I imagined few songs in other languages had probably won the category, but I didn't know there were just three. I knew it wouldn't be the first one in Spanish, though, because I remembered about "Al otro lado del río". I'm very curious to listen to "Dos Oruguitas" and see if it really seems to have chances or not.estefan wrote:By the way, if "Dos Oruguitas" wins Best Original Song at the Oscars, it would be the fourth song not in English to win the category. The previous non-English winners were "Never on Sunday" from the movie of the same name (in Greek), "Al otro lado del rio" from The Motorcycle Dairies (in Spanish) and "Jai Ho" from Slumdog Millionaire (in Hindi).
Maybe The Disney Store will have adult sizes. We'll find out very soon.blackcauldron85 wrote:Hmmm. All but maybe 3 plain "Encanto" logo t-shirts at Box Lunch are Youth sizes. Are they primarily marketing the film to kids? Raya had a bunch of adult-sized shirts (at different stores).
Interesting observation. Maybe you're right. Dolores actually looks a bit scary to me there with her eyes lit up like that.Disney's Divinity wrote:The doors are interesting. The only other door like Bruno's where the eyes are fully open rather than being lines is Dolores. I suppose that could symbolize they both have knowledge of some kind--hers through hearing and his through seeing the future.
That's an interesting theory, but Antonio is younger than Mirabel and he does receive a gift, so I don't think Bruno's absence will be the reason for Mirabel's lack of powers.Disney's Divinity wrote:What I also wonder now that we see Bruno's door is not lit up is if that has something to do with Mirabel's lack of powers. We don't know exactly when he leaves / is thrown out of the family and his door loses its light, do we? Perhaps he left not long before Mirabel was born and because the family was broken, no new gift could be given? As in, all the doors there have to be lit up in order for further powers to be given or something like that? The original powers may be divide outwards to each member as they're born and when one is absent from the house, it's not possible for the powers to be at their full strength. I assume when a person dies, their door would disappear altogether.
Maybe she didn't decorate it because it's not only her room, but she shares it with Antonio.Disney's Divinity wrote:I'm surprised they didn't have the creators didn't have Mirabel decorate her door herself over the years, perhaps have it look similar to her skirt which she made herself, I believe?
It's true that they are reusing the same poses a lot. I wonder if they didn't create many poses for each character because there are so many of them. But Camilo's pose in that poster is actually not exactly the same as the one he had on the previous ones. It's very similar, though, so it's not strange you thought it was the same.unprincess wrote:I love the door posters! I love that Camilo got his own door poster, but I wish they'd give him and his sister new clip art already, Im sick of seeing them with those same friggin poses in everything! I love Bruno's door too, very ominous.
It's true it's a bit weird the dolls play "The Family Madrigal" instead of Mirabel's "I Want" song. "Waiting on a Miracle" being written late in the production makes sense as a possible explanation for that. If it really was one of the last songs written for the film, perhaps they'll mention it in a future interview and we'll have confirmation of that.Sotiris wrote:I'm glad Mirabel is getting an 'I Want' song. For a moment I thought she wouldn't get one. That raises the question though as to why all of her dolls have her singing the 'Happy Village' song, "Familia Madrigal" instead of her signature song. When that happens it's usually because the song in question is spoiler-filled, which "Waiting for a Miracle" doesn't seem to be, or because it was written very late in the production process and the manufacturing of dolls and other merch had already started. LMM said he finds it difficult to write 'I Want' songs, so that might be the reason.
Why do you think the duet between Mirabel and Isabela will be comedic?Sotiris wrote:Anyway, I'm still holding out for hope for "Waiting for a Miracle" and the duet between Mirabel and Isabela, even though the latter seems to be a comedic song which are usually not my cup of tea.
I personally found Mirabel adorable there, but I agree about the characters breaking the fourth wall. At first, I thought they were showing us the kids' point of view and that's why Mirabel was looking at the camera, but I guess that's not what it is because there aren't any kids around her at the beginning of the clip and she's already looking at the camera there. In my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to use that stylistic device here. It looks as if someone was following Mirabel around with a camera and they were shooting a making of video or something.Sotiris wrote:I didn't care the clip from the "Familia Madrigal" sequence. Mirabel was acting all hyper with a lot of dorky poses and frantic movements. They are clearly going for an Ugly Betty-type with her. I'm actually surprised they didn't give her braces. Some of the camera angles were awkward and unconventional as well. I hated the fact Mirabel and others break the fourth wall and directly speak to the audience. That took me completely out of the experience.
I think one of the options you mention will definitely happen, I agree that most likely the second one, but I don't think it'll be the end of their relationship. The fact that Mariano sings in the last musical number of the film, which I imagine is about everybody making up and celebrating they're united again as a family, makes me think they'll end up together. Although, I guess it's also possible they decide to be just friends.Sotiris wrote:I'm pleased there's some romance in the film with Isabela and Mariano, but I'm worried they're going to break them up by the end of the film. Either Mariano is going to dump her for losing her powers, or more likely, she's going to dump him by telling him that he doesn't know the real her and he only fell in love with the illusion of perfection she projects.
Now, I don't think Bruno will be a villain at all either. I agree him being one could've made sense, and in my opinion, it could've been interesting, but the themes about misunderstandings between the family, some not knowing what other family members are going through and things like that also sound very interesting to me, so we'll see. If it's well developed, I personally might prefer that to a villain.Sotiris wrote:I was hoping that Bruno would be the villain, but that doesn't seem to be the case. A twist/redeemed villain is better than no villain at all, in my book. It's clear to me that the magic disappearing is a product of how the family had treated Bruno, and is now treating Mirabel, and how various family members are becoming emotionally closed off which threatens the family unit. However, I would have preferred if it was because of a scheme devised by Bruno who wants to destroy the magic. It makes perfect sense given how his gift was like a curse to him and how it alienated him from his friends and family. He has more than enough reasons to want the magic gone. It's a shame Disney doesn't seem willing to go there. Maybe they'll surprise me and that will turn out to be the case, but given how Bruno came back to guide and assist Mirabel in saving the magic, it seems unlikely.
Yes, they have Mirabel in the title, but the full Japanese title is actually Mirabel and the Magical House. Sotiris posted some of the international titles here. I find it interesting that in many countries they've added a subtitle, but I guess it makes sense since Encanto is a Spanish word and not a well-known one outside of Spanish speaking countries.DisneyFan09 wrote:And pardon me for missing it, but judging from the Japanese TV spots, it seems like the movie will be named Mirabel in Japan.
Source: https://twitter.com/zachbgilbert/status ... 7674913792The scene featuring “Dos Oruguitas” - the track that Disney is pushing for Best Original Song - is one of the most moving scenes I’ve seen in an animated film since the opening of UP. It honestly makes the movie, and I can almost guarantee there won’t be a dry eye in the theater.
Source: https://twitter.com/thejaredbush/status ... 0169176069The first time @Lin_Manuel played Dos Oruguitas we all had to turn off our zoom video because no one could keep it together. First song he’s ever written start to finish in Spanish and arguably one of the most emotional songs Lin-Manuel has ever written.
Source: https://twitter.com/ScottMendelson/stat ... 2450455552The songs are redundant and gratuitous, but otherwise Disney's #Encanto is very good. A visual marvel that diversifies in terms of representation *and* storytelling. A surprisingly compelling supernatural mystery with a grounded emotional impact that pays off in spades.
Source: https://twitter.com/TheGregoryE/status/ ... 8517212165Encanto is very good and often quite funny. One of the most beautifully lit animated films I’ve ever seen (really) with spectacular musical numbers. The song melodies are a little forgettable but Lin Manuel Miranda knocks it out of the park lyrically.
Most important for Disney —- woman in my screening was bawling the last 15 min. should be a nice hit in theaters
He did write it late in production:D82 wrote:It's true it's a bit weird the dolls play "The Family Madrigal" instead of Mirabel's "I Want" song. "Waiting on a Miracle" being written late in the production makes sense as a possible explanation for that. If it really was one of the last songs written for the film, perhaps they'll mention it in a future interview and we'll have confirmation of that.
https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/11/05/ ... n-encanto/Lin Manuel Miranda wrote:Right by the time I wrote 'Waiting on a Miracle,' time was of the essence not only with the production of the movie, but with @iamstephbeatz because she was eight and a half months pregnant. And it was like we really got to finish this song.
The way it's staged reminded me of Usnavi in the opening song of In the Heights, seems like he does like to break the forth wall in his songs quite often, I think it also happened in Vivo. I don't really care for it, but tbf other Disney characters did that as well, most notable - Jiminy Cricket and the Peddler/Genie.D82 wrote:I personally found Mirabel adorable there, but I agree about the characters breaking the fourth wall. At first, I thought they were showing us the kids' point of view and that's why Mirabel was looking at the camera, but I guess that's not what it is because there aren't any kids around her at the beginning of the clip and she's already looking at the camera there. In my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to use that stylistic device here. It looks as if someone was following Mirabel around with a camera and they were shooting a making of video or something.
In here they kept the name "Encanto" with no translation or a subtitle.D82 wrote:Encanto is a Spanish word and not a well-known one outside of Spanish speaking countries.
Thanks for confirming! Sotiris was right then.Farerb wrote:He did write it late in production:Stephanie gave birth in August, so the song was probably only ready in July.Lin Manuel Miranda wrote:Right by the time I wrote 'Waiting on a Miracle,' time was of the essence not only with the production of the movie, but with @iamstephbeatz because she was eight and a half months pregnant. And it was like we really got to finish this song.
It's true; it happened in the opening numbers of both of these movies. I guess it's true Lin-Manuel Miranda likes it. Yes, it happens in other Disney movies too. Well, personally I don't mind it if there's an excuse for it. Maybe there'll be one here, but right now, from the snippet we've seen, it seems a bit weird to me that she's singing that song to both the kids and the audience at the same time. It's not a big issue for me, though.Farerb wrote:The way it's staged reminded me of Usnavi in the opening song of In the Heights, seems like he does like to break the forth wall in his dongs quite often, I think it also happened in Vivo. I don't really care for it, but tbf other Disney characters did that as well, most notable - Jiminy Cricket and the Peddler/Genie.
That's interesting. Well, I've just checked Encanto's IMDb page and it seems there are also many countries that have decided to keep the original title.Farerb wrote:In here they kept the name "Encanto" with no translation or a subtitle.
I do, and I agree about the similarity to the effect in Tangled.DisneyFan09 wrote:It certainly reminded me of the part on Without Question with the golden cards, if you remember. Now that I think about it, it also reminds me of Rapunzel`s glowing hair in Healing Incantation from Tangled (when she heals Flynn Rider).
Well, that too. It can be more than one reason.DisneyFan09 wrote:Initially I thought it was because of PC-reasons (remember that Raya and the Last Dragon was also marketed as from the creators of Moana).
This implies that Bruno left either in search of a solution or to prevent that from happening if he believes his prophecies are self-fulfilling.D82 wrote:Did Bruno have a vision about it and was that why he disappeared?
It's likely. I think the biggest reason for the name-drop is that both Moana and Encanto are musicals of the revival era whose protagonists are women of color. It stands to reason that if you enjoyed Moana, you'll be persuaded to check out Encanto based on those similarities.D82 wrote:Jared Bush, who is one of the directors, also worked on Moana as screenwriter. Maybe that also contributed to the decision of choosing to mention that film.
There's no way that will happen. Every member with a gift (except maybe Bruno) loves their powers and they've had since they were little so for them to lose them for good would be devastating. Not to mention, if Mirabel fails in her quest she won't be able to prove her worth to her family and herself and the fact she wasn't given a gift by the candle's magic would have served no purpose.Nandor wrote:Something popped up in my head while watching the trailer - it wouldn't surprise me if Mirabel fails her quest and magic ends, prompting her family members to realise they're just as special without their powers.
Yeah, Disney still hires him as a freelancer to draw expression sheet for them. I'm glad he's still working for the studio and we get more of his art, but I wish they hired him to do more than a few model sheet. They should actually let him design the characters once in a while.D82 wrote:That drawing also seems made by Jin Kim. Didn't he leave Disney? However, every new movie from the studio has lots of drawings made by him. I guess he works for them as a freelance artist, right? If so, I'm very glad about it. This way, it's like he never left the studio.
I call it an 'Empowerment' song as it's usually a power ballad that focuses on the moment where a character finds their voice, expresses courage or some other inner strength, comes to an important realization or finds purpose. I don't know if there's an official name for it though.Farerb wrote:I do think Mirabel might get her own song later in the movie, I just don't think it will be an "I Want" song, I think it will be a "I am Moana"/"Show Yourself" song (don't know how to call this type of song).
That's a good guess, but if all his prophecies are self-fulfilling it renders his gift worthless and pointless. Why would the candle's magic, which is supposed to be benevolent, bestow him a gift that has no value and can never result in a positive outcome?D82 wrote:In the color script it seems what ruins Pepa's wedding is the weather. I may be wrong, but I believe what happens in that scene is that Bruno predicts they'll have bad weather in their wedding. That makes Pepa nervous, and since her emotions control the weather, the prophecy is fulfilled. Same with other family members and people from the village. Bruno's intentions are probably not bad, but people begin to think he's the one who causes his own predictions to happen. And maybe he does, albeit unintentionally.
This was confirmed in one of the TV spots you posted. You weren't far off with your theory of Bruno somehow sending those visions to Mirabel.D82 wrote:Perhaps Mirabel finds the broken shards in Bruno's room and that's what allows her to see the cracks in the walls before everyone else sees them.
Good point. They wouldn't.D82 wrote:Although, it would mean Casita would die too, and I don't know if they would actually "kill" that character.
Me too. The Cerberus in Hercules was more menacing and stylized. I would have preferred they used a mythological creature that hadn't appeared in a previous Disney movie.Disney's Divinity wrote:I personally liked the Hercules design better than the one here. I don't have a problem with that kind of creature appearing, although maybe a Minotaur or a giant bull would've been more interesting?
I would say it's also because they wanted to hammer into the audience the extended family aspect. You need a lot of family members to do that. I think the large ensemble of characters is also a by-product of the symbolic usage of number three in the Madrigal family tree with Alma having three children and each of her daughters also having the same number of kids. I agree that some characters are superfluous and could have easily been cut without affecting the story such as Luisa, Dolores, and Camilo.Farerb wrote:When I watched the trailer, I suspected that there are at least four redundant characters that they could have cut and made a tighter film. I don't know if that will eventually be the case, but with both Raya and this I feel like the unnecessary characters are mainly for merchandise (you need to buy 12 Madrigal funko pops in order to complete the set) and also to see if they can turn them into a franchise.
The female artist who designed it calls it Cerberus in her Instagram posts, so I don't think it's supposed to be a Latin-American mythological creature. I think they included Cerberus and the stadium to illustrate how Luisa possesses classical, Greco-Roman virtues and fighting skills.D82 wrote:It seems the mystery around the creature Luisa's fighting in that shot from the trailer has been solved. According to one of the comments from this trailer breakdown, it's not a Cerberus, but a "Booboo", a three-headed dog that scares children at night from a legend of the insular region of Colombia.And the building where they're fighting is not an amphitheatre, but a bullring.
It's because most of the merch illustrations are traced from CG clipart, so the result is not always great. Isabela looks more Indian than Latina in a lot of those illustrations too.unprincess wrote:But why does Mirabel look so weird in all her 2D art? It's like her head is too round.
unprincess wrote:It was just so poorly done with no foreshadowing or build up, ugh. Not even a reprise of Love Is An Open Door sung in full evil relish after the reveal which would have been perfect.
A villain reprise of the song would have added so much more to the scene. I'm disappointed now they didn't do that for the movie or the Broadway show.From what we've learned thus far, it seems the secret has nothing to do with Bruno. I think it involves Mirabel's grandparents and their past. I wonder what it could be. Maybe Alma didn't reveal the entire truth about why they left their original home or what happened during their journey. Maybe it's something about Pedro's past that not even Alma knows.D82 wrote:What is the secret hidden in this house full of magic?
I prefer the new one too. As to why they recycled the 50th one, I think it's for consistency's sake. To create a sense of uniformity for these type of milestones.D82 wrote:I wonder, though, why they didn't use the "60th Motion Picture" logo that was revealed recently and recycled the 50th one they made for Tangled instead. I actually prefer the new one.
I never heard that before. What mistakes were there in Coco, if you don't mind elaborating?D82 wrote:Coco also had a lot of consultants and there were still mistakes in the final film as far as language goes.
I'm really tired of this new trend of just having the logo as the cover for WDAS movie soundtracks. It's so boring, unimaginative, and lazy.D82 wrote:The soundtrack cover has also been revealed.
Instead of instrumental versions, why not include some demos or cut songs? I'm sure fans would appropriate it more than karaoke tracks.D82 wrote:The digital version of the soundtrack also includes instrumental versions of the songs.
It is weird, but what I find even more implausible is Isabela/Dolores and Camilo/Mirabel sharing the same age. That means Julieta and Pepa gave birth the same year, twice! By the way, do we know at what age Pedro passed away?D82 wrote:A new German book reveals the age of all the family members. I don't know if it's canon, though. Julieta, Pepa and Bruno all being all 50 is not strange since they're triplets, but it seems too much of a coincidence that Agustín and Félix are also the exact same age.
Why isn't the reprise included in the soundtrack? Or is it included but just not listed? It's strange the press release for the soundtrack mentions a reprise but it's nowhere to be found in the track listing. What's up with that?D82 wrote:I wonder what the song that's getting a reprise is. Maybe she sings in it as well.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I fully expect "All of You" to be another medley of his. Personally, I'm not fond of the practice, I prefer having an original song instead, but I suppose it can work depending on the execution.D82 wrote:Reading that quote again made me wonder if this last musical number will be completely original or if musically it will be a mishmash of some of the earlier songs in the movie like Lin did in Moana with "I Am Moana", as it seems it's one of his trademarks. He also did something similar in Vivo.
I'd prefer if Sebastian Yatra is the singing voice of Pedro and it's the character who sings the song, but that probably won't be the case going by LMM's comments about the song.D82 wrote:I also wonder if "Dos Oruguitas" is going to be sung as a voiceover or if its performer will act as the voice of a character from the movie, like Abuelo Pedro, for example.
It's not surprising considering how involved he was in all aspects of the film. It was revealed in interviews that Byron Howard, Jared Bush, and him crafted the story together. What I'm surprised by is that he wasn't given a co-director or story credit for the film.D82 wrote:It surprised me that it was Lin-Manuel Miranda who called him to offer him the job and not one of the directors or producers.
D82 wrote:I wonder if Bruno's will be closed off like that in the movie or if Mirabel's will have her name on it or if that's just for the posters.
I think it has to do with Bruno leaving Casita and/or the Encanto valley.Disney's Divinity wrote:What I also wonder now that we see Bruno's door is not lit up is if that has something to do with Mirabel's lack of powers.
Either it's something made for the posters and she won't have one in the film or she will have one because she's the protector of the magical candle.D82 wrote:It's interesting too that Abuela Alma has her own magical door as well even though she doesn't have magical powers.
The FYC website is supposed to be for all awards, not just the Oscars, so maybe they believe Free Guy has a better chance of winning or getting nominated in comedy and action movie categories some associations have like the Golden Globes or the Critics' Choice Awards. As for Jungle Cruise, while it may not visible on the homepage, it does have a listing of its own. It's safe to say it will be submitted for Oscar consideration.D82 wrote:And how come Disney is submitting Free Guy for Best Picture and not any of their animated films? I know they have no chances of getting nominated, but neither does that film. I watched it recently on Disney+ and it was better than I expected, but it's not Oscar material. Also, why is Jungle Cruise totally absent from the awards website?
I think it will be the older one. It seems the new version is just for print materials.D82 wrote:It's curious that the back features the first "60th Motion Picture" logo and not the most recent one. I wonder which one will be in front of the movie.
To me, it seems that Mirabel's imagining how it would be if she got her gift and her relatives were celebrating her.D82 wrote:I get the impression everyone is frozen in it, except for Mirabel, who is singing.
The relationship between the two sisters as well as the title of the song gives me the impression it will be an uptempo, mostly humorous song where either they'll be trying to one up each other or they'll be airing their grievances. I expect it to be similar to "Life's Too Short", conceptually-speaking. I would have preferred if Isabela got a sincere solo or a love song duet with Mariano.D82 wrote:Why do you think the duet between Mirabel and Isabela will be comedic?
Agreed. Breaking the fourth wall never works unless it's embedded in the creative work's DNA from the start.D82 wrote:In my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to use that stylistic device here. It looks as if someone was following Mirabel around with a camera and they were shooting a making of video or something.
That's good to learn. That makes me believe they'll just postpone their wedding instead of breaking up. They will need more time to date and get to know each other anew after everything that transpired.D82 wrote:The fact that Mariano sings in the last musical number of the film, which I imagine is about everybody making up and celebrating they're united again as a family, makes me think they'll end up together. Although, I guess it's also possible they decide to be just friends.
The reprise of Almost There and the Healing Incantation (at the end when Flynn dies) were part of the score and didn't have their own track, it might be the same case here.Sotiris wrote:Why isn't the reprise included in the soundtrack? Or is it included but just not listed? It's strange the press release for the soundtrack mentions a reprise but it's nowhere to be found in the track listing. What's up with that?
Have you watched Vivo or listened to its soundtrack? The music was very weak there including the song Netflix is submitting to the Oscars called "Inside Your Heart" which was utterly forgettable. His work for Moana was stronger. We'll see how Encanto's turns out.Disney's Divinity wrote:If the music is worse than his previous works which I already found weak, my expectations are underground.
Thankfully not.Sotiris wrote:Have you watched Vivo or listened to its soundtrack? The music was very weak there including the song Netflix is submitting to the Oscars called "Inside Your Heart" which was utterly forgettable. His work for Moana was stronger.Disney's Divinity wrote:If the music is worse than his previous works which I already found weak, my expectations are underground.
I know Moana was better than In the Heights. I haven't seen In the Heights on Broadway or the film either (yet, but I would like to, which is unlike me with him involved). I only heard a few songs from it via Jordin Sparks when she was briefly in the show, and I did not care for what I heard. Still, the film, its logo and acting, looked sort of impressive despite the music (although I may be mistaken if it flopped), which is why I'd like to see it.
I've always hated the practice of including pre-existing songs in original musicals. Not only can it be confusing as to who wrote which song, but it's also insulting to the songwriters working on the project (provided it wasn't their idea, of course). Why not have the musicians you're already paying to come up with a song in the same style as the one you want instead of licensing it? That's much more creative and interesting.D82 wrote:That same person also says that a pre-existing song by Colombian artist Joe Arroyo is featured in the movie as well.
I just noticed that Isabela is wearing a new dress there. There are green and orange splotches in each side of it. This must be from the end of the movie. It looks like Isabela will feel more free to experiment and express herself and become less concerned about looking perfect.D82 wrote:Better look at the wrap party invitation.
The part with the plates coming down from the shelves and moving on their own reminded of Be Our Guest. An intentional nod?D82 wrote:New promos.
I wonder from which part of the film that scene is. It's been theorized it's from "Waiting on a Miracle", but I'm not so sure given how the "Waiting on a Miracle" sequence comes early on in the film before the cracks to the house appear. Here we see Casita re-appearing which suggests this takes place after the house gets destroyed. Also, I find it interesting they're presenting Bruno as a sinister figure initially, before revealing he's not. It's like a reverse twist villain.D82 wrote:Doesn't this moment from the first one remind you of a similar one in a famous Disney song?
