter himself did the animation for Giselle, because he is without a question one of the big masters of animation nowadays.

numba1lostboy wrote:If they laid off their 2D staff, whatever happened to Glen Keane? Does anyone know?

As TSoD has mentioned, Mr Keane saw what was coming and made the leap to CGI. He has for the past few years been busy undertaking his directorial debut on Rapunzel.

And what about the others? Mark Henn, Andreas Deja... Are they still with Disney, and if so what are they doing now?

Dottie wrote:And what about the others? Mark Henn, Andreas Deja... Are they still with Disney, and if so what are they doing now?

I think Mark Henn left in 2004 after Home on the Range was completed to set up with some other animators whateveritwascalled studios, and I think that was the last the was heard of him.

Andreas Deja worked on Bambi 2, and I believe is actually currently being employed as a supervisor on Enchanted.

Both have made odd appearances of bonus features, Deja in particular is becoming a frequent sight on DVD features.

The animation and just in the general the "look" of Bambi 2 was really amazing so I'm glad they have people on board Enchanted who worked on that film.

I know alot may disagree with me, but I thought the visual look of Bambi 2 was breathtaking, especially the scene where Bambi sees his mother again, that one really made my jaw drop.

I haven't seen the whole Bambi 2 yet, but what I saw was really good. It had the charm of the original and the animation was clean and nice. Certainly one of the better movies from the Disney Company in the last years.

look what i found
a video in wich you can see a animated scene
it is poor quality, but still very cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgheZS2V3zo

supertalies wrote:look what i found
a video in wich you can see a animated scene
it is poor quality, but still very cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgheZS2V3zo

You're a little late (and it's still on the same topics page in the forum):
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=18152

This should be helpful:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=17858

Okay, well, Disney's Annual Report for 2006 gave us two new images from Enchanted. I couldn't find the one of the logo for some reason, so I just stole both pictures from www.jimhillmedia.com and will present them here:



The logo almost looks foreboding, like a scarier, perhaps more Grimm fairy tale (even though this will be a comedy). As for the frame from the film, it looks much better than the previous animation we've seen... And it's not just the shadows and lighting, the characters seem to be drawn a bit better. Still, it just doesn't look like Disney to me! Which is probably because, in fact, it isn't Disney. Disney has (or had, thanks to 2-D being thrown out) their training program and ways of doing things, then James Baxter has his. At least it's beautiful.

I love the font they've chosen for the main title. It looks almost Tim Burton-esque.

Plus there's the briefest of mentions of that soon-to-begin-shooting "National Treasure" sequel, "National Treasure 2: The Book of Secrets." Though -- oddily enough -- no mention at all of Jerry Bruckheimer's next project for Walt Disney Pictures. Which is a big screen adaptation of that best-selling Ubisoft game, "Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time."

Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute....Prince of Persia Movie???! By Disney, of all people?? SWEET. Though I doubt they will adapt the other ones as those are damn gory and brutal in the game.

Caballero Girl wrote:I love the font they've chosen for the main title. It looks almost Tim Burton-esque.

Yeah, I like it too. It has a very fairy tale feel to it, and it looks better than the rumoured gold on pink background one, which, I must say, if used at the end of it all, would easily make the film flop.

I like the new logo, it looks so, uuhhmm, different than I expected. I would have expected something pink or lilac, something "girlish-princessy", but it actually look more "grown-up".

The new picture is amazing!! The shadows and IMO better drawn characters make it livelier and not so "flat", as I thought it looked like in the preview. I hope the preview will look like this picture when the movie will be released.

I love the title artwork, and I hope they use it!

The still from the movie is beautiful, but I agree, it doesnt look like Disney. The animation looks like (in my opinion) a cross between Anastasia and The Swan Princess!

It's interesting that people are complaining that it doesn't look like Disney, when in fact there were several different styles of animation over the years at Disney.

If you compare the initial Disney shorts and the movies from the 30's and 40's, you can see a definite evolution and step forward once we get to the 50's. In fact, even Bambi represented a massive leap from Snow White when you compare the realism of the animals. I think there's a definite style that flows through Cinderella, Alice and Peter Pan, but then Sleeping Beauty stands out with a style all it's own. When we get to the movies of the 80's and 90's, there's been a huge shift in style with the likes of The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King. And I think after The Lion King, we started to see even more variation in style between films with the likes of Pocahontas, Emperor's New Groove, Tarzan, Atlantis and Home on the Range.

Even when you look at the package films of the 40's, you can see so many different styles within each single film. I think probably the one period where there was more of a 'Disney style' was probably throughout the 60's, 70's and early 80's. I think 101 Dalmatians really set that style which continued throughout films like The Jungle Book, The Aristocats, Robin Hood and even on into films like The Rescuers and The Black Cauldron. Even if you look at the live action / animation mix films like Mary Poppins, Bedknobs and Broomsticks and Pete's Dragon, you can see this Disney style of animation.

Personally, I think The Little Mermaid was probably the film that broke this style and really paved the way for some real artistic variation between the look of each film, which we probably hadn't seen since the heady days of the 30's and 40's.

That's just my opinion really, but I've been rewatching the classics and think there are definite patterns in different era's, but it's a bit harder to define exactly what the Disney style is.

I'm looking forward for this movie, it's been a while since disney released a live-action\animation movie.
And i'm even more satisfied knowing it's NOT a CGI movie...

I may be repeating what is already here, but James Baxter of BATB Belle fame is responsible for the 2D animation in ENCHANTED. Originally, the plan was to use a 3D CGI fantasy sequence, but James and his artists out in his small studio in Pasadena CA came up with a 2D approach and test that sold the concept of using a 2D sequence instead.

As for 2D at Disney, currently most of the 3D, not 2D, artists have been laid off, and J. Lassetter has been mandating all remaining animators need to prove they can DRAW (requiring reel and portfolio submissions to prove it). That department is still in flux, but there are tons of former 2D'ers hoping it comes to pass.

I've posted some new pics of "Enchanted" that I've found mostly at the Disney Central Plaza Forum.

These two are original concept art:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... 006/17.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... 006/18.jpg

This one shows where the animators got the inspiration for Giselle's dress:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... 006/02.jpg

The next four are fan art by Prince Kido, a member of the forum:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... ilson2.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... ilson6.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... ilson8.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... ilson4.jpg

This is original art as well. I've found it at Harald Siepermann's blog and it features character sketches he has drawn for the movie:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... 6/03-1.jpg

This one is an effort of me trying to draw Princess Giselle with Microsoft Paint. It really sucks, i know, it looks more like Jessica Rabbit instead of her. But since it took me quite long to do it i thought to post it anyway (drawing with Microsoft Paint is so difficult. I couldn't draw even a line straight).

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208 ... FINAL4.jpg

Nice!!! Thanks for posting these, sotiris2006!!!
And btw, I love your avatar!!!