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Goliath is still suspended as of right now! Harsh! But there may be some reasoning I don't know. I have to admit I like the feeling of hostility that isn't present, though. If people call that boring...I guess peace is boring? But I do want Goliath to come back 'cause I still like the guy even after all I've been through with him. Oh, Goliath.

Thanks again for people in here that have defended me. FYI, I never attacked anyone, Dr Frankenollie only says that in his opinion after he attacked me. I already explained how I didn't do it, anything further is opinion.

Dr Frankenollie wrote:Instead of him being suspended, Disney Duster should be suspended again.[/size]

For what?

Dr Frankenollie wrote:I've agreed with Duster a few times and his resilience in the Disney Essence debate is fairly impressive, but nonetheless he often displays a lack of regard for logic, fairness, sense and evidence, and on several threads wastes bandwidth by complaining that it looks too 'un-Disney-ish' (or something like that). If he continues in the manner he's been in for I'm sure has been quite a few years, then he should at least be suspended again.

Why would anyone be suspended for these things?

Disney Duster wrote: I don't know. I have to admit I like the feeling of hostility that isn't present, though. If people call that boring...I guess peace is boring?

Sad isn't it? Luckily most of us don't like the hostility and it is part of the reason certain users have left the forum. There's something wrong when one has to think twice about posting in fear of getting personally attacked. Also, threads that are made, lashing out at certain people (political threads whose topic is lashing out at certain groups) isolate UD members would share those political beliefs. I've also seen certain users say UD members that have certain political beliefs don't belong on this forum (I didn't realize UD was a political forum). That's hardly the attitude that should be tolerated around here. Some like it and think it's cool and witty and intelligent. Most don't. Needless to say, when I saw some users agreeing with posts suggesting members with certain beliefs be banned (was said generally and not to any specific person), I was very shocked and disturbed and almost left the forum myself that instant. I was not about to be a part of a forum where people are that blatantly intolerant of others' beliefs that they would actually suggest they be banned for doing nothing but having those beliefs. I didn't realize part of the UD forum rules included having to have certain beliefs to be a member. It's that sense of entitlement and arrogance that's getting old with certain members.

Well, to a point, I agree with you. But I believe homophobic and anti-gay attitudes don't belong on this forum. At all. And who's to say members spewing that garbage aren't adding to the hostility and unpleasent atmosphere on the board in their way?

Lazario wrote:Well, to a point, I agree with you. But I believe homophobic and anti-gay attitudes don't belong on this forum. At all. And who's to say members spewing that garbage aren't adding to the hostility and unpleasent atmosphere on the board in their way?

Those could be lumped in with posts that are intended to inflame others. a.k.a trolling. Trolling is generally against the rules in forums. I 100% agree that those attitudes don't belong in the forum.

I guess this goes back the the self-censoring idea where one watches what they post and if something they post may inflame a lot of users and make it very hostile then they should perhaps think twice about posting it. Most of us have been pretty good about that.

Oh and I have to give you props because the changes you made are noticeable and your posts are exponentially less hostile and more respectful than they used to be. I have to commend you on that.

The_Iceflash wrote:I was not about to be a part of a forum where people are that blatantly intolerant of others' beliefs that they would actually suggest they be banned for doing nothing but having those beliefs. I didn't realize part of the UD forum rules included having to have certain beliefs to be a member. It's that sense of entitlement and arrogance that's getting old with certain members.

Hate speech should not be tolerated any more than personal attacks are. Being homophobic, racist, sexist etc cannot be justified by simply stating "it's only my belief/opinion". How can these members demand tolerance and respect for their "opinions" when they don't do the same to the certain communities and groups of people they keep insulting and belittling with their "opinions"?

Lazario wrote:And who's to say members spewing that garbage aren't adding to the hostility and unpleasant atmosphere on the board in their way?

They certainly are.

Sotiris wrote:

The_Iceflash wrote:I was not about to be a part of a forum where people are that blatantly intolerant of others' beliefs that they would actually suggest they be banned for doing nothing but having those beliefs. I didn't realize part of the UD forum rules included having to have certain beliefs to be a member. It's that sense of entitlement and arrogance that's getting old with certain members.

Hate speech should not be tolerated any more than personal attacks are. Being homophobic, racist, sexist etc cannot be justified by simply stating "it's only my belief/opinion". How can these members demand tolerance and respect for their "opinions" when they don't do the same to the certain communities and groups of people they keep insulting and belittling with their "opinions"?

Hate speech pretty much is personally attacking and definately shouldn't be tolerated. I agree 100% with this. I've seen hate speech around here about everything you described and I've seen hate speech regarding political parties which would be fine until it turned into hate speech about anyone who is a part of that party. I don't have a problem with criticizing political parties in political threads but when turns into hate speech about anyone who is a member, then it's a different story.

Lazario wrote:And who's to say members spewing that garbage aren't adding to the hostility and unpleasant atmosphere on the board in their way?

They certainly are.

Agreed. Any and all hostile and inflammatory posts certainly contribute to the hostility and unpleasant atmosphere on the board.

Also, I've learned a long time ago to that sometimes it's not so much the opinion being said but how it's being said. Anyone's opinions who are hostile, arrogant, and offensive I have no time to listen to or read. I guess that's why most political commentators I have no time for.

A lot of the hostility around here also comes from opinions being stated that way. If someone states an opinion in a hostile, arrogant, and offensive way, those who disagree with them are going to respond in exactly the same way.

The two things I think need to be done in order for the forum to be a much more pleasant environment is:

1. This twice about your post and if it is inflammatory and comes off as trolling, don't post it.
2. When stating an opinion, don't make and specific or generalized personal attack and don't state your opinion in a hostile, arrogant, and/or offensive manner.

For the record I want to say I never felt Lazario was hostile. He got angry (like everyone does) and showed it in his posts, and defensive, but I wouldn't say his most angry posts have been "hostile".

I've spoken with Goliath. He's been issued a three week penalty so he should be back this coming Saturday. It's not my place to say anything further on the subject.

As for this thread itself, I'm appalled that it was created to celebrate one of our members, but eventually became a tool to list off reasons for disliking another and why he supposedly should be suspended. Honestly, it's not an appropriate subject to be openly discussed in such a manner; if there are any such issues, it should be discussed privately with the moderators/admins so that any appropriate action, if necessary, may be taken.

I agree with enigmawing, that this thread has taken an appalling turn. If you have concerns or issues regarding the behavior of a fellow member, you are encouraged to speak privately with a mod through email or pm. This naming off people who you think should or shouldn't be suspended is inappropriate, and it creates a hostile environment.

I had hoped to leave this thread open for Goliath's return. Since it is no longer a Goliath appreciation thread, I am going to have to close it.