DVDizzy Forum

Kinda off topic, BUT If DISNEY loves Blu-ray so much, why aren't they releasing ALL their shows on Blu-ray (Desperate Housewives & Ugly Betty) They only release LOST (Which is understandable) and Grey's Anatomy (WTF? WHY THIS SHOW??)


PS. I honestly thought the 7 week gap WAS for the dwarfs!

Escapay wrote: It's a genius marketing move. They'll be promoting Snow White as coming to Blu-Ray and DVD in fourth quarter, with the big push being on Blu-Ray. Then, instead of just having the marketing for the title fizzle out in the weeks after its release, they have a whole seven-week interim between the Blu-Ray and DVD releases where they'll be able to push a "returning to DVD!"

I hadn't thought of it that way - of course they risk having everyone so sick of hearing about Snow White by the time they get around to the "DVD-only" campaign, that people tune the ads out

Escapay wrote:

Pluto Region1 wrote:Yep, I never did get around to reading the thread on the Cinderella release and the big discussion about the quality of the transfer. Still haven't cracked open that DVD yet!
Really? It's been like 4 years since its release.

Then again, I took a brief look at my DVD purchase schedule from 2005, and found probably a dozen or so titles that I bought and opened but haven't actually watched yet! (Hmm, maybe I should get rid of them if I haven't gotten around to it by now...)

That's what my husband says - watch them or stop buying them. He's always threatening to institute a DVD-buying moratorium, but it never happens. In truth, I have made some progress - just not on the DVDs. My mom bought me a ton of Disney movies on video, so I'd been watching the videos instead. I've watched a half-dozen of old Disney on video since Xmas. This means if you guys ever bring up one of these movies for discussion, I can finally participate (instead of having to say, "oh, I didn't see that one." That's why I'm still in my training pants on this forum nearly 4 years later!)

Escapay wrote:Anyway, the general consensus regarding the Cinderella transfer is the colours are suddenly brighter and sharper than the old VHS and laserdiscs, and that the DVD colours must be in the wrong. There's a whole bunch of other stuff attached to the debates/arguments and you can just ask Marky 198, he'll give you whole essays about what's wrong.

That saves me a lot of reading, thanks! I gather you don't necessarily agree these anomalies exist, or to the extent that warrants the kind of uproar these issues generate on the forum. (Don't mean to put you in the spot ). I'll tell you, nothing gets past the UD forum members around here. This group knows how to spot a lemon of a transfer (that is when we can agree one exists). My husband still marvels about how the forum members caught the color-reversal on the True Life Adventures series. If Walt was alive, he'd be proud to have this crew in charge of his DVD/Blu-Ray quality control...

The bottom line is - if I'm buying Blu-Ray and they've botched the rendering, restoration or transfer, its a big concern (esp. when you're me and you might not watch the thing for 5 years and realize you got something you need to return to the store. Heck, by the time I get around to watching Cinderella, the DVD format will probably be dead!). Ok, enough about me..... that's all I do is apologize for not watching my DVDs...

Escapay wrote:In addition, the material from the Treasures (well, the early ones) would all have to be remastered for high definition, which would take time. I'm sure when Disney was preparing the content for the past couple of waves, they did so in high-definition in anticipation of a future Blu-Ray release.

'

I was going to say it is all about sales - if the sales aren't there, they aren't going to do it. However my husband (works in television) agrees with you. He thinks they had Blu-Ray in the pipeline for awhile and probably cleaned up the later Treasures release with hi-def in mind.

Escapay wrote:Never in the history of the site or forum have I seen such heated and vitriolic banter, kicks in the balls, and general nastiness than in the Blu-Ray vs. DVD arguments.

Well that's too bad. When I was last visiting such discussions, they had not degenerated into arguments. There's no reason to have people here attacking each other over Blu-ray. We, as a tiny fraction of the DVD-buying public, have no control over whether Blu-Ray takes the place of DVD, so why have arguments over it? On the other hand, I can understand the frustration - after all, I think I've posted a few times last year about how mad I was over it (after spending so much $$$ on collecting Disney on DVD).

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:

CampbellzSoup wrote:
The only reason Blu Ray fans get so hostile is because the DVD only users are the ones who keep bringing it up.

Which is why I said I blame everyone (Including myself)

It's a vicious circle that can be ended if one side just ignores the other when the subject comes up. So dvd only users bring it up, good for them just act like the post doesn't exist and don't reply. By replying to them bringing it up you get them to reply to you and things become more hostile.

Exactly. I just caught up with this part of the discussion. I'm with Flower's Friend on this - I had no idea these battles were going on since I've been mostly absent for a year. And I agree with you Chernabog_Rocks. If someone brings it up, just don't respond to that post. In the past people were able to vent their frustrations or announce their intentions to be early adopters without turning on each other.

I remember those slipcover threads. Some of us love 'em, some hate them. I love them, and yet Escapay hates them - yet it has not interfered with us discussing other things on this board together.

On the whole issue of banning: Luke usually doesn't ban discussions unless they get so ridiculous and I don't think these "format wars" rises to the level. To see what I mean, just go back a few years and look at some of the politics and religion discussions here in off-topic. Man, did those get bad, - eventually the threads got closed. At least looking at it from that perspective, I don't see this particular discussion going that direction.

I think having separate threads for the Blu-Ray and DVD is horrible. That would really divide this community. I think those who seem to be instigating these arguments should just take a look and see where this is getting them here. There's nothing wrong with a friendly discussion or expressing how you feel about whether or not you're going Blu-Ray or going to stick with DVD, but attacking others who don't agree is just creating a situation where you will be scaring other people away from you.

They should post the features list now to shut tight the arguments, and give us something to talk about that we all can speculate on

ZOOMBOOM0688 wrote:Kinda off topic, BUT If DISNEY loves Blu-ray so much, why aren't they releasing ALL their shows on Blu-ray (Desperate Housewives & Ugly Betty) They only release LOST (Which is understandable) and Grey's Anatomy (WTF? WHY THIS SHOW??)


PS. I honestly thought the 7 week gap WAS for the dwarfs!

This is just a guess, but this may have a lot to do with Blu-ray not being the main format right now. Just like a lot of Disney movies are only releaased on Dvd right now even though Disney is very big on Blu-ray. A lot of tv shows such as Andy Griffith,All in the Family, Sanford and Son,The Flintstones,Batman: The Animated Series (I just got the complete set of this) and so on are only on dvd right now (if any of the tv shows that I listed are on blu-ray or coming on blu-ray I have not heard about it yet). If Blu-ray gets more mainstream maybe we will see a lot more tv shows come to Blu-ray.

Another example I am thinking about is Dawn of the Dead (that is not a Dsiney movie just so everyone know ) > On Dvd Dawn of the Dead has 2 editions right now. One dvd edition has a one disc set and the other dvd edition is a 4 disc set with 3 versions of the film (soon I plan to get this 4 disc set). On Blu-ray it's just the one disc edition that is on Blu-ray. I am thinking that maybe in time if Blu-ray gets more mainstream that Dawn of the Dead will come out in a nice 4 disc Blu-ray set (or something like that) and I will so be getting that

Most older TV shows were not shot in HD. Don't expect Blu Ray releases of them anytime soon and when and if they do come there won't be much improvement picture wise.

Widdi wrote:Most older TV shows were not shot in HD. Don't expect Blu Ray releases of them anytime soon and when and if they do come there won't be much improvement picture wise.

That depends how they were photographed.

CampbellzSoup wrote:

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:/bashesheadagainstdeskrepeatedly

Why is it we can't have any discussion anymore without it resorting to this stupid pointless bickering between dvd and blu-ray? I mean seriously why can't everyone just back off and agree to disagree? We had a very long drawn out argument in the Pinocchio platinum thread (most likely Sleeping Beauty as well). Personally I am finding this extremely frustrating and it's making UD a less enjoyable place to come to.

And no, I'm not blaming just blu-ray fans like Rudy Matt for this nor am I blaming only dvd users like Goliath for this (No offence towards you both I just chose two random names for examples) I blame everyone (including myself for even bothering to post this).

So why can't we just drop this discussion and get it back on track about the actual movie, or the bonus features? Or even the horrendous cover art and whether or not it'll come with a slipcover that opens like a book or if it'll just be shiny and embossed or just shiny God I miss slipcover threads they were far more tolerable than the f****** blu-ray vs dvd discussions.

For those of you who will respond with a "oh then just don't read it" reply, I'm going to answer you now and only once. I would skip it except for the fact it pops up seemingly everywhere. Hence the frustration I'm feeling.

/getsoffsoapbox

The only reason Blu Ray fans get so hostile is because the DVD only users are the ones who keep bringing it up.

Really? I don't recall the release date being something DVD only users' knew/care about. There's no way to justify the hostility. Most of the instigating comes from the Blu-Ray fans anyway. To think all the DVD vs Blu-ray debates are the fault of the DVD only users is very inaccurate as most of the debates are actually caused by the Blu-Ray only fans.

Remarks like the one I quoted below are completely unnecessary. Of course it's all the DVD only users fault and they were asking for the hostility.

but for people still hanging on to 20th century formats designed for TV standards set in the 80's, you'll have to wait 7 weeks to get the 2nd disc.

Remarks like the one I quoted below are completely unnecessary. Of course it's all the DVD only users fault and they were asking for the hostility. This is not what I wrote, someelse wrote it and i do not believe in it.

but for people still hanging on to 20th century formats designed for TV standards set in the 80's, you'll have to wait 7 weeks to get the 2nd disc.

well its true that we'll have to wait, and why do all of you blu-ray people act like we have to switch over lots of americans hadn't switched yet. beside my first dvd was the lon king in 2003, so thats how long it took for some people to switch from vhs to dvd. So hold your horses.

P.S- It's kinda sad that my first dvd was the lion king considering how bad the dvd was, if olny I had known about vault disney

By the way am I the olny person who thinks our platinum editions disscussions have just become a dvd vs.bluray disscussion when it should be on the actual film,cover art,bonus features, etc. Anyone eelse think this.

I agree to stop if you guys agree too.

I really want to have a discussion about the film.

Goliath wrote :
Deco King wrote:
If people on this website CANNOT see the difference between Sleeping Beauty on DVD and on Blu Ray then THEY NEED THEIR EYES TESTING!!!

Blu Ray is fabulous I just got my first Blu Ray player for £160.00 from Richer Sounds a chain of shops in the UK , and the picture quality is totally amazing nay stupendous make that F-A-B-L-U-L-O-U-S!!!

It's not like you have to go out and buy another player for the DVD's in your existing DVD collection not only do Blu Ray players show your existing DVD's they enhance the picture quality of all your collection!

If I wanted to be subjected to BluRay advertising, I would go to their website. It's unbelievable that every single thread on UD at one point or another turns into a giant free advertisement for BluRay. Either half of UD's member are BluRay employees or get paid by them; or they just have corporate shilling as a hobby.

I can assure you Goliath that I wrote the above text because I enjoyed watching my first two Blu Ray discs.
I was so delighted in the breathtaking quality of the images on my TV , I LOVE Disney movies and I am not an employee of Blu Ray or Disney - so BACK OFF!!

Kindly allow other Forum readers and posters the right to post what they like I find your attitude very offensive indeed!

I agree Goliath you really need to calm down with this Blu hatred you NOT have the equipment to make a proper analysis.

However Deco King I think we should call a truce on the matter, and talk about Snow White.

Deco I know you love Snow White share your favorite scene

Pluto Region1 wrote: I think having separate threads for the Blu-Ray and DVD is horrible. That would really divide this community. I think those who seem to be instigating these arguments should just take a look and see where this is getting them here. There's nothing wrong with a friendly discussion or expressing how you feel about whether or not you're going Blu-Ray or going to stick with DVD, but attacking others who don't agree is just creating a situation where you will be scaring other people away from you.

Sadly I think the community is already divided. Most forums I visit have separate posts for DVD and Blu-ray releases. To me they are 2 separate products. Sure its the same film, but it helps control the Blu-ray Vs. DVD madness that always happens. If they are in the same topic it will always end up in a tug of war between the two camps.

schoollover wrote:By the way am I the olny person who thinks our platinum editions disscussions have just become a dvd vs.bluray disscussion when it should be on the actual film,cover art,bonus features, etc. Anyone eelse think this.

No schoollover your not the only one. Its become a problem on UD in my opinion. I'm as guilty as other people. Honestly everyone I'm not trying to place blame on anyone, but I've seen the argument get started by both sides. It always starts with one side saying something like "Blu-ray is..." or "DVD is..." then the other side comes in to defend their product. It results in pages of posts going back and forth with nothing accomplished other than ruining the talk about the actual movie in my opinion. The fact is no one is going to be able to change each others minds.

Instead of having a "war" on UD forums about it lets take action outside the forum. I'll use the recently debated Blu-ray Vs. DVD release schedule for Snow White. For those that like the decision let's write Disney and say thanks, etc... For those that don't like the decision let's write Disney and tell them why its not good, etc... I think that would be a better ideal, and leave the discussion about the movie to this forum.

Again I admit I'm guilty for contributing to these discussions as well. Hopefully we can get this mess sorted out.

CampbellzSoup wrote:I agree to stop if you guys agree too.

I really want to have a discussion about the film.

I agree. Count me in.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:Wow, is your skull so think you can't comprehend why someone would just enjoy a format for what it is? I don't play X-Box but I don't bash the people who use it.

No, but I don't see the point in going to every thread to spam it with BluRay advertising. If you enjoy BluRay, that's fine. Spamming each and every single thread with advertising is annoying. Insulting people who don't have BluRay is even more annoying.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:You know what's more unbelievable? That a person like you has to come along and post trash like this in an attempt to make yourself feel better by putting everyone else down instead of actually discussing the content of the release. Scpas was right, this kind of posting is just sad.

That's the world upside down! You're reversing what's actually happening. People like Rudy Matt and others come here to post trash about the death of DVD" and how we, people without BluRay, are "clinging to a twentieth century format" in an attempt to make themselves feel better. They are the ones who put people down. I am standing up against it.

I know you don't like me and that's fine. But that's no reason to twist the facts and project oter people's misbehaviour on me.

Deco King wrote:I can assure you Goliath that I wrote the above text because I enjoyed watching my first two Blu Ray discs.
I was so delighted in the breathtaking quality of the images on my TV , I LOVE Disney movies and I am not an employee of Blu Ray or Disney - so BACK OFF!!

Kindly allow other Forum readers and posters the right to post what they like I find your attitude very offensive indeed!

Well, that's the standard code language for "I don't agree with you, but I don't really have anything to rebutt." The whole "I have a right to my opinion"-argument is not an argument, yet it gets tossed out over and over again whenever someone disagrees. You have every right to your opinion, nobody is depriving you of your precious opinion, I'm not the one who allows what gets written on the forum (that would be Luke). So don't pretend I somehow am depriving you of your 'right' to express yourself simply because you don't agree with what I said.

Oh, and by the way, there's a button that says "Quote" that you can use to... well, quote people.

CampbellzSoup wrote:The only reason Blu Ray fans get so hostile is because the DVD only users are the ones who keep bringing it up.

Actually, it's the other way around.

CampbellzSoup wrote:I agree Goliath you really need to calm down with this Blu hatred you NOT have the equipment to make a proper analysis.

*I* need to calm down? With my 'hatred'? That's rich! People are spamming all over UD to trash others who don't use BluRay, yet *I* have to 'calm down'? And I have not the 'proper equipment'? First of all, how do you know? Second, I have seen BluRay on HDTV's.

Pluto Region1 wrote:That's what my husband says - watch them or stop buying them. He's always threatening to institute a DVD-buying moratorium, but it never happens. In truth, I have made some progress - just not on the DVDs. My mom bought me a ton of Disney movies on video, so I'd been watching the videos instead. I've watched a half-dozen of old Disney on video since Xmas. This means if you guys ever bring up one of these movies for discussion, I can finally participate (instead of having to say, "oh, I didn't see that one." That's why I'm still in my training pants on this forum nearly 4 years later!)

A DVD-buying moratorium does sound like a good idea. Would give me an extra incentive to watch something once I buy it instead of letting it sit around for months/years on end.

Pluto Region1 wrote:I gather you don't necessarily agree these anomalies exist, or to the extent that warrants the kind of uproar these issues generate on the forum. (Don't mean to put you in the spot ).

Hehe, so long as the spot is not followed by the light (spot + light = spotlight...yeah, bad joke, if it's even a joke at all).

But yeah, I'm not really that crazy about the complaints, and I don't see a major problem with the colours. I grew up watching a VHS tape that's 21 years old now and time and replay has made the video fade and wear over the years, so having the DVD be sharp and clear is a godsend, regardless if it's "true" or not to the colours (as some forum members believe).

It's like watching the Criterion DVD of Silence of the Lambs versus the MGM DVD. The former was supervised by the cinematographer and so his colour timings and hues are used the way they were intended despite the actual transfer being non-anamorphic and a bit grainy. The MGM one is sharper and clearer, but the colours are slightly different (though I think when the transfer was made, it got the blessing of the cinematographer). So neither are exactly perfect or true to what was in theatres in 1991, but both are still in the "right".

If you want to open up a big can of Disney worms, though, try entering a Beauty and the Beast thread and saying the DVD colours are better than the laserdisc. They'll rip you to shreds there.

Pluto Region1 wrote:My husband still marvels about how the forum members caught the color-reversal on the True Life Adventures series.

I still marvel at it. I reviewed the volume that had the colour-reversed short in it, and it didn't catch my eye at all (mainly because I was using both a laptop and regular DVD equipment, not any fancy home theatre set-up). I remember being initially surprised that the opening title card was a different colour than the rest of the films in the set, but thinking that was the only anomaly. Since 16mm film doesn't always produce the brightest or defined colours, and since it was a swampland that they were filming, I thought the colours were normal when I was watching it, and even make note of it in the review. (I think I said something like "the colours look dull and washed out, but that's likely due to nature's own colour palette")

Pluto Region1 wrote:The bottom line is - if I'm buying Blu-Ray and they've botched the rendering, restoration or transfer, its a big concern

I'm sure/hopeful that it won't be a problem, especially after all the complaints about Fox's Patton or The French Connection Blu-Rays. Hopefully the studios (all of them, Disney included) saw the negative feedback from that and knew not to mess with transfers anymore.

Then again, Disney's been messing with transfers for years, what's gonna stop them now simply because it's Blu-Ray?

albert

Escapay wrote: It's like watching the Criterion DVD of Silence of the Lambs versus the MGM DVD. The former was supervised by the cinematographer and so his colour timings and hues are used the way they were intended despite the actual transfer being non-anamorphic and a bit grainy. The MGM one is sharper and clearer, but the colours are slightly different (though I think when the transfer was made, it got the blessing of the cinematographer). So neither are exactly perfect or true to what was in theatres in 1991, but both are still in the "right".

Now this is an observation worthy of discussion! This is the kind of observation that can give meaning to possibly unfounded complaints that the colors aren't right, etc. I'm assuming that in Pinocchio, or the Sleeping Beauty case, screen shots of both old versions were put up in the thread, and then utilized for such a discussion. The problem is, everyone at this forum has a different monitor which may render the colors differently (altho that's never stopped them from discovering color problems before) - I guess in theory, it seems it would be hard to conduct such an analysis on an internet forum due to these differences in software, monitor settings, etc.... (But who's really paying attention to this discussion, after all, I'm wasting valuable time when I could be arguing about whether or not some people in here are just corporate cheerleaders for Blu-Ray, or if others are stuck in a time warp unwilling to face the cold hard reality that the DVD format is dead.)

Now what will become interesting, is whether or not we will be able to spot restoration/transfer problems ACROSS these 2 formats. Look at the potential here: we have forum members buying the Blu-Ray version and some buying the DVD version. And many here who likely own earlier releases of these films on either DVD or video. Can we work together to see if there was proper restoration/transfers across these 2 platforms? Wouldn't it be interesting to compare screen shots on both formats?

Has anyone ever put up any screen shots from their Blu-Ray player, vs. screen shots of the same film on DVD and can you tell the quality difference on a computer forum screen like this? Or would you not be able to see a difference, due to computer resolution not being able to display the better quality Blu Ray?

Escapay wrote: If you want to open up a big can of Disney worms, though, try entering a Beauty and the Beast thread and saying the DVD colours are better than the laserdisc. They'll rip you to shreds there.

So neither are exactly perfect or true to what was in theatres in 1991, but both are still in the "right". .

It amazes me anyone even has it on laser disc!

Now getting back to this debate about the Blu-Ray vs. DVD and the future of the forums because of it.... Most of us still don't have a player (or for some, have chosen not to buy one), but I certainly don't get mad or think that those who have the player, who are expounding the merits of it, are shills for Blu-Ray or out to force DVD out of existence. The fact is, that DVD will probably still be with us for 5 or more years (that is, if the format is adopted by the masses).

It amazes me that Goliath and Flanger are going to hate each other over whether or not Blu-Ray becomes the replacement for DVD! Are you two serious?! There's plenty more important things to justify going to war over (like politics or religion, and we've had plenty of people end up hating each other over those topics)

Lets agree that both sides have perhaps thrown fuel on the fire (I'm making it simple and assigning blame on both sides.) There's really nothing to argue about. The massive public will either be buying Blu-Ray, or it will die out - that's all. Those buying Blu-Ray are taking their chances on that format. Right now it is looking like the process towards Blu-Ray adoption will be aided because of the adoption of HDTV. But who knows! There's no reason for everyone to be mad at each other over something we don't have control over.

Basically at this point I've said everything I have to say about the fighting and how stupid it really is. It really seems absurd to me, to be attacking people over their choice to buy Blu-Ray or to stay with DVD.

On another note: they need to bring the cost of the Blu-Ray players down to an affordable range ($350+ just doesn't cut it). Also, at a price of $30 and up for a Blu-Ray disc, most people will be buying far fewer films - if any. The industry is going to have to come to grips with this - either they make the Blu-Ray films affordable, or we won't be adopting the format. When you think of buying 3 films at $30 each, and here in California with an almost 10% sales tax rate, that is about $100 for 3 Blu-Rays. Like I said earlier in this thread, Disney has put them at a discount price-point I find tolerable ($25), but I still will not be able to buy as many films on Blu-Ray, as I can on DVD because of the price difference.

To Deco:
I am a huge Snow White fan - I own the bootleg DVD version and the Platinum DVD release, as well as a sealed copy of the VHS! And I LOVE her voice! I think the music in this film is simply unmatched in any of the other classics. I have been thinking of putting up a tribute webpage to her (featuring Adriana Caselotti's house, which I took pictures of a couple years ago) and other images.) I also have a beautiful Disney Snow White Christmas Light string that I got from my mom about 2 years ago. It dates from the late 1930s/early 1940s. But that is all I got. Can't afford to start any snow globe or Swarovski collections....

Pluto Region1 you posted about having a sealed copy of Snow White on vhs. What does the cover art look like? Maybe we have the same vhs edition. I own the very first vhs copy of Snow White and the very first dvd edition of Snow White Sometime I think I might watch them back to back.

Pluto Region1 wrote:It amazes me that Goliath and Flanger are going to hate each other over whether or not Blu-Ray becomes the replacement for DVD! Are you two serious?! There's plenty more important things to justify going to war over (like politics or religion, and we've had plenty of people end up hating each other over those topics)

Of course I don't hate Flanger-Hanger! Why would I? I don't even know the guy personally. We just disagree. Ha, if I had to hate everybody with whom I ever disagreed...

gardener14 wrote: Why doesn't Disney just offer the complete dvd version (including the second disc of bonus features) with the Blu-Ray version instead of including only the first disc of the dvd? That way they would satisfy everyone's needs with one release, they would encourage sales of Blu-Ray discs and players, and they would make more money for the company at the same time. They could still offer the standard dvd version (without Blu-Ray) at a later date and at a lower cost.

I think that that’s a great idea. I’d rather Disney just release the DVD and the Blu-ray on the same day, but if they must release the Blu-ray a month before the DVD, if I wanted a movie enough, I would spend the extra money and buy the Blu-ray/DVD combo pack if it had all the bonus features from the standard 2-disc DVD.

Albert, that was clever (the Veruca Salt song, I mean).

ajmrowland wrote: Oh great. One little announcement, and this whole thread is turned into "Snow White and the Seven Weeks".

Ha, that’s clever!

CampbellzSoup wrote: it comes WITH the freaking DVD.

As mentioned earlier, it doesn’t come with the bonus-feature-packed Disc 2, which is a huge selling point of a Platinum Edition DVD. Those who don’t care about bonus features could buy the Blu-ray combo pack and be pleased as punch about having it early, but for those of us who care about bonus features, just having Disc 1 is not good enough.

Flanger-Hanger wrote: Only a few film fanatics will be interested in the second disc's content

Out of all the DACs (except maybe for the “Fab 4”), I think that SW&t7D has the most appeal to the public, in terms of general film fanatics…Would you (you meaning anyone) say that you think that most of the DACs are sold to parents using the films as babysitters for their kids? I wonder what percentage of people who own Disney DVDs actually watch the bonus material.

Pluto Region1!!! You’re back!!! Hooray!

ajmrowland wrote: They should post the features list now

I agree with you!!! But Daddy, I want the features list NOW (in the whole Veruca Salt theme…)!

(I just spent a long time writing a long post, since I haven’t been reading this thread as often as I could have, and I just edited most of my DVD vs. Blu-ray references.)

Pluto Region1 wrote: I own the bootleg DVD version

I didn’t know that there was a non-Platinum Edition SW bootleg…what bonus features are on it? I’m not planning on seeking it out, but I’m curious!

CampbellzSoup asked what my favourite scene was in my , as you all must know by now ( !!! ) favourite Disney movie Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs .

Actually I have many favourites , but I guess my # 1 scene would be the one in which the Wicked Queen asks the Magic Mirror "Who now is fairest one of all" , and is told "Tis the heart of a pig you hold in your hand! " - "The heart of a pig ? Then I've been tricked!" .

Her subsequent flight down the stairs into the bowels of her castle, and her mixing of the magic potion , and transformation into the very non PC Peddler Woman or Witch is marvellously staged , so atmospheric , and it must have seemed quite magical to the first sophisticated Hollywood audience , who , apparently were crying when Snow White "dies" , etc.

As a big Disney villain fan , I also love the "Dip the apple in the brew!" sequence withe splendidly wicked Witch , with her wonderfully animated face expressive eyes etc steals the show!

However I also love the Dwarfs too especially Bashful and of course the much loved Dopey. The whole film to me is a real treat for the eyes and ears!