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Is Brenda implying here that creative differences weren't the real reason she was removed from the project or am I misreading this?

Winning the Academy Award is the happy ending to the bittersweet story of Chapman and "Brave".

"I was forcibly removed from the picture for what I have to say were creative differences," Brenda Chapman said. "It was really difficult to lose that connection with a crew that was so dedicated to the film and so dedicated to my vision".

Source: http://www.marinij.com/millvalley/ci_22 ... -brave-her

As much as I loved Brave, I wonder how different Brenda's take on the film would have been. I can only say that I've lost a bit of respect for Pixar.

No, not because of the Oscar ordeal (even though I'm still a tad sore about it), but more at how they kicked Brenda off the project, not before praising the idea after a [male] director/animator/whatever pitched HER idea. Am I the only one who finds Pixar to be a little sexist?!

Oh, well. At least they credited her as a director AND allowed her to appear with Mark Andrews at both the Golden Globes and Oscars.

Chapman wasn't at the Golden Globes. You're thinking of the BAFTAs. From what I've gathered from interviews and listening to the commentary, the main change Mark Andrews did was add a lot more humour to the film and softening the Mor'du story somewhat. I've pretty much concluded that the weaker elements were Andrews' additions and changes and the parts that work really well were Brenda Chapman's work. I think she definitely should have stayed the sole director through the entire project.

^Totally agree, I've concluded the same thing. There's no denying how amazing the first act of the film is. It's powerful and emotional. It's the incredibly weak second act that completly bogs the film, where the film focuses on action and weak humor with a weird tonal change. The film is really fighting with itself in the 3rd act.

The comedic aspects, such as the idiotic triplet brothers, were Brave's most annoying moments. The Mor'du backstory was about a billion times more fascinating than watching those little kids bounce on a woman's breast (gee how feminist). Mulan never once stooped to such levels of women-insulting stupidity, so that film will always have the edge over Brave in terms of a feminist portrayal of a 'princess'.

Brave was good, but I think Chapman's vision could have been great.

PatrickvD wrote:...those little kids bounce on a woman's breast (gee how feminist).

I agree that it's absolutely stupid unnecessary humor, but how is that anti-feminist? If there was some kind of undertone of "women are only good for their boobs", that's when it gets insulting. But there isn't.

I thought this was funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnt3uzml-5k

Kyle wrote:Im not saying its not a lame excuse, the academy just tends vote certain ways. The more tears the more likely it is to win. wreck it ralf just wasn't aiming to be that kind of movie. Not that Brave was either, but they probably got more out of that transformation scene than wreck it as a whole. Its also more of a period piece, which they tend to go for.

Yeah, tears. By that logic Frankenweenie should've been the only nominee.

But I'm not gonna go down there with this post. I'll say that the average voting age will have something to d with it though.

PatrickvD wrote:The comedic aspects, such as the idiotic triplet brothers, were Brave's most annoying moments. The Mor'du backstory was about a billion times more fascinating than watching those little kids bounce on a woman's breast (gee how feminist). Mulan never once stooped to such levels of women-insulting stupidity, so that film will always have the edge over Brave in terms of a feminist portrayal of a 'princess'.

Brave was good, but I think Chapman's vision could have been great.

I don't know where you ever got that there was any anti feminism in that scene, seriously. It was supposed to be funny because it was inappropriate.

Well, anyway, I didn't mind the kids so much. The bare asses however were unfunny. I'm no prude;it just fell flat there.

Sotiris wrote:I thought this was funny.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vnt3uzml-5k" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Hahahahaha

ajmrowland wrote:

Sotiris wrote:I thought this was funny.

*There was a video here*

Hahahahaha

Maybe Mark Andrews isn't the annoying guy we're making him out to be. We don't know him after all.

At the Academy, Merida fell over in shock that her film won and landed flat on her face. lol
http://amymebberson.tumblr.com/post/442 ... log-please

^I love the fact that Merida's wearing the same dress Brenda wore to the Oscars. It's such a nice touch.

And I laughed out loud at the video. Mark Andrews went up a notch in my estimation.

pap64 wrote: So the changes for Brave are nothing new, just that the internet made it out to be much bigger and thus we now "know" more about it than it really is.

Not only that, but also the buzz about "Brave" being directed by a woman.

Mark Andrews wrote:Going up to get the Oscar was probably one of the scariest things I have ever done. I thought Wreck-It Ralph was going to win so when they said it was Brave I thought ‘Oh no!’.

Source: http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/film/ ... -1-2885742


You weren't the only one.

Sotiris wrote:

Mark Andrews wrote:Going up to get the Oscar was probably one of the scariest things I have ever done. I thought Wreck-It Ralph was going to win so when they said it was Brave I thought ‘Oh no!’.

You weren't the only one.

I'm glad to see he more or less acknowledged Brave didn't deserve to win over Ralph.

PatrickvD wrote:I'm glad to see he more or less acknowledged Brave didn't deserve to win over Ralph.

Not really. Just because he didn't expect it to win, doesn't mean he thinks it didn't deserve to win.

Sotiris wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:I'm glad to see he more or less acknowledged Brave didn't deserve to win over Ralph.

Not really. Just because he didn't expect it to win, doesn't mean he thinks it didn't deserve to win.

You're right. And he's probably too arrogant to admit Ralph was better.

Okay, I really need to knock it off with my anti-Mark Andrews crusade. But there's just something so smug about this guy. He's like the Bradley Cooper of animation. I just wanna punch him.

PatrickvD wrote:But there's just something so smug about this guy.

He really does give off that vibe. And the fact that he's lobbying to make Pixar produce their films cheaper and faster is really not helping his case.

Sotiris wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:But there's just something so smug about this guy.

He really does give off that vibe. And the fact that he's lobbying to make Pixar produce their films cheaper and faster is really not helping his case.

Right. I forgot about that. Definitely not helping.

I hope Lasseter doesn't give him a second go as director. He didn't earn it as far as I'm concerned.