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Despite the Chinese setting of the original story, I believe Aladdin could take place in a province of Islamic Persia. I read Rasoul Azadani the layout supervisor modeled Agrabah on his home town of Isfahan, Iran. While Aladdin and Jasmine are Arabic names (which are quite common in non-Arab Muslim cultures) Jafar and Razoul are Persian in origin.

Plus the interior of the cave of wonders features ancient Persian statues and architecture, reminiscient of the ruins of Persepolis.

The song "Arabian Nights" could merely be a reference to the collection of stories in which Aladdin first appeared, rather than the historical Arabian peninsula.

Since the film itself is based on both versions of THE THEIF OF BAGDAD, and Bagdad was originally mentioned in some fo the cut songs, that is another likely location.

my take here.

- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - Germany, 14th century
- Pinocchio - Italy, late 18th century or early 19th century
- Dumbo - USA, early 20th century
- Bambi - eh doesn't matter to me. anywhere that has a forest is possible.
- Cinderella - Belgium, 18th or 19th century(the clothes style kinda hard to pinpoint the era but whatever)
- Alice in Wonderland - England, late 19th century Victorian era specifically
- Peter Pan - England, early 20th century around 1910 would be my best guess.
- Lady and the Tramp - USA, late 19th/early 20th century
- Sleeping Beauty - France/Germany, 14th century
- 101 Dalmatians - England, 1950s
- The Sword in the Stone - Medieval England
- The Jungle Book - India, 19th century
- The Aristocats - France, 1910
- Robin Hood - Medieval England
- The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - ??? LOL Although I love the modern TV series Winnie the Pooh
- The Rescuers - USA, I dunno time period
- The Rescuers Down Under - Australia, dunno time period
- The Fox and the Hound - USA, 1950s
- The Black Cauldron - Prydain (mythical Britain)
- The Great Mouse Detective - England, Victorian era.
- Oliver & Company - USA, 1980s
- The Little Mermaid - somewhere in the Mediterranean, 18th century
- Beauty and the Beast - France, early 18th century
- Aladdin - Middle East Iran like poster above said, 16th century i dunno
- The Lion King - Kenya, any time is possible
- Pocahontas - USA, 17th century (1607)
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame - France, actually it set in medieval era so late 14th century is possible
- Hercules - Ancient Greece
- Mulan - China, well great wall of China was there so any time in BC after the wall.
- Tarzan - West Africa, 1910s
- The Emperor's New Groove - Peru, i got nothing here.
- Atlantis: The Lost Empire - USA/Atlantis - 1910s
- Lilo & Stitch - USA, 1950 actually as if Elvis was indication.
- Treasure Planet - distant future
- Brother Bear - USA/Canada, after the ice age
- Home on the Range - USA, late 19th century
- Chicken Little - ???
- Meet the Robinsons - USA, 2007/2037
- Bolt - USA, present time
- The Princess and the Frog - USA, 1920s[/quote]

The Emperor's New Groove, I think is a little more Incan than Peruvian. It's SA, at least. And Atlantis is 1914, to be exact. And Lilo and Stitch being in the 1950's is unlikely. She could've been just a posthumous fan of Elvis.

There's too much modern influence in "Lilo and Stitch" for it to be in the 50s. For one, the dress isn't there (I'm not expecting Hawaii and average america to look the same, but still), and the second thing that really came to mind was the Big Wheel that Stitch hijacks. Also I think there's a dish washer? Or the mention of one?

And this doesn't necessarily count- it can be like Pumbaa in "Hunchback"- but Nani has that "Mulan" poster in her room.

*sigh* I can't believe people don't know where Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh takes place. HELLO it's called the 100 Aker Wood Seriuosly though, it's actually a place in England I believe called Ashdown Forest.

http://www.just-pooh.com/ashdown.html

Emperors New Groove I think is the Inca Empire, modern day Peru since that's where the military/administrative/political center for it was and it was called Cuzco (sound familiar?) >_> At least that's what wikipedia says on Peru/Inca Empire.

Ajmrowland: Incan and Peru are the same thing, the Incan Empire was in the same region as modern day Peru (among other places in SA)

Disney Duster wrote:Oh, I wasn't sure you'd be around Disney Villain, I'm glad.

It is true Perrault could have imagined or intended the characters to be some place other than France, or just any anywhere in general, or some faraway fantasy place, but as far as Disney is concerned, they probably set it in France because it came from a French story with a French author. I like PhillipFan's idea of the border between Germany and France, with Phillip from Germany. They use the French and German stories.

Yes, DisneyDuster I’m back (for the most part). As always I enjoy reading your thoughts!

France seems to be definitive answer. I’m thinking of sending Dave Smith an e-mail. Perhaps during the production of Sleeping Beauty the setting was tossed around and decided on.

Disney Duster wrote:Oh, and Perrault actually named the sleeping princess' duaghter Aurora, not the sleeping princess herself. And she had a son called...something that meant "day", and he was more beautiful than his sister like the day is more beautiful than the done...or something...weird, I know.

I knew that about Dawn and Day (the Sleeping Beauty’s children). I used to read the Perrault version religiously. Thank you for clarifying that point though.

Disney Duster wrote:Also, they told Mary Costa to have an "English" accent, which I don't think specifically means British. I mean, she definately doesn't sound like Mary Poppins or any British lady to me!

Yea, as I said it was most likely done to get rid of her southern accent. You’re right, she most defenitaly does not sound British.

Many years ago when I visited the Greek Island of Cyprus , there was a castle ( St Hilarion's Castle ? ) which apparently Disney used for the inspiration for Snow White Castle though I'm sure it wasn't intended that Snow White was intended to be based in Cyprus!

Jack Skellington wrote:I think it's France too, Charles Perault is from France, so he would probably write a story which takes place there.

But Belgium's national language is French though.

Actually, Belgium is officially bilingual. They speak Dutch (Flemish) and French.

I would also object to characterizing Perrault (and Grimm and others) as 'authors'. Yes, it's true they have written down the stories we are now familiar with, but they didn't invent most of the elements in the fairy tales. For example, the Grimm Brothers traveled all through the German countryside to collect old folk tales from the farmers and villagers; they thought that through such typical German stories (as they *thought* they were), they could understand the nature of the German 'race' (remember this happened late in the 19th century). The 'fairy tales' they have written down, are taken from what they heard on their travels; they didn't think of them themselves. And all these stories had elements in them from much older fairy tales, myths and sagas.

Goliath wrote:

Jack Skellington wrote:I think it's France too, Charles Perault is from France, so he would probably write a story which takes place there.

But Belgium's national language is French though.

Actually, Belgium is officially bilingual. They speak Dutch (Flemish) and French.

Now that you mention it, Cinderella even wore wooden clogs when feeding the animals. The flemish regions wore wooden clogs.

But I can't help it but say that the Stepmother's appearances look like something right out of 1890's to/or beginning of 20th century.

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:*sigh* I can't believe people don't know where Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh takes place. HELLO it's called the 100 Aker Wood Seriuosly though, it's actually a place in England I believe called Ashdown Forest.

http://www.just-pooh.com/ashdown.html

Emperors New Groove I think is the Inca Empire, modern day Peru since that's where the military/administrative/political center for it was and it was called Cuzco (sound familiar?) >_> At least that's what wikipedia says on Peru/Inca Empire.

Ajmrowland: Incan and Peru are the same thing, the Incan Empire was in the same region as modern day Peru (among other places in SA)

Ah, okay. I didn't know that.

Goliath, I have done a lot of research on fairy tales, and Perrault and the Grimm's are still indeed the authors of the versions we know and love today. Look, the Cinderella tale has been around since Ancient Egypt, but it is still not "Cinderella" as we know it today. The "Cinderella" we know today, with pumpkin, mice, fairy godmother, and glass slipper, we owe to Perrault. He actually did come up with those elements. But anyway, I could even say something like "Coraline" has elements from so many other stories, but he's still the author. Whatever we make has things from, or things similar to things in other works. It's still original, it's still ours. Perrault was the first one to come up with "Cendrillon", our Cinderella. The Grimm's came after, and though you could think the version they recorded (and changed, mind you!) might be closer to the "original version", whatever that would be, the earliest version we know is Cenerentola, which is very much like both Perrault and the Grimm's.

And anyway, the movies we are talking about were credited as being based on specific literature, so it is very correct to say something like "Disney's Cinderella is set in France because the author of the book with the story in it on which the Disney movie is based lived in France during the time of kings and queens and all the things he described and that are in the movie."

Thank you Goliath and SuperAurora. So then, you think Cinderella is set in Belgium, perhaps more Flemish regions? And thanks for telling me about the stepmother, too. QAnyone know anything about small kingdoms existing with France in either 16th, 17th, 18th or 19th century?

By the way, I already mentioned that Walt Disney sent Mary Blair and some other artists to France for work for the film...

I think The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under were meant to be set in contemporary times so The Rescuers would be in the late '70s (isn't the WTC in some of the backgrounds?) and Down Under in early '90s (though Bernard & Bianca don't look to have aged a day.)

Lilo & Stitch is set in contemporary times too so it would be the early '00s. At the least it would only be as old as Elvis' most recent song featured which I believe is Burning Love which made it to #2 in October of '72.

I recall Bambi being a mule deer so that, I think, would set the film in the western US (or Canada).

Just my thoughts...

Another point for "Cinderella" taking place in Belgium: Belgium was (and still is) a monarchy. "Cinderella" presumably takes place in the 19th century, but monarchy was abolished in France in 1789.

Disney Duster wrote:Goliath, I have done a lot of research on fairy tales, and Perrault and the Grimm's are still indeed the authors of the versions we know and love today. Look, the Cinderella tale has been around since Ancient Egypt, but it is still not "Cinderella" as we know it today. The "Cinderella" we know today, with pumpkin, mice, fairy godmother, and glass slipper, we owe to Perrault.

I don't disagree with you on that. I just wanted to make clear it's very tricky to contribute a fairy tale to just one author.

I don't think Cinderella took place in Belgium, and certainly not in the Flemish-speaking part of the country. Actually, it's less than a 100 years ago that Dutch (Flemish) has been accepted as an official/acceptable language in Belgium. For a very long period of time, it was considered vulgar, only to be used by 'the common people'.

I don't have a particular country in mind, since I see the story taking place "once upon a time, in a magical land far, far away..." I don't know when Cinderella takes place, but the story has a king and a prince in it, and they don't exactly look like French monarchy.

Compare to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_France

mooky_7_sa wrote:Another point for "Cinderella" taking place in Belgium: Belgium was (and still is) a monarchy. "Cinderella" presumably takes place in the 19th century, but monarchy was abolished in France in 1789.

Actually, according to the link posted above, the last monarch of France ruled from 1830 to 1848.

Goliath wrote:I don't disagree with you on that. I just wanted to make clear it's very tricky to contribute a fairy tale to just one author.

Well, Disney attributes their movie to one author!

Goliath wrote:I don't have a particular country in mind, since I see the story taking place "once upon a time, in a magical land far, far away..." I don't know when Cinderella takes place, but the story has a king and a prince in it, and they don't exactly look like French monarchy.

Well, firstly the Prince and King do sort of look like Louis-Philippe I, but actually, on a making of Cinderella I own, different from the DVD version, one background artist mentioned making the backgrounds in the style of King Louis the...something, maybe the 14th 18th or 8th, don't remember, but it was a French king! Also, like I said twice, Walt Disney sent some artists working on Cinderella to France for the film.

The King looks more like a German Kaiser to me.

It's official. "Once Upon A Time" just isn't enough anymore.

Goliath wrote:The King looks more like a German Kaiser to me.

It's the mustache.

ajmrowland wrote:It's official. "Once Upon A Time" just isn't enough anymore.

Who says "Once Upon a Time" has to take place in a fictional country?

How about "in a land far, far away"?