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The Fires of Escapeii wrote:1940, drama/quasi-biography (Kane is a fictional version of William Randolph Hearst), RKO Radio Pictures.

Like Star Wars, it's a cinematic innovation for its time (for its then-unique use of camera angles, deep focus, make-up, sound, etc.), but the story is about as vapid and melodramatic as poorly-written high school poetry. Seriously, it bores me to death if ever I watch it (and film snobs everywhere are now lining up to throw tomatoes at me...).

Let me be one of the first then! [picks up tomato]

As we've often discussed when bemoaning Fantasia censorship, the non-release of Song of the South or Leonard Maltin's introductions on the Treasures sets, vintage film has to be looked at in context. And Citizen Kane is an amazing film when viewed in context for so many reasons.

Firstly, as Escapay point's out, this film showcased many technical innovations. They've become part of the film experience now, but like Ub Iworks' innovations in the 30s and 40s in animation (any later, beyond), the impact of these cannot be understated. All, in all, they're probably just as important historically as Jurassic Park was with its groundbreaking use of CGI and everything that came afterwards.

Secondly, the film is - probably satire is the wrong word - but it's a modern morailty tale, which constantly warns the audience of the dangers of a single person having too much power. It seems laughable now in the days of vast media empires like Disney and Fox, but Citizen Kane really did have something serious and relevant to say about the media, politics and influence. When asked what people will think, and Kane replies "What I tell them to think." is just as relevant today as it was then. More so, I'd wager.

Thirdly, I think it's wrong to dismiss the script. It really does have lots of quick and witty one liners and quotes in it. Considering Wells was - what, I forget, but his late 20s? - when it co-wrote, directed and acted in it, it's an incredibly bold and confident film. And the whole Rosebud mystery and conclusion is, I think, very poignant and revealing. For all his wealth, power and achievements – good and bad – it implies Kane himself hated what he had become. So did nature make the man, or did nurture make the man – against nature's intent?

[throws tomato]

So take that Albert!

[misses by a mile, because 2099net throws like a girl]

I know I'd rather see Citizen Kane over any Godfather (or Star Wars) film anyday.

Hehe, I guess I had it coming (too bad you throw horribly! ).

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but at the end of the day, Citizen Kane will never be my cup of tea. Essentially, I know it's a great film, I won't deny it's a great film, but it's a film that I rarely watch because I don't enjoy it the way I want to enjoy films.

It's like trying to read a Hemingway novel (for example, The Sun Also Rises) because everyone says it's good, and even if you hate reading it, you can't deny that it's good (regardless if everyone said it was or wasn't), but you're still bored with it and will likely never read it again.

Of course, the difference between Citizen Kane and The Sun Also Rises is that I actually like The Sun Also Rises.

Albert

My girlfriend and I are engaged!

Well, here in Germany we can't really get married, but there's something very similar to marriage called "Eingetragene Lebenspartnerschaft".

My mother doesn't know about it yet and I'm a bit afraid to tell her, because she might think that we're rushing things.

We wish to get married in August... it's not gonna be big, but we're both so happy about it. =)

Congratulations to you and your girlfriend, TheKey!

By the way, were you once only known here as Key and you had other anime avatars? And when were you Lilo?

So your mom knows you are gay but not the "marriage"? What is the difference between marriage and what you will be doing, and will you ever try to get or fight to get a marriage?

Congrats!!! I wish you and your partner well, and please do tell your mother, as it will be painful to have her be mad/sad right before the wedding.

Congratulations..at least someone is happy today

Mike wrote:By the way, were you once only known here as Key and you had other anime avatars? And when were you Lilo?

Key is still around, though the last time he posted was early March.

His Profile

And interestingly, Lilo's last post before her return and namechange was actually in this thread.

Albert

Thank you!

I've not been very active on this forum the last few years... but I would like to change that now. =)

I use the name "TheKey" on most of the German forums I'm on so I asked Luke to change my name here, too.

Disney Duster: We won't have exactly the same rights, for example with adoption, or some financial rights (taxes...).
I would be allowed to adopt my partner's child if she had one already, but we can't adopt a child together.
Fortunately, the situation in Germany is changing very often, so we can still hope that we're getting more rights some time in the future.

We're still undecided about the name-thing. I could take her last name or she could take mine (there are some other choices as well, but we want to have the same last name).

My mom knows that I'm gay and she's really cool with it.
In fact, my whole family knows it by now and I was very surprised when even my grandma didn't really have a problem with it.
They like my girlfriend, too, but we've only been together for 8 months so I'm afraid that everybody's gonna say that I'm naive when I tell them that we want to get married.
But well... my sister is 16 years older then me and probably never wants to get married.

I don't know much about the situation in the US...
I read about those places that some gay kids have to go to because their parents don't want them to stay gay.
What exactly happens there? I can't really figure out how they think they're gonna change someons personality/soul.

Is there anything like a marriage for gay people in the US?

I'm sorry for these more or less stupid questions, I just really want to know. =)

In the state of Massachusetts gays can legally marry, and a small handful of other states have civil unions which are kinda like marriage, but not the same. The afford some of the same legal rights married couples have, but not all of them.

But if you go north of the US border you find my home country of Canada, where gays and lesbians are 100% equal under the law (marriage, adoption, divorce, protection from harassment ... all that fun stuff). Canada may have it's problems, but it's still a world leader in civil rights.

As for the places parents send their kids... well... they are just awful. A good friend of mine was sent to a religious camp to "pray the gay away" and was subjected to terrible things. He was screamed at, denied food, subjected to questionable therapy tactics, forced to watch hypnotic videos and told he was going to hell at the end of every sentence. He came out just as gay as he was when he went in, just a lot angrier.

He lived on the streets for a few months after he left home, but he's doing a lot better now. His mom still sends him letters that tell him how he is going to hell and that his family hates him.

Personally I think he's better off without them.

Thanks for explaining, Widdi. =)

I'm really sorry for your friend. Those camps sound horrible and I don't understand how people can think that it really works.
I guess they just don't want to deal and then it's easier to send "the problem" away. :/

Thanks for explaining, The Key! Glad that your family was that accepting of your previous big announcement. Maybe you can tell them that you are engaged, but you will not get married until a full year you've been together, and you will discuss the future you want and try to figure out what marital problems you may have, maybe even talk about all that with your mom and your girlfriend?

Anyway, the camp sounded so horrible Widdi, but more horrible is your friend's family! If you ask me, it sounds like he's already been in Hell.

TheKey, I don't think it's about not dealing with the problem, it's that they believe it is really wrong to be gay. Usually it's not just because they think God forbids being gay, it's that, and their own beliefs that being gay is wrong. They also could be trying to scare people into being straight so they go to Heaven. Have you ever heard of "tough love"? But they way Widdi talked about it, it sounds like there's no love at all for their gay son.

Dusty wrote:Anyway, the camp sounded so horrible Widdi, but more horrible is your friend's family! If you ask me, it sounds like he's already been in Hell.

Couldn't agree more. It boggles the mind how these places still exist.

How old is that friend of yours Widdi?

Congratulations, Key! I'm so happy to hear that you and your girlfriend will be marrying. As Duster said, it's great to hear that they've been taking the news wonderfully, and I hope everything goes great with it.

Widdi, I can't imagine what it must be like for your friend to go like that. I've heard plenty of stories like that of places where they do that and try to set kids "straight." To me, it's scary and shocking that camps like that think they are able to do that to people, and as Julian said, that they still even exist.

I was 16 at the time he went to the camp. He's 21 now.

Goodness!

Can't such a 'camp' be legally shut down or something? Surely the activities are recognised as inhuman, aren't they? Add to that the scientific facts that confirm that being gay is well ... biological.

Does the Roman Catholic Church still officially condemn gay people (i.e. not just gay intercourse)?

Julian Carter wrote:Goodness!

Can't such a 'camp' be legally shut down or something? Surely the activities are recognised as inhuman, aren't they? Add to that the scientific facts that confirm that being gay is well ... biological.

Does the Roman Catholic Church still officially condemn gay people (i.e. not just gay intercourse)?

Sadly no. There are movements trying to shut these camps down, and sometimes they are sucessful, but without absolute proof of abuse there is really nothing anyone can do about it.

The RCC condemns gay people who do not live celibate lifestyles.

First off Congratulations on your Marriage "TheKey" between you and your girlfriend!" Marriage is an awesome thing, I've never thought about it much for myself, but I love seeing other people get married. :D

To think I use to want to go to one of those camps...the nerve of my younger self. That sounds really terrible, I feel really bad for you friend Widdi, thats really sad how even today his family doesn't accept the way he is, and that just shows you can't change who you are on the inside. If only they understood that.

As some of UD may know, I consider my orientation Bi-Sexual. And I had a ridiculous rant to someone on this thread about that...I don't even remember what it was for lol. But anyways, today I've finally accepted it myself, I no longer feel like I'm going to hell because of the way I am. Heck, I've always known, through my time of denial, I always knew who I was. In my heart I feel God still loves me, and I'm not this way because I chose to be this way.

ANYWAYS, I have my first boyfriend :):) and I've never been happier...I'm still miles away from coming out to my family, mainly because they have strong Christian beliefs and believe that gay people go straight to hell, and pretty much it would be chaos "OH NO! JEREMIAH GOT THE GAY SPIRIT! LETS DO AN EXORCISM NOW!!!!!" Geeze, I couldn't even begin to tell them that I've always been this way...

I've come out to 3 people in my life so far...My friend Flor, I've known since 4th grade, it was easy to tell her because well, she lives in Indiana and she's bi-sexual herself. But WOW, I practically didn't have a choice but to come out to my best friend lol. Pretty much, he's been noticing how that there seemed to be someone that I've been "hiding" lol. "Jeri, whose that calling you?" "Why are you so paranoid about who you've been talking too" and a lot of "I can't believe you can't tell me! Whats so bad that your not telling me!? I thought we were like brothers..." Interrogation much?? (this was all while I was at his house) So after thinking long and hard...I was saying a lot of "I'm still the same person..I've always valued your opinion of me cause you are like my brother and my best friend for a long time...and I don't want you to think differently of me..." and then I just said it: "You know how my sister is bi-sexual...." Well he was shocked...he was just like..."really? I woulda never knew..." Thankfully he was completely cool with it, and gave me a hug afterword and was all like "dude, I understand, your still my bestfriend and your always going to be like my brother..." It was all really surreal, he's completely out of shock now. And everything is still the same!!! Which is what I really wanted, for things to not change. Oh and the third person that knows is my best friends girlfriend...and she's completely fine with it, because she has gay/lesbian friends...she was shocked too, but more importantly she's fine with it. Slowley, I'm going to come out to more people, my boyfriend tells me to take my time, because thats something hard to do, and only when I am ready.

So yeah, thats my gay story as of today, wow I think this takes the cake for my longest post!!! Just thought I'd share my current story, and that I'm finally happy I met someone amazing.

Cheers UD,
-Jeremy:):)

jeremy88 wrote:I've come out to 3 people in my life so far...

My friend Flor

my best friend

my best friends girlfriend

So...your boyfriend doesn't know you're bisexual?

Albert

ahahahahaha well of course he does lol. As for being Bi, some gay people are not okay with that but I told him, and he's cool with it. Sometimes i joke and say "wow that chick is hot..." and he just laughs and says "your such a guy..."

By the way Escapay...where has Gromit gone off too??

jeremy88 wrote:some gay people are not okay with that

Which is something I don't understand. Why is it both gay and straight people believe you have to be either exclusively gay or exclusively straight, or that if you're bisexual, that you must favor one over another? The human heart doesn't recognize gender, and the human mind doesn't care. And the human body is a beautiful thing, regardless of the biological definition of gender.

jeremy88 wrote:By the way Escapay...where has Gromit gone off too??

The Fun Story:
Since March, he's been on a leave of absence from his avatar duties. The guy's demanding a pay raise, claiming he has tenure since he's such a longrunning avatar. So I sent him on a vacation for awhile and was able to get The Doctor to fill in until Gromit comes to his senses and remembers that I use him for free. But in the meantime, he's enjoying a vacation at Camp Photobucket, where he chats with former avatars such as Laughing Muttley and Bree Van De Kamp.

The Serious Story:
After my spat with T1GP in a thread in the Feedback forum, I hastily left UD for a month, took down my avatar, erased the details of my profile and siggy, and did not visit the forums. Of course, I was planning on taking time off from UD as I usually do, but this was an earlier-than-expected-and-more-public-than-I-wanted exit. When I returned, I decided some changes were needed. So in addition to signing posts with my real name (instead of Escapay/Scaps/Scapsta/etc.) I have a dull signature that is series-less (there really isn't much I consider WISTy anymore, though there's a lot more WTF's), a different location, and a Gromit-less Avatar. I still wanted something that defined me (Gromit showcased my "the craziness I put up with, and I love it!" attitude), so I chose The Doctor, as he's a serious guy who occasionally goes off on humorous tangents and has his own share of one-liners. Also, The Doctor is awesome, perhaps more so than Gromit.

Albert

jeremy88 wrote:ahahahahaha well of course he does lol. As for being Bi, some gay people are not okay with that but I told him, and he's cool with it. Sometimes i joke and say "wow that chick is hot..." and he just laughs and says "your such a guy..."

That's just adorable.


Congrats on coming out BTW.