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Well, the best one according to you. As you know, what's "best" is highly subjective.Disney's Divinity wrote:I guess it's a thing that the best one almost never wins.
There is no world where the LK musical is below B&tB or Esmeralda is above Frollo. Just saying.Well, the best one according to you. A
As a huge Esmeralda fan I find this a little insulting. Frollo only started to gain attention because of the Hellfire song and the NC putting the song high on his Best Villain song list. Just saying.Disney's Divinity wrote:There is no world where the LK musical is below B&tB or Esmeralda is above Frollo. Just saying.
Nobody remembered Frollo or HOND until NC gave it some attention and then everybody was like " Omg Frollo " ! Before that Frollo and HOND was pretty much ignored or forgotten. :/Disney's Divinity wrote:I’m not sure why the NC would have anything to do with it...? I believe Tony Jay deserves more of the credit for saving the movie.
I'm sorry, but that is COMPLETE bullshit. The film has ALWAYS had its fans and its champions. And it's ALWAYS been popular among a certain segment of the population who grew up with it. The reason it's suddenly talked about is, quite simply, because we who saw it as kids and have been fans of it ever since grew up and now TALK about it online and through social media. Promote it, encourage discussion. Doug Walker gets way too much fucking credit. Just because he says something, doesn't make it gospel truth and doesn't mean people, LOTS OF PEOPLE, weren't saying it before him.Nobody remembered Frollo or HOND until NC gave it some attention and then everybody was like " Omg Frollo " ! Before that Frollo and HOND was pretty much ignored or forgotten. :/
Compared to the likes of The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King ? I don't think so. And why do you think that when HOND comes out on DVD and Bluray that the extras are so short ? Because of low sales.ProfessorRatigan wrote:
I'm sorry, but that is COMPLETE bullshit. The film has ALWAYS had its fans and its champions. And it's ALWAYS been popular among a certain segment of the population who grew up with it.
But he did help HOND and Frollo gain more attention and he did help let Hellfire and Frollo get more well known around the media. He helped Frollo get gain attention and praise. Alot.ProfessorRatigan wrote: Doug Walker gets way too much fucking credit.
Good for you ? I didn't mean that HOND was completely forgotten just not as well loved or praised as say Beauty and the Beast.ProfessorRatigan wrote: I live in rural Arkansas. I graduated high school in 2009. In my freshmen and sophomore years, ALL of my friends and acquaintances had heard of it, had seen it and loved it just as much as I did. We talked about it, Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin and, yes, The Lion King ad nauseam.
You can't deny that he did help HOND and Frollo and the song Hellfire gain more attention. And again, good for you ?ProfessorRatigan wrote: Doug Walker did most certainly NOT foment every shred of appreciation for this film and it is insulting to fans like me, who have fought for this film since day one, to suggest that that is the case.
Well let's so hope so. HOND does deserve more love.ProfessorRatigan wrote: I view it as akin to Alice in Wonderland and Fantasia. Both were written-off when they first came out. Both were 'forgotten.' But the people who loved them kept them alive, kept championing them and, eventually, the general public came to a consensus that they were masterpieces. Hunchback is, in my opinion, on a similar path.
Well yeah, of course. But imo he did help in the movie's and Frollo's case, quite a bit. That is my opinion and I hope that you can respect that.ProfessorRatigan wrote: Doug Walker MIGHT have a small bit to do with that, but he does NOT deserve all the credit.
Rigghht. That article came out the same year as the movie. What article about HOND and Frollo's villan persona has been done since then ?ProfessorRatigan wrote: And, yes, Frollo has ALWAYS been the most talked up bit of the film, since 1996. http://articles.philly.com/1996-06-16/e ... ale-frollo Your argument is invalid.
Yeah no. I honestly prefer B & B so much better, and yeah no. I'm not going to admit that it's "the best " when in my eyes, it's not.ProfessorRatigan wrote: As for Broadway shows, I agree completely with Disney's Divinity. The Lion King IS the best Broadway show. You have to be fair and admit that
Again, opinions. And I love that song btw.ProfessorRatigan wrote: What do we get in the stage version? "If I Can't Love Her!" This big, stupid, clunky, moapy ridiculous song that saps ALL the emotion out of the scene like a vacuum and has the audience checking their watch.
Uhm, hello ? It's a MUSICAL. They are going to add in more songs ! Duh ! And the song being awful is again, your opinion !ProfessorRatigan wrote: When the Beast DIES they PUT AN AWFUL FUCKING SONG THERE
Cool Story BroProfessorRatigan wrote: as if beating us over the head with how 'sad' we're supposed to feel! I was angry. ANGRY watching it. It completely destroyed EVERYTHING that was beautiful about that moment.
Oh le gods. This is a whole " STOP HATING WHAT I LOVE AND START LIKING WHAT I LOVE RANT " ! Again for the 10000 x time, that's is YOUR opinion.ProfessorRatigan wrote: So, yeah. Beauty and the Beast's stage show kind of sucked balls, actually.