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lord-of-sith wrote:Wow! Original Zira's death was creepy. They really should have kept it!

That was...freaky. I forgot how crazy her eyes could get. Still sad.

just watched the youtube of Zira, she's def. crazy, I felt really bad for her when Nuka died because for one moment you saw a diff. side of her, one that shows she has feelings other than anger and hate, I think her name Zira means anger or hate, can't remember

I just looked the name up; it does mean hatred or grudge. As for the fact she showed a different side to her - exactly! She truly was a loving mother, despite ... well, you know.

I tend to love complex angular female characters like that. =P There's really not many other ways to say that.

Anyway, the fact that she died is sad. Her original suicide I can certainly see happening now, which is both freakish and even more sad. Zira was so bent on her ambitions and indepedence that she chose death over any form of help. That hits close to home for me, especially after something personal that happened today. The suicide hits close to home in another sense. I'm thinking of unintetional suicides (i.e. eating disorders, etc.) but the concept is similar.

Most of my family think I'm crazy for thinking Zira's death scene is sad, but than again they're all Anti-Villain Morgana from Little Mermaid 2 had a pretty creepy death scene, I can't remember it but I know I wouldn't want that to happen to me Now that I think of it, when it shows Zira falling it reminds me of when Scar fell, or Mufasa just the way it looks, can't remember what Scar looked like, but it def. reminds of when one of those two fell off the cliff/pride rock

I seem to be the only person in the world who thinks

Morgana > Ursula.

Not in matters of villainous schemes and such, but in matters of being a deep character, Morgana wins.

I've never really thought about it that way Prudence, I'll have to watch the two movies tonight and see if I can see what you mean. I guess that there's two Villains that will never die, Chernabog and Hades since they're both gods, and the only way you can kill a god is to turn him mortal first (according to Hades at least)

actually Chernabog can die since hes just a demon. which reminds me, what is his villianous plot? what is his motive? why is he considered a villian? heck i didn't know he was a villian until Kingdom Hearts and Mickey's House of Villains.
and you know i never feel sympapetic about the villain's but Zira's death is sad. trying to survive and almost got saved and acidently falling to her death. now that's sad just finished wacthing her original death and that is even sadder . the only villain i really understand is the Wicked Witch because she wasn't wicked, just misunderstood by everyone. i must like her because of Wicked where you learn about her whole life, her hardships, her best friend Galinda and why she was pronounced 'Wicked'.

what about Forte? did he kill himself? or did the Beast kill him? I don't remember...

If I remember correctly, Beast tore Forte apart, but I wonder, what would happen to Forte AFTER Beast turned back into human with the rest of the castle servants, I mean Forte was the composer I think, so did he turn into a human or did he remain an bunch of Organ pieces after the spell was broken.....Anyways Chernabog is a villain because he's according to one book I read: Disney's version of the devil. But according to a book all about Fantasia calls him the God of Darkness, plus in the original poem by Moussorgsky, he is called Chernobog, Glorification of the Black God, The Black Mass. THe Revelry of the Witche's Sabbath. That last bit is word for word from the book or the original poem, or at least a piece of it.

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:If I remember correctly, Beast tore Forte apart, but I wonder, what would happen to Forte AFTER Beast turned back into human with the rest of the castle servants, I mean Forte was the composer I think, so did he turn into a human or did he remain an bunch of Organ pieces after the spell was broken.....Anyways Chernabog is a villain because he's according to one book I read: Disney's version of the devil. But according to a book all about Fantasia calls him the God of Darkness, plus in the original poem by Moussorgsky, he is called Chernobog, Glorification of the Black God, The Black Mass. THe Revelry of the Witche's Sabbath. That last bit is word for word from the book or the original poem, or at least a piece of it.

That and he based on a Romanian(slavic) God of evil or soemthing similar to that.

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:If I remember correctly, Beast tore Forte apart, but I wonder, what would happen to Forte AFTER Beast turned back into human with the rest of the castle servants, I mean Forte was the composer I think, so did he turn into a human or did he remain an bunch of Organ pieces after the spell was broken.....Anyways Chernabog is a villain because he's according to one book I read: Disney's version of the devil. But according to a book all about Fantasia calls him the God of Darkness, plus in the original poem by Moussorgsky, he is called Chernobog, Glorification of the Black God, The Black Mass. THe Revelry of the Witche's Sabbath. That last bit is word for word from the book or the original poem, or at least a piece of it.

I think Forte might have stayed an organ.but if he did turn back into a human wouldn't be in a bunch of fleshy body parts?

I so need to see the movie again

Mine:

1. Honrned King in The Black Cauldron

2. Jafar in The Return of Jafar

3. Ursula in The Little Mermaid

4. Judge Doom in Who Framed Roger Rabbit

I think the most disturbing deaths of a villain would be:

1. Clayton in Tarzan (seeing the shadow swing was what really did it for me)

2. Gaston in BATB (just because he fell from so far up and I really hated him. I wonder if he had time to think about how horrible a person he was)

3. Judge Doom in Who Framed Roger Rabbit (all the screaming and suffering and how his eyes turned into scary knives before the big scene)

The Queen in Snow White, falling off a cliff is probably one of my biggest fears and The Queen is one of my favourite characters, I felt sorry for her (I know, I'm weird)

I don't think it's too terribly weird to feel sorry for villains.