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TacoBravo wrote: But seriously, what else are the people behind the restorations suppose to say "Oh yeah you guys caught us, we changed the colors for the kiddies but you should buy it anyways."
Of course theyre gonna tell you what you wanna hear "Oh no really, these are the colors we originally wanted see. We were THAT inept with the original equipment thats why it looked so different."

Revisionist history fail.

Lots of famous directors - much more famous than Don, have openly stated that they have changed their films for home video; be it effects, scenes, alternative takes or - yes - colour timing.

Scorsese, Coppola, Gans, Lucas, Spielberg, Fincher and Friedkin... they're the only ones I actually know about, I'm sure that there's more. Many more.

Their is absolutely NO pressure on anybody to say if the "new" colours are the original intent or not. To suggest that a Director would outright lie, simply keep fanboys and fangirls happy is frankly deeply insulting.

It's amazing how fast and quick "fans" are to turn on the objects of their fanaticism should something be presented to them "outside" of their own, narrow personal view on what they are actually celebrating.

I couldn't care less what colours are on what version. It's clear the makers had input into the new Blu-ray, and as far as I'm concerned they can do what they want to their film.

So Don is delighted that they finally got rid of the white book pages and that they are pink now, like he originally intended?

And he is also glad that the natural, perfect lighting in the Belle sequence and the lighting in the library is completely unnatural and gone now?

Well done Don, Walt would be proud......NOT

2099net wrote: Lots of famous directors - much more famous than Don, have openly stated that they have changed their films for home video; be it effects, scenes, alternative takes or - yes - colour timing.

Scorsese, Coppola, Gans, Lucas, Spielberg, Fincher and Friedkin... they're the only ones I actually know about, I'm sure that there's more. Many more.

Their is absolutely NO pressure on anybody to say if the "new" colours are the original intent or not. To suggest that a Director would outright lie, simply keep fanboys and fangirls happy is frankly deeply insulting.

It's amazing how fast and quick "fans" are to turn on the objects of their fanaticism should something be presented to them "outside" of their own, narrow personal view on what they are actually celebrating.

I couldn't care less what colours are on what version. It's clear the makers had input into the new Blu-ray, and as far as I'm concerned they can do what they want to their film.

Ok I might not have made it clear, but I dont have a problem with changes. I dont care if it looks different from the original.
As long as it looks good.

But this looks like garbage.

It's amazing how fast and quick "fans" are to turn on the objects of their fanaticism should something be presented to them "outside" of their own, narrow personal view on what they are actually celebrating.

As opposed to the fans who would prefer to have their views dictated to them?
If don hahn told you beast was supposed to be the color of a golden retriever Im sure you'd be completely fine with that. Hey, mr don hahn never lies or makes mistakes. To suggest such a thing would be insulting! he'd take artistic integrity any day over piles of cash.

Disneykid wrote:Well, the Blu-ray's PiP storyboard version features the original Work-in-Progress version of the film. By original, I mean that all of the finished film clips are the VHS/laserdisc colors; they haven't been replaced by the new transfer the way the storyboard version on the DVD has. So technically, you guys have got half of the so-called original version on Blu-ray...just in a PiP window.

filmmusic wrote:Sorry to bring this up again , But I couldn't help myself!
(addressing to those that think the bluray is the trully original form of the film, or as it was intented to be originally etc.).

(please look at 3rd column of screenshots)
yes, Sure! I agree!! We all know that books have PINK pages (as in bluray), and not WHITE (as in original theatrical version, VHS, laserdisc).

Sorry to bring THIS up (no I'm not), but I'm a "reformed" video engineer and your screen cap isn't an accurate reflection of the color on the Laserdisc. Your highlights are clipped, as indicated by the loss of part of the book illustration. You can't tell from that screen cap what color the pages actually are. (Which, by the way, is blue. Merryweather must've mastered it.)

Different choices in color correction is all it is. The BD starts the song with cooler colors for an early morning look, while the LD sticks with brighter daytime colors throughout the song. You don't get to tell the director which one is correct. See, he's the Best Picture Oscar-nominated director, and we're the fanboys with the internet connections.

Not that we can't have opinions (I have several myself, some of which involve the color correction on the Sleeping Beauty BD) but on this one you REALLY don't know what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know how to get a decent screen cap from an analog source.

I really don't know what you guys are talking about, the pages aren't pink on my TV when I play it. TV calibration perhaps?

yukitora wrote:I really don't know what you guys are talking about, the pages aren't pink on my TV when I play it. TV calibration perhaps?

here you are, in 2.44'':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJQr6bmmRt8&hd=1

mawnck wrote:

filmmusic wrote:Sorry to bring this up again , But I couldn't help myself!
(addressing to those that think the bluray is the trully original form of the film, or as it was intented to be originally etc.).

(please look at 3rd column of screenshots)
yes, Sure! I agree!! We all know that books have PINK pages (as in bluray), and not WHITE (as in original theatrical version, VHS, laserdisc).

Sorry to bring THIS up (no I'm not), but I'm a "reformed" video engineer and your screen cap isn't an accurate reflection of the color on the Laserdisc. Your highlights are clipped, as indicated by the loss of part of the book illustration. You can't tell from that screen cap what color the pages actually are. (Which, by the way, is blue. Merryweather must've mastered it.)

Different choices in color correction is all it is. The BD starts the song with cooler colors for an early morning look, while the LD sticks with brighter daytime colors throughout the song. You don't get to tell the director which one is correct. See, he's the Best Picture Oscar-nominated director, and we're the fanboys with the internet connections.

Not that we can't have opinions (I have several myself, some of which involve the color correction on the Sleeping Beauty BD) but on this one you REALLY don't know what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know how to get a decent screen cap from an analog source.

This were sreencaps from a laserdisc rip i have. i just went to watch again my VHS and it's the same! So, you're saying that both are wrong?

here is a video i found of the song from the original version (VHs or laserdisc):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVovQfq7U0w

yukitora wrote:I really don't know what you guys are talking about, the pages aren't pink on my TV when I play it. TV calibration perhaps?

It's as white as a sheet on mine. I see NO pink pages on my BD at all. The sunlight is clearly coming in brightly through the windows on my TV as well and it's not flat and and orangey at all. I'm looking at it right now.

KubrickFan wrote:I thought you wanted the movie to be darker, since that was apparently how they are supposed to be?

Is it supposed to be darker? You're the one suggesting it should be. I never wanted it darker but closer to the look of the theatrical presentation (as represented on the LaserDisc). I prefer the darker, more natural color pallet. If I merely wanted the picture darker, I would've turned the brightness down on my TV (I don't need Disney to do that).

KubrickFan wrote:And if Don Hanh's words can't reassure you, what can?

What exactly was Don Hahn's words supposed to reassure me about?

KubrickFan wrote:Then you've already convinced yourself that what you say by definition is right, and nothing else can change it.

WTF are you saying? Try rewording that.

mawnck wrote:You don't get to tell the director which one is correct. See, he's the Best Picture Oscar-nominated director, and we're the fanboys with the internet connections.

WIST #53. Thank you, mawnck!

albert

This is how the Ballroom Scene should look...
hands down!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_lp1vEs5A4

HUZZAH! I have found a screenshot of the original CAPS file from 1991! This shall end all arguments as to what colors are the correct ones!

BEHOLD!!!

Matt wrote:This is how the Ballroom Scene should look...
hands down!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_lp1vEs5A4

Ewww...

pap64 wrote:HUZZAH! I have found a screenshot of the original CAPS file from 1991! This shall end all arguments as to what colors are the correct ones!

Hmm . . . I should have known Gaston's real issue was the hair.

jpanimation wrote: What exactly was Don Hahn's words supposed to reassure me about?

That the colors are in fact close to what the filmmakers wanted them to be on the Blu-ray? That the Laserdisc and VHS actually were wrong?

jpanimation wrote: WTF are you saying? Try rewording that.

That no matter who comes to weigh in on the 'problem', you still believe whatever you want to believe, apparently. It would be just as easy for Mr. Hahn to say that they've tweaked the colors a bit to make it more modern (most filmmakers say that when they've tweaked them), but he didn't. He said that these are closer to the original. Why wouldn't you believe him? Because you're already convinced the new version is inferior to the Laserdisc, whatever anyone else says.

TacoBravo wrote:

It's amazing how fast and quick "fans" are to turn on the objects of their fanaticism should something be presented to them "outside" of their own, narrow personal view on what they are actually celebrating.

As opposed to the fans who would prefer to have their views dictated to them?
If don hahn told you beast was supposed to be the color of a golden retriever Im sure you'd be completely fine with that. Hey, mr don hahn never lies or makes mistakes. To suggest such a thing would be insulting! he'd take artistic integrity any day over piles of cash.

Why do you assume cash is the motivator? Do you think people are buying Beauty and the Beast on DVD/Blu-ray because of the colours (which let's face it the average purchaser won't see until they buy the actual disc) or because of the movie? Do you think "changing" the colours will bump up sales by a significant percentage? Do you think people who previously ignored Beauty and the Beast are now queuing up to purchase the Dimond Edition?

He has no reason to lie. None what-so-ever. It's only your own sense of importance to the issue that has made you consider it a big event worthy of lying over. It is no conspiracy and no catastrophe capable of bringing Disney to it's knees.

Like the other directors I mentioned he could easily have admitted "yeah, we changed the colours. We prefer the new look" if that's why he did it. And it wouldn't have affected anyone except a small, minute, portion of the buyers.

Let me get this straight: It is NOT a crime to alter one's own artistic works, he has to lie or apologise to NO ONE and the motivation for such changes is rarely commercial.

I think some people here that hated the PE colors and now suddenly claim to love the DE just need a little time to get over the excitement of a new release and in the future they will be the first ones to hate on the "new" transfer.
Because anyone who was disappointed with the 2002 colors won't find the "new" colors appealing 'cause it's basically the same!

Rusty-compromised-muddy-vhs-quality colors RULE!

lol.

mawnck wrote: See, he's the Best Picture Oscar-nominated director, and we're the fanboys with the internet connections.

And it's the film with "WHITE bookpages" that got him the oscar nomination.

yukitora wrote:I really don't know what you guys are talking about, the pages aren't pink on my TV when I play it. TV calibration perhaps?

That's because the whole image is grey-ish/pink, and there are no real whites in the film anymore.

If you compare it with the original image you can clearly see the difference.