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Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:45 am**

What's the aspect ratio for this release? 16:9 I hope.

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:48 am**

albogango wrote:What's the aspect ratio for this release? 16:9 I hope.

Sadly it's 4:3... I was hoping for 16:9 too - I hate the fullscreen format...

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:32 am**

Even when it's intended that way?

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:45 am**

Victurtle wrote:Even when it's intended that way?

No, but for what I understand 101 Dalmatians were made in two versions like The Jungle Book - or am I completely off here? I believe they released TJB in widescreen and I don't understand why they are not consistet like that...

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:56 pm**

They were animated in 4:3 and projected in 1.75:1, to fit the "widescreen trend" of the time.

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:27 pm**

I would much rather prefer for the film to be shown in "fullsrceen" with a DisneyView option than a cropped "intended" OAR presentation. The framing on the re-releases that had this done had the framing somewhat off and the cropping always looses some of the background art and animation work. I'm so glad 101 isn't gonna share that fate as it is one of my all time favorite Disney classics. I'm hoping The Jungle Book gets art commissioned for a DisneyView option because the Platinum Edition just looks awful. I never upgraded my 1999 Limited Issue for that reason and I'm holding on to it just in case we never see it released in its full 4:3 ratio again.

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:42 pm**

I am afraid I am siding with the "fullscreen" people here. I would rather have all the artwork and animation.

And for you 16x9 lovers... just use the zoom feature on your tv and you get the 16x9 image!

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:03 am**

thoughts on the Blu-ray release

- restoration is great, imagine the DVD, only in 1080p
- extras are the same
- the inanimated menus don't bother me as much as the fact that they are not interactive. you have to skip to the menu to access Scene Scelection for example
- the picture is in 1.33 (or 1.37:1, not sure)
- THERE IS NO DISNEY-VIEW

BDInfo I found on the net

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     One Hundred and One Dalmatians 1961 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1-HDChina
Disc Size:      34,848,793,781 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00800.MPLS
Length:                 1:19:16 (h:m:s)
Size:                   26,047,727,616 bytes
Total Bitrate:          43.81 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        31985 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3680 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3680 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD High-Res Audio           French          2046 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD High-Res Audio           German          2046 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Dutch           640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Turkish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         40.997 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         35.212 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           28.440 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           0.038 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           French          35.120 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.211 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           German          38.394 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          0.319 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Turkish         35.328 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Turkish         0.367 kbps

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:48 am**

Marce82 wrote:And for you 16x9 lovers... just use the zoom feature on your tv and you get the 16x9 image!

EXACTLY! If you have an HD TV and you are watching a blu-ray, the zoom feature on your TV gets rid of the black column bars and cops off the top and bottom the same as it would look if Disney modified it to fit 16.9 TVs. I did this for a little while, while breaking in my plasma and there was no decrease in quality with zooming in blus as there was with DVDs. Now that my TV has broken in, I much prefer to see all of the animation, and letter-boxing/column bars don't bother me at all.

I tried the Disney-View option, and it just didn't work for me. Personally, I found the artwork on the columns too distracting from the movie and it was actually taking me out of the experience. Much prefer the black bars.

So I say, release them all in the way they were animated and then people can zoom in if they have a problem with the matted columns.

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:02 am**

I always thought that ever since the mid-50's all the DAC were "16:9".

So aside from "Lady and the Tramp" and "Sleeping Beauty", what is the first DAC to be filmed in a 16:9 AR?

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:07 am**

rodis wrote:I always thought that ever since the mid-50's all the DAC were "16:9".

So aside from "Lady and the Tramp" and "Sleeping Beauty", what is the first DAC to be filmed in a 16:9 AR?

All the films after Sleeping Beauty and until the Black Cauldron were animated in 1.33:1 and projected in 1.75:1 (101 Dalmatians - The Fox and the Hound). The only wide Walt films are Sleeping Beauty and Lady and the Tramp.

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:13 am**

Lnds500 wrote:
rodis wrote:I always thought that ever since the mid-50's all the DAC were "16:9".

So aside from "Lady and the Tramp" and "Sleeping Beauty", what is the first DAC to be filmed in a 16:9 AR?
All the films after Sleeping Beauty and until the Black Cauldron were animated in 1.33:1 and projected in 1.75:1 (101 Dalmatians - The Fox and the Hound). The only wide Walt films are Sleeping Beauty and Lady and the Tramp.

Wow, never realized that. Why did they keep animating them in 1:33 as recently as 1981 when the world had already moved on to wider formats?

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:22 am**

rodis wrote:
Lnds500 wrote: All the films after Sleeping Beauty and until the Black Cauldron were animated in 1.33:1 and projected in 1.75:1 (101 Dalmatians - The Fox and the Hound). The only wide Walt films are Sleeping Beauty and Lady and the Tramp.
Wow, never realized that. Why did they keep animating them in 1:33 as recently as 1981 when the world had already moved on to wider formats?

I was thinking this yesterday. I think I've read somewhere (or heard - it could be on the 101 D Platinum DVD) that they couldn't cause of the Xerox process. It was one of the limitations of the time. I don't know why they didn't change it later on. Another reason could be that wider films were more costly to produce and took more time?

I'm not sure. It's also very interesting that the studio changed aspect ratios the minute the last of the old animators left the studio (during the production of FatH). The Black Cauldron is very wide (2.39:1 ????) and it's the first film since Sleeping Beauty to be animated / released this way.

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:45 am**

Worth checking... Thanks

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:06 pm**

I'm not sure why Disney took so long to adopt the widescreen format (not that I mind).

Those were years when movies played for a few months in theathers, and potentially forever after on TV (lets not forget Walt himself had been happy to broadcast Alice and Dumbo on TV). Maybe they thought it was better to make the films suited for TV.

But like Luke Bonnano said on one of his reviews on here (Artistocats maybe?)... when presented with the open matte of a Disney film, its not like we see the boom mic or something bad... we just see more artwork and more animation.

And like I said before, one can always zoom in on one's current tv and achieve the same cropped effect.

Posted: **Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:56 pm**

Because some people wanted me to do a comparison, I made a small one. I don't think there is a reason to do an extensive one for 101 Dalmatians since, unlike the Aristocats, there is not much difference between the two versions (other than the added resolution of course)

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Posted: **Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:47 pm**

Lnds500 wrote:Because some people wanted me to do a comparison, I made a small one. I don't think there is a reason to do an extensive one for 101 Dalmatians since, unlike the Aristocats, there is not much difference between the two versions (other than the added resolution of course)

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Looks like they had the release ready for HD when they released the PE... It looks like the exact same transfer... Just downscaled for the PE...

Posted: **Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:49 pm**

271286 wrote: Looks like they had the release ready for HD when they released the PE... It looks like the exact same transfer... Just downscaled for the PE...

yes.. and we should expect nearly all the rest to be the same.

Cinderella, The Jungle Book, Peter Pan, The Great Mouse Detective, The Black Cauldron etc

Posted: **Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:55 pm**

Compared to all the other botched recent releases this one looks really great! I can't wait go get it...

This just proves how much it pays to do the restorations well in the first place... Back when they restored this they did a really thorough job and invested money and time on it... Now 5-6-7 years later they can effortlessly produce an impressing HD release...

Posted: **Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:33 pm**

271286 wrote:Compared to all the other botched recent releases this one looks really great! I can't wait go get it...

This just proves how much it pays to do the restorations well in the first place... Back when they restored this they did a really thorough job and invested money and time on it... Now 5-6-7 years later they can effortlessly produce an impressing HD release...

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29946

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