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I don't buy the "you can't be racist against whites" thing either. So to have racial epitomes, a race must have a history of being enslaved or exterminated, to actually count as having racist slurs against them?

Mind you, I not for being politically correct 100% of the time. And I do follow the creed of Avenue Q that everyone is a little bit racist. There is a difference between ignorance and hate. We all at one time or another, will say something that may be offensive to a certain type of people (race, financial class, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc). Doesn't mean we say it in hate, we just say it not realizing it will hurt. We might think its funny to everyone because its funny to ourselves.

But to think that one can't think racist things against whites is possible, that in itself is an ignorant thought.

With all this back-and-forth between Lazario and Goliath, all this fight needs is Milk Buds.

Song of the South has long been considered a "family film" before this thread (or any other UD threads on the film) existed.

And yes, Milk Buds are indeed needed right now...

albert

Escapay wrote:And yes, Milk Buds are indeed needed right now...

Well, since they are so needed . . .



I'm also adding popcorn and Junior Hints for those who'd like some. Peace out.

*steps back out of the thread*

Scary...

Disney's Divinity wrote:

It's not about "revenge". You think Chris Rock or another black comedian making a joke about white people is "revenge"?

But it must be. At least that's the way you're rationalizing it. It's okay if minorities criticize and joke about whitepeople because, hey, those white people deserve it.

Do you believe that's the reason they make those jokes, though?

Disney's Divinity wrote:As for how I feel about Song of the South, I really don't see the point in not releasing it. I think the main problem anyone would have with it really is because it's audience would have to be children (how else would Disney market it when, for some reason, they believe their only profitable markets are to toddlers and tweens?). And, yes, I think it would be fairly disturbing to see it sitting on store shelves with bright colors and a smiling slave to entice the kiddies.

The only hope this movie has of being released is via a Treasures set. In which case I believe the only picture of it on the front would be a small rectangle in the center of the tin. I've never seen a Treasures set in stores... Where did you all find those?

Flanger-Hanger wrote:The irony is that Disney has done more to keep this film in the public consciousness than its much more recent/less offensive material.

Do you think this is intentional, though?

ajmrowland wrote:With all this back-and-forth between Lazario and Goliath, all this fight needs is Milk Buds.

There is just something wrong with candy being marketed with "Milk" in the title. Don't ask me what...

Siren wrote:So to have racial epitomes, a race must have a history of being enslaved or exterminated, to actually count as having racist slurs against them?

Mind you, I not for being politically correct 100% of the time.

When did Political Correctness suddenly replace basic human respect?

Siren wrote:But to think that one can't think racist things against whites is possible, that in itself is an ignorant thought.

So what? A racist thought against a white person can't crack that culturally-grown sense of entitlement white people have.

Siren wrote:I don't buy the "you can't be racist against whites" thing either.

It depends on what your definition of racism is. A black man actually told me once that a person cannot be racist unless they have power given to them. That black people could never be racist toward white people because in that dynamic the victims have more power. The conversation was strange at the time because I had black friends and I never talked "about" black people. We were all just people, friends, the same - etc. God knows what they probably thought about Song of the South. But that was almost 20 years ago. Today, people want excuses for everything. They want a free Pass Card to say anything offensive they want to about anyone. With no consequences. Were me and my friends naive back then? Or just secure with ourselves?

What did I know about racism- I was never a victim. I didn't say things like black people want revenge. I didn't have an attitude about "I deserve this" or that. Anyone could see that things weren't equal. And with attitudes like this whole anti-P.C. movement, I see things are still not equal. Though people want them to be, they still want the right to say anything about anyone they want to. Then, a topic like this comes along and someone complains that black people aren't playing by the rules of equality. Well, complaining about the minorities complaining does not make a person a champion of equality. It makes a person unrealistic. Things aren't equal and we still have a long way to go (at this rate). But certain people only speak up when they think there's a double standard against white people.

Yet even after all this double-standard talk, I'm not a victim of racism in any way, shape, or form. I'm realistic about this and I know what the real problem is. People making excuses for bad behavior. Which I see every single day since I'm gay. I know people still say whatever the hell they want to about minorities and expect to not be held accountable for the fact they feel compelled to voice their ignorance. Ignorance I can live with. You can try to talk sense into an ignorant person but you can't erase their past. No, ignorance itself isn't the problem. It's what people do about it. When they feel the need to be vocal. This whining from white people comes with a double standard all its' own. That they only recognize inequality when they think someone says or thinks something racist about them.

Lazario wrote:Do you think this is intentional, though?

Why wouldn't it be? If people line up for Splash Mountain to the point where its one of the most popular attractions in the park why change it? If there is a demand to buy merch why not sell it?

Nobody said they had to include songs from the movie on compilation CDs or excerpts on sing along videos, but they did and will continue to as long as they can get away with it.

Disney has and will continue to do virtually anything for this movie outside of a full home video release because they can get away with it and make money off it. Its' their hypocritical stance on the film that makes me annoyed that not even a WDT release has happened (the most obvious way of putting the film out) by now.

I wonder what Mary would think if she knew the film was shown on BBC as recent as 2006? Think of all the little Brits whose minds were warped by such a broadcast (or even knew it was on?)!

I've seen SOTS and find it no different from Gone with the Wind. If Disney could release Mickey Mouse cartoons and Silly Symphony shorts with explanatory comments, the same could be done with SOTS.

Nobody seems to protest DVD releases of GWTW or The Little Rascals! No one seems to demand a boycott of Disney products and vacations due to the release of the Disney cartoon shorts....

I think the "back-and-forth" over whether or not to release Song of the South has been the primary source of any racial stigma attached to the movie.

Mouseketodd wrote:Nobody seems to protest DVD releases of GWTW or The Little Rascals! No one seems to demand a boycott of Disney products and vacations due to the release of the Disney cartoon shorts....

I think the "back-and-forth" over whether or not to release Song of the South has been the primary source of any racial stigma attached to the movie.

I think no one ever complains too much about GWTW because it's regarded as a classic to many people despite its portrayl of slaves. I don't remember The Little Rascals in any way being racist... And tell me, how many people outside of film or Disney fans know the releasing of the shorts anyway?

I'm not sure about the releasing of the film being that big of a problem, before the 1990s, anyway. I think its just that the source of racial stigma is how people view the Disney company. Many people think that Disney is all moral and the company does have an influence on culture, especially on kids. But, when something like this shows people are shocked and angry because Disney seems to be perfect, not aware of the film's origins.

Dragonlion wrote:I don't remember The Little Rascals in any way being racist

Though racism wasn't done maliciously, there are many stereotypes within the original Little Rascals. Watermelon jokes was one of them. Though viewing it these days, many of the races were stereotyped in the show. Again, not maliciously. I wouldn't call it racism. The children were always portrayed as equals and "color blind" to each others' races. Some of the black kids had the most and best lines too.

Its really only in later years was references of Little Rascals and Our Gang USED for racist reasons. Such as calling someone "Buckwheat". It didn't start out racist, but our culture took the name of a character and made it a slur and insult to some.

That's not the same as saying the show itself, was racist. I think the show was ahead of its time. It still certainly showed the times in some instances, but for the most part, nothing else was like it back then. It showed children, as children. That children have to be raised to hate. They aren't born that way. Kids will play with other kids, regardless of age, gender, race, or religion. Its parents and society who teach them not to.

Mouseketodd wrote:I think the "back-and-forth" over whether or not to release Song of the South has been the primary source of any racial stigma attached to the movie.

Black people have found this film deeply offensive for many decades and have voiced that opinion for many decades as well (not just one or two or even three- further back than that). I think, if I'm reading you right, you're incorrect. That's most likely where the studio's hesitance to release it has come from. Culturally, it's been targeted by a lot of people and rightly so as a source of classic film racism. So the back and forth hasn't inspired anything that wasn't already there. Except for the responses in these threads.

People not being aware of the cartoons being released only makes the Treasures Line a safer bet.