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Avaitor wrote:

Uh.....okay.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:Guys, Hans was gonna get punched. He led Anna to believe he loved and wanted to marry her for financial/political reasons, he left her in that room to die but first he humiliated her by saying nobody loved her, he almost murdered Elsa after telling her she had killed her sister. He DESERVED to be punched

Thankyou !

rs_milo_whatever wrote: This overanalyzing of a dumb little detail is so messy, nobody even cares and Hans deserved it. Can we go back to celebrating Walt Disney Pictures having the top grossing animated film of all time again for the first time since 2003?

Thankyou !

candydog wrote:
So wait.... You think.... that violence against men is ok? I mean NOBODY here thinks that violence against women is ok, so why should violence against men be ok?

If the man is mentally abusive and tries to murder your only sister, yeah, kick him in the Southern Isles.

candydog wrote: I mean.... wow.... the lack of understanding of what I thought to be a straightforward point is ASTOUNDING....

Listen Hans is my favorite Frozen character, favorite Disney villian, but he needed that punch. If Hans was a female and Anna was male, then female ! Hans would still deserve that punch.

I took two days off from this forum, and wow...

thelittleursula wrote: Listen Hans is my favorite Frozen character, favorite Disney villian, but he needed that punch. If Hans was a female and Anna was male, then female ! Hans would still deserve that punch.

But female Hans would not have been punched, as it would be seen as unacceptable and rightly so. The point I was making is that it's a double standard whether it was deserved or not.

I really only mentioned this in passing in my original post and honestly expected that if anyone noticed it the reaction would be "Oh yes, that is an unfortunate double standard in a movie that tried to address gender issues."

Apparently many people are not quite so evolved.

Wow! This has turned into some discussion! My two cents here:

I don't condone violence at all, but I think Hans really deserved that punch. In fact, I think they went too easy on him. Somehow just sending him back to his homeland doesn't seem like much of a punishment for what he did and intended to do. And as for that punch, he had it coming after telling poor Anna off the way he did. What a heartless schmuck!!!

candydog wrote:
But female Hans would not have been punched, as it would be seen as unacceptable and rightly so. The point I was making is that it's a double standard whether it was deserved or not.

I can sort of see where you're getting at here, but Hans was abusive. I still think that female Hans would of been punched, because he was abusive and almost murdered one and wanted the leave the other to freeze into a statue.

Anna isn't punching him because of his gender, but because he was manipulative and abusive towards her and Elsa.

candydog wrote: Apparently many people are not quite so evolved.

what ?

Angeldude98 wrote: I don't condone violence at all, but I think Hans really deserved that punch.

Bless !

Angeldude98 wrote: And as for that punch, he had it coming after telling poor Anna off the way he did. What a heartless schmuck!!!

Bless <3

The thing that annoys me about this entire discussion is that I never mentioned whether or not Hans deserved it.

I said that it was a double standard which it is. Everyone seems to reply with "BUT HANS DESERVED IT!"

To be totally honest, I never said he didn't deserve it. The point I was making was that he got punched whereas a female character in the same position wouldn't have.

Most people seem to have misunderstood and think that I'm saying he didn't deserve to be punished in some way.

All I'm saying is that I found it disappointing to see a double standard like this in a movie that set out to address the representation of genders onscreen.

I really don't know why so few people can even see the point I'm trying to make. It has nothing to do with whether or not Hans deserved it. It's merely me identifying a double standard.

I still have to watch the movie again to see if Anna's punch was for laughs. I see the double standard but still think the biological differences make, well, a difference. I don't think violence is ever deserved though.

What about the movie seemed to address gender issues in the first place?

candydog wrote: To be totally honest, I never said he didn't deserve it. The point I was making was that he got punched whereas a female character in the same position wouldn't have.

Ah, I see now. I agree with you there. I just think we should take a step back and relax; it seems like all we do as audiences now is find offensiveness in everything. No, Female!Hans would have never been punched by Male!Anna, I just don't see the point in pointing it out. Like, there are many other variations of AU Hans that wouldn't have gotten punched, this one was a jerk who got punched. Are we going to stop all physical confrontation in media because it might create an image of domestic violence, which has nothing to do with actual violence? Like, what Hans did was treason! It could have started a war between Arendelle and the Seven Isles. Just think of the other female Disney villains: the Evil Queen fell down a cliff after being chased by an angry mob (I hate to bring this up, but that do angry mobs do?), Ursula got freakin' shanked, Maleficent was also stabbed and died, and all the slapstick physical harm Yzma suffered! Nobody got up to defend these poor innocent women because they were villains just like Hans.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:Just think of the other female Disney villains: the Evil Queen fell down a cliff after being chased by an angry mob (I hate to bring this up, but that do angry mobs do?), Ursula got freakin' shanked, Maleficent was also stabbed and died, and all the slapstick physical harm Yzma suffered! Nobody got up to defend these poor innocent women because they were villains just like Hans.

This so much.

rs_milo_whatever wrote: It could have started a war between Arendelle and the Seven Isles.

Southern.

This thread...

thelittleursula wrote:

rs_milo_whatever wrote:Just think of the other female Disney villains: the Evil Queen fell down a cliff after being chased by an angry mob (I hate to bring this up, but that do angry mobs do?), Ursula got freakin' shanked, Maleficent was also stabbed and died, and all the slapstick physical harm Yzma suffered! Nobody got up to defend these poor innocent women because they were villains just like Hans.

This so much.

That's actually totally different. It's not as derogatory as a punch to the face. Many male Disney villains died in terrible ways too such as Frollo plummeting to his death and I have no problem with that. Also the female villains you mentioned were killed at the climax of the movie in order to save the hero or heroine's life. It's totally different to Hans being punched after the climax.

The Little Ursula, it's very clear that you cannot grasp what I'm trying to say, but please try. A female character in Hans' position WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUNCHED LIKE THAT. Surely, I mean SURELY you can see that?

Once again, I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, I'm saying it was a double standard in a movie where such issues were actually being addressed.

You have a valid point candydog, a female villain would not have been smacked in the face by a male hero the way Anna punched Hans.

Semaj wrote:This thread...

candydog wrote: The Little Ursula, it's very clear that you cannot grasp what I'm trying to say, but please try. A female character in Hans' position WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUNCHED LIKE THAT. Surely, I mean SURELY you can see that?

Once again, I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, I'm saying it was a double standard in a movie where such issues were actually being addressed.

How would you change things then ?? Because I really like Anna standing up for herself and not letting Hans' bs get to her. If she was soft on him, then Hans could easily find it a free road into being terrible to her and Elsa again.

I really believe that if you are a abusive manipulator, male or female, you deserve a punch in the face, because mental abuse is terrible, and I really love and adore Anna for punching him. Favorite Disney Princess.


Imo, this thread's title should be changed to Anna's punch : yay or nay ?

Do you know why you'd never see a male hero punch a female villain in the face?

Because there will be some women in the audience who have been punched in the face by a man who is seen as a hero by the world and seeing that on screen will hurt.

Because there will be men in the audience who may be abusive to their wives or partners and seeing that behaviour in a disney film, might be twisted enough to further justify themselves.

Do you know why it was okay for Anna to punch Hans in the face?

Because the risk above does not exist.

Because Anna's punch was a proportionate response to a highly extreme event, a double murder.

There is no double standard here. Why? Because as you can see above, the two scenarios are not standardised - they carry much different risks and consequences.

candydog wrote:...I'm saying it was a double standard in a movie where such issues were actually being addressed.

What issues? Where? When?

thelittleursula wrote: How would you change things then ?? Because I really like Anna standing up for herself and not letting Hans' bs get to her. If she was soft on him, then Hans could easily find it a free road into being terrible to her and Elsa again.

I really believe that if you are a abusive manipulator, male or female, you deserve a punch in the face, because mental abuse is terrible, and I really love and adore Anna for punching him. Favorite Disney Princess.

You are still missing my point entirely. I did not say Hans did not deserve it. I said a female character in the same situation would not have been punched.

Could you just answer me one question? Do you think that if the genders were reversed female Hans would have been punched by the male protagonist? Honestly? I'm not asking if you think she SHOULD have been punched, I'm asking if it would have happened.

That is the ONLY point I'm making. My point has nothing to do with who deserved what.