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Sotiris wrote:

It won't even look like Paperman? Great.

Maybe it will look better.

All I'm hoping is that this movie is still using the same technique as Paperman. That's all we want, damn it!

My guess is that the costs involved in training people to learn the "paperman technique" are more than Disney is willing to put on the line, at least for now. Also take into account that it takes time to learn/teach this "new" medium. I for one prefer plain 2d overall. Maybe their just janking our chain and this supposed new feature is some sort of hybrid like kungfupanda.. Intro in 2d, feauture in 3d, that sort of thing. I don't see Disney taking any new risks after recent flops like MarsneedMoms,John Carter & Frankenweenie. It is really difficult to ponder what they will do. Any sign of creative consistency has left Disney long ago. And with it.. Faith, trust & pixiedust! I don't like bashing Disney, but at every turn I see more sequels, milked out storytelling and animation that is better suited for saturday morning cartoons. Make a feauture using DonDuck,MMouse for all I care. Make proper use of the properties you own! Less Hero feautures, more classic disney please!

qindarka wrote:

Sotiris wrote:

It won't even look like Paperman? Great.

Maybe it will look better.

Yeah, seeing as how we have no idea what this is yet, I'm going to not judge it. It could be anything. Steve's description was incredibly vague.

REINIER wrote:and animation that is better suited for saturday morning cartoons.

And what exactly are you referring to?

qindarka wrote:

REINIER wrote:and animation that is better suited for saturday morning cartoons.

And what exactly are you referring to?

In recent years, WTP and onwards there is a pattern of below par animation, by that I mean not making proper use of the 2D technique. We can argue about proper technique off course but by that I simply mean that disney is walking the path that's been traveled for for to long. Who needs a sixth WTP feature. Public stayed away from it as if it were the plague. Comparing the recent WTP animation to the original feauture is simply stating the obvious, less fluidity in terms of animation as well as storytelling. The sheer succes of Paperman can not only be found in it's chosen medium but also it's strong storywork. Wreck it Ralph, though enjoyable made use of existing characters like Sonic & Bowser, who in their right mind can find that Disney?!? That to me proves that we are walking further away from classic disney. Saturday morning storytelling, less innovative animation

Is this true?

This announcement does, however, shed some light onto some projects, like Disney’s next big princess movie following this winter’s “Frozen,” which at this point is being called “The Name Game” and is a bold reimagining of the Rumpelstiltskin fairy tale. Ron Clements and John Musker, who last directed the sorely underrated (and traditionally animated) “The Princess and the Frog,” are developing the project.

Source: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/ ... n-20130307

PatrickvD wrote:

qindarka wrote: Maybe it will look better.

Yeah, seeing as how we have no idea what this is yet, I'm going to not judge it. It could be anything. Steve's description was incredibly vague.

Right? I don't see any reason at all to find what Steve said negative. We already knew they weren't using the same software that Paperman used, but who knows what that means.

Mooky wrote:Is this true?

No. This has been debunked a long time ago.

Sotiris wrote:

Mooky wrote:Is this true?

No. This has been debunked a long time ago.

I wish it were true. Besides Hansel & Gretel or Little Red Riding Hood, Rumpelstilskin is the only fairy tale Disney has yet to adapt.

While I would love Disney to take on Rumpelstiltskin, I don't think I could stomach the purists who'd scream murder with every detail Disney will inevitably change.

And I know this sounds blasphemous, but I kind of want to see Disney move away from fairy tales for a while, following Frozen. I would like to see more projects akin to Lilo & Stitch or Wreck-It Ralph, i.e. original and creative ideas that still manage to capture the humour and heart the studio is known for, but without resorting to their familiar tropes.

By the way, have John Lasseter and Ed Catmull given any remark about Bob Iger's statements yesterday? I remember they were quick to debunk the "no more fairy tales" news story from a couple of years ago, so I was thinking they would also give further insight into what's happening in their department.

estefan wrote:And I know this sounds blasphemous, but I kind of want to see Disney move away from fairy tales for a while, following Frozen. I would like to see more projects akin to Lilo & Stitch or Wreck-It Ralph, i.e. original and creative ideas that still manage to capture the humour and heart the studio is known for, but without resorting to their familiar tropes.

By the way, have John Lasseter and Ed Catmull given any remark about Bob Iger's statements yesterday? I remember they were quick to debunk the "no more fairy tales" news story from a couple of years ago, so I was thinking they would also give further insight into what's happening in their department.

About that "no more fairy tales" story, was that before or after Tangled grossed $590 million?

DisneyEra wrote: About that "no more fairy tales" story, was that before or after Tangled grossed $590 million?

It was published before Tangled opened and Lasseter and Catmull also debunked it before the film's release.

Sotiris wrote:

Mooky wrote:Is this true?

No. This has been debunked a long time ago.

Too bad. Name Game is probably a step up from what Disney would actually choose to name it. Name sounds more up their alley.

estefan wrote:And I know this sounds blasphemous, but I kind of want to see Disney move away from fairy tales for a while, following Frozen.

I agree. I'd hate to see another well-known fairy tale get butchered like The Frog Prince, Rapunzel and The Snow Queen.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

estefan wrote:And I know this sounds blasphemous, but I kind of want to see Disney move away from fairy tales for a while, following Frozen.

I agree. I'd hate to see another well-known fairy tale get butchered like The Frog Prince, Rapunzel and The Snow Queen.

Or The Jungle Book, The Fox and the Hound, The Black Cauldron, Oliver and Company, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons.

I know most of these aren't fairy tales but it really shouldn't make a difference.

Umm, I happen to LIKE Disney's "butchered" adaptations, thank you very much!

Are you sure it's debunked? I think, it clearly states that they are doing Rumpelstiltskin.

This announcement does, however, shed some light onto some projects, like Disney’s next big princess movie following this winter’s “Frozen,” which at this point is being called “The Name Game” and is a bold reimagining of the Rumpelstiltskin fairy tale. Ron Clements and John Musker, who last directed the sorely underrated (and traditionally animated) “The Princess and the Frog,” are developing the project...With Iger’s proclamation yesterday, it’s safe to say that “The Name Game” will also be a 3D CGI affair.

DisneyJedi wrote:Umm, I happen to LIKE Disney's "butchered" adaptations, thank you very much!

It's fine. The only one I really have a problem with is Pocahontas for monkeying around with history, rather disrespectful to actual people and their still living descendants.

qindarka wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote: I agree. I'd hate to see another well-known fairy tale get butchered like The Frog Prince, Rapunzel and The Snow Queen.

Or The Jungle Book, The Fox and the Hound, The Black Cauldron, Oliver and Company, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons.

I know most of these aren't fairy tales but it really shouldn't make a difference.

There is a difference between changes for the better and changes for the worse (all the above three, as well as Pocahontas and Chicken Little fall in the second category, and possibly TJB, Hunchback, Hercules and Tarzan; TBC, despite being a failure, actually does pretty well considering it's attempting to include elements from several books in the series).