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Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:20 pm
by Sotiris

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:21 pm
by UmbrellaFish
As much as I have bitched about the movie, I’m very curious to see it and keep an open mind about the finished product. I really don’t know if they can pull off what they’re trying to do. I want to avoid all reviews and I’ll even try to avoid seeing aggregate critics’ scores for the movie, too.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:37 pm
by D82
I'm never able to watch the videos on that website. I hope the clip gets uploaded to Youtube soon.
Sotiris wrote:I'm not surprised Disney screwed over Matthew Wilder and didn't let him write the new song. If they had no problem doing dirty Alan Menken and Elton John, they sure wouldn't care about a smaller fry like Wilder. I'm sure if they had let him, he would have written something better. It's such a shame. They wouldn't even let him have this after turning Mulan into a non-musical.
I agree it's unfair they didn't offer him to write it. Especially when they have given that opportunity to other original composers before like Alan Menken or Elton John (even though they could've been treated better) and they are even bringing Christina Aguilera back. And I found this song not bad because I usually don't expect much from end credits songs, but I also have no doubts that Wilder could've made a much better one.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:10 pm
by Sotiris
D82 wrote:I'm never able to watch the videos on that website. I hope the clip gets uploaded to Youtube soon.
Here you go! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfIIy6Omohw
D82 wrote:I agree it's unfair they didn't offer him to write it. Especially when they have given that opportunity to other original composers before like Alan Menken or Elton John (even though they could've been treated better) and they are even bringing Christina Aguilera back.
Yes, it most certainly is. Why does Disney think musical songwriters are incapable of writing pop songs? It's actually easier than writing plot or character-based ones. Menken wasn't allowed to write the end credit songs for Tangled and Tangled: The Series either for some inexplicable reason. But you're right in that at least he and Elton John got to write some new material and all of their songs were carried over in the remakes, something that was not afforded to Matthew. I actually thought they would have let him write the new song when Aguilera first mentioned it as a form of consolation or apology for cutting all of his songs from the film, but that would have been too considerate and thoughtful for Disney.
D82 wrote:And I found this song not bad because I usually don't expect much from end credits songs, but I also have no doubts that Wilder could've made a much better one.
I agree; it's not bad, but not great either. I'm a bit surprised though it took four people to write it.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:21 am
by blackcauldron85
Sotiris wrote:
D82 wrote:I'm never able to watch the videos on that website. I hope the clip gets uploaded to Youtube soon.
Here you go! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfIIy6Omohw
Do you think, in that moment, the commanding officer + is that her love interest? know who Mulan's dad is, + they know of no son, so they're suspicious? Because obviously in the original, it wasn't until she was injured and the medic spilled the beans...

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:00 am
by Sotiris
No, neither of them know. She outs herself as a woman after the conversation she has with the Witch that was featured in the trailers.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:50 am
by blackcauldron85
^ Thank you for clarifying! I haven't seen most of the trailers or TV spots; I was just curious!

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:25 pm
by Sotiris

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:32 pm
by D82
Thanks! I liked the clip. However, I don't find Mulan too convincing as a man. I don't think it's Liu Yifei's fault, her acting is not bad here; it's just that she looks too feminine for the role. Anyway, I guess it's more difficult to do this in live action than in animation. In the original they actually cheat a bit by making the shape of her face a little more angular when she's in disguise, for example. And, come to think of it, in other movies I've seen where a woman is disguised as a man, like Yentl for example, the transformation is not completely convincing either. Maybe when you're watching the movie, you forget about it.
Sotiris wrote:Why does Disney think musical songwriters are incapable of writing pop songs? It's actually easier than writing plot or character-based ones. Menken wasn't allowed to write the end credit songs for Tangled and Tangled: The Series either for some inexplicable reason.
Yes, that's the reason why I think they didn't ask him to write it. But, you're right, it's not true that musical songwriters can't write pop songs. Alan Menken has proved this several times.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:06 pm
by Sotiris
D82 wrote:I liked the clip. However, I don't find Mulan too convincing as a man. I don't think it's Liu Yifei's fault, her acting is not bad here; it's just that she looks too feminine for the role. Anyway, I guess it's more difficult to do this in live action than in animation.
Well, I think her acting does affect the believability of her disguise. I find her quite wooden actually, especially when she talks. Maybe it's because of the language barrier. Her performance improves in nonverbal scenes. As for the overall scene from the clip, it's not outright bad, but it comes off as somewhat sterile and dry to me.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:46 am
by Sotiris
The new "Reflection" sung by Liu Yifei in Mandarin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-MWFJNL7qU

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:41 pm
by Sotiris

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:03 am
by D82
^Thanks for the updates, Sotiris!

Here's the full B-Roll video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIlUBbWzQmw
Sotiris wrote:Well, I think her acting does affect the believability of her disguise. I find her quite wooden actually, especially when she talks. Maybe it's because of the language barrier. Her performance improves in nonverbal scenes.
Well, though I found her performance in that clip acceptable, I'm actually a bit worried about her acting in the film because, excluding the scenes at the beginning, I did find her a bit inexpressive in the trailers. But, we'll see. Maybe it's just because they mainly show her action scenes where she has to be concentrated.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:42 pm
by D82

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:40 pm
by bruno_wbt
Sotiris wrote:The new "Reflection" sung by Liu Yifei in Mandarin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-MWFJNL7qU
I love it! I wonder if she is going to record that song in English, too...


I also love Christina Aguilera's new song! I'm so glad that she is the one for the credits, like in the animated one!

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:59 pm
by D82
First reactions to Disney's live-action 'Mulan': Stunning, sexy, and you won't miss the songs
https://mashable.com/article/mulan-firs ... urope=true

Mulan's First Reactions Praise the Action, Maturity, and Beauty
https://www.ign.com/articles/mulans-fir ... and-beauty

Mulan First Reactions Suggest An Immersive Remake With Spirit Of The Original
https://screenrant.com/mulan-2020-movie ... s-reviews/

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:38 pm
by nomad2010
D82 wrote:First reactions to Disney's live-action 'Mulan': Stunning, sexy, and you won't miss the songs
https://mashable.com/article/mulan-firs ... urope=true

Mulan's First Reactions Praise the Action, Maturity, and Beauty
https://www.ign.com/articles/mulans-fir ... and-beauty

Mulan First Reactions Suggest An Immersive Remake With Spirit Of The Original
https://screenrant.com/mulan-2020-movie ... s-reviews/
I’m floored by these. Disney must have left out a ton from the trailers because I never would’ve guessed the movie these people are talking about was the one they’ve been advertising. I know first reactions are usually more positive, but these are glowing. I might actually be excited about this now.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:03 am
by Sotiris
Is that supposed to be the transformation sequence? :huh: It's painfully underwhelming. I knew they wouldn't have her cut her hair, but I never realized they would scrap the entire sequence and transition to her wearing her father's armor immediately.
bruno_wbt wrote:I love it! I wonder if she is going to record that song in English, too...
Matthew Wilder confirmed she recorded an English version too. Hopefully, it will be released soon.
bruno_wbt wrote:I'm so glad that she is the one for the credits, like in the animated one!
I'm also glad Christina got a new song; I just wish it had been written by Matthew Wilder and David Zippel instead of some random pop songwriters.

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:27 am
by Clindor
Sotiris wrote:
Is that supposed to be the transformation sequence? :huh: It's painfully underwhelming. I knew they wouldn't have her cut her hair, but I never realized they would scrap the entire sequence and transition to her wearing her father's armor immediately.

Gosh, the music is absolutely GOR-GEOUS in the sequence!!... :o :-D :-D

I hope the score for the entire film is same level! :D

Re: Mulan (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:12 am
by Sotiris
Clindor wrote:Gosh, the music is absolutely GOR-GEOUS in the sequence!!
No offense, but I find the score in that scene incredibly plain, and when compared to Jerry Goldsmith's music in the corresponding scene from the original, it sounds even worse.