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TsWade2 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote: Well I think cartoonists on various TV shows do have some control over how their product comes out. For example, Butch Hartman doesn't have to draw his characters the way that he does, but that's how he chooses to draw them, and whether or not you want to say it's his style, his shows always leave you with the impression that he could have done a better job of designing his characters in a more appealing way.

For the record, I can guarantee that someone like John Kricfalusi would do a better job on new Mickey shorts than the guy who's actually doing them now, but how he would choose to portray Mickey is a different story.

And ruin Mickey Mouse and turn him into a ren and stimpy version? I don't trust that guy. His cartoons are gross. And I'm still mad at him on what he did to poor Yogi Bear. No disrespect 2Disney4Ever, but I rather let Paul Rudish do the job for new Mickey Mouse shorts.

I was only using John K. as an example of someone who I think is a better artist that would draw characters better than what Paul Rudish is doing to Mickey. But if there's one more modern day artist from Disney that I've always known to be the best at drawing Mickey Mouse, it would be Andreas Deja.

Not that he'd ever want to, but there are two reasons why John K. should NEVER be trusted with a Disney anything:

1) Disney was his frequent punching bag in his hypocritical reviews. An opinion is one thing, and fact is another; the time he spent declaring almost everything Disney ever did as "bland and generic" could've been better spent improving his own work.

2) He's TERRIBLE with cartoon revivals! He even ruined his own creation (Ren & Stimpy) after years of anticipation, which in turn, destroyed any chance of Spike TV entering the animation market.

In regards to the Mickey series:

-My initial point about the lack of control artists have on shows were more about shows run by scriptwriters. One example is the FOX animated sitcoms. The actual series' creators have some artistic background, but the writer-producers whom write each episode, and ultimately control the content of the series do not. Unless there's a story/sequence that lends itself to artistic liberation (The Simpsons' couch gags featuring guest animators, or Family Guy's "Multiverse" episode), the characters are very much locked into their ordinary appearances, no matter who is directing/storyboarding what episode.

-Paul Rudish is actually a talented artist, having worked on some of Cartoon Network's shows, specifically Dexter's Lab and the Powerpuff Girls. Given his background, I don't think his angular drawings are for lack of effort. I imagine with Butch Hartman, another one who started at Cartoon Network, that if he was ready for change, he would've left Nickelodeon a long time ago.

Semaj wrote:-Paul Rudish is actually a talented artist, having worked on some of Cartoon Network's shows, specifically Dexter's Lab and the Powerpuff Girls. Given his background, I don't think his angular drawings are for lack of effort. I imagine with Butch Hartman, another one who started at Cartoon Network, that if he was ready for change, he would've left Nickelodeon a long time ago.

All I can say is: it's the kind of 2D artists like Andreas Deja and John K. that really inspire me now. The only inspiration I get from Paul Rudish and his Mickey shorts is to not want to draw like him. And I fail to see the artistic skill of Dexter's Lab or Powerpuff Girls anymore, save for a few very early episodes of Dexter and their pilot cartoons.

Again, I would back off the "purity" act. It's fine if you're not a fan of Cartoon Network's shows, or even the new Mickey series, but you can't MAKE people agree with you about how cartoons "should" be.

TsWade2 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote: Well I think cartoonists on various TV shows do have some control over how their product comes out. For example, Butch Hartman doesn't have to draw his characters the way that he does, but that's how he chooses to draw them, and whether or not you want to say it's his style, his shows always leave you with the impression that he could have done a better job of designing his characters in a more appealing way.

For the record, I can guarantee that someone like John Kricfalusi would do a better job on new Mickey shorts than the guy who's actually doing them now, but how he would choose to portray Mickey is a different story.

And ruin Mickey Mouse and turn him into a ren and stimpy version? I don't trust that guy. His cartoons are gross. And I'm still mad at him on what he did to poor Yogi Bear. No disrespect 2Disney4Ever, but I rather let Paul Rudish do the job for new Mickey Mouse shorts.

I fully agree, Wade. 2Disney4Ever, you are still wrong and need to stop being wrong!

disneyphilip wrote:I fully agree, Wade. 2Disney4Ever, you are still wrong and need to stop being wrong!

Well, that's just your perspective of things. I've got my own.

Semaj wrote:Not that he'd ever want to, but there are two reasons why John K. should NEVER be trusted with a Disney anything:

1) Disney was his frequent punching bag in his hypocritical reviews. An opinion is one thing, and fact is another; the time he spent declaring almost everything Disney ever did as "bland and generic" could've been better spent improving his own work.

2) He's TERRIBLE with cartoon revivals! He even ruined his own creation (Ren & Stimpy) after years of anticipation, which in turn, destroyed any chance of Spike TV entering the animation market.

In regards to the Mickey series:

-My initial point about the lack of control artists have on shows were more about shows run by scriptwriters. One example is the FOX animated sitcoms. The actual series' creators have some artistic background, but the writer-producers whom write each episode, and ultimately control the content of the series do not. Unless there's a story/sequence that lends itself to artistic liberation (The Simpsons' couch gags featuring guest animators, or Family Guy's "Multiverse" episode), the characters are very much locked into their ordinary appearances, no matter who is directing/storyboarding what episode.

-Paul Rudish is actually a talented artist, having worked on some of Cartoon Network's shows, specifically Dexter's Lab and the Powerpuff Girls. Given his background, I don't think his angular drawings are for lack of effort. I imagine with Butch Hartman, another one who started at Cartoon Network, that if he was ready for change, he would've left Nickelodeon a long time ago.

I concur on all these points as well.

As much as I was a fan of Ren & Stimpy as a kid and thought it was a good show (the original Nickelodeon version, not Spike TV's horrible "Adult Party Cartoon" incarnation), I fully agree that John K. is a butt-head. He thinks that the only "good" cartoons in existence are the ones that were made either by him or Bob Clampett.

But no, I think John K will be too busy working on his artwork for Miley Cyrus to work on Mickey, so bullet dodged.

Avaitor wrote:But no, I think John K will be too busy working on his artwork for Miley Cyrus to work on Mickey, so bullet dodged.

Again, it was only an example. I wasn't really trying to imply that he would be the best choice. He's an artist that I admire for his drawing skill, but there are still certain things he believes that I don't agree with him on. Like all the negative stuff he's said about Disney? I never agreed with any of those things. There's still room for disagreement even with the artists you think are the best.

Apparently, tomorrow, they're going to debut another short called "The Boiler Room". So far, however, I've not heard anything about it, no announcements or previewed shots of the short in question or anything. Don't they usually do that with the cartoons before they come out?

Big Disney Fan wrote:Apparently, tomorrow, they're going to debut another short called "The Boiler Room". So far, however, I've not heard anything about it, no announcements or previewed shots of the short in question or anything. Don't they usually do that with the cartoons before they come out?

Not so.

The next new episode is actually "Down the Hatch", which will be premiering on June 20th.

disneyphilip wrote:

Big Disney Fan wrote:Apparently, tomorrow, they're going to debut another short called "The Boiler Room". So far, however, I've not heard anything about it, no announcements or previewed shots of the short in question or anything. Don't they usually do that with the cartoons before they come out?

Not so.

The next new episode is actually "Down the Hatch", which will be premiering on June 20th.

I hope someone else is in that one besides Minnie for a change.

Ludwig Von Drake will be appearing in "Down the Hatch", as seen in one of the clips in this commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKZ5YziCgCo

disneyphilip wrote:Ludwig Von Drake will be appearing in "Down the Hatch", as seen in one of the clips in this commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKZ5YziCgCo

WOO HOO!

TsWade2 wrote:

disneyphilip wrote:Ludwig Von Drake will be appearing in "Down the Hatch", as seen in one of the clips in this commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKZ5YziCgCo

WOO HOO!

I wonder if anyone else is going to be in there, too.

EDIT: As seen in the clips, Goofy is in that one.

I also heard that the next one after that (which will come sometime in July) will be called "Goofy's Grandma". By virtue of the title, Goofy is going to be appearing in that one, too.

Man! It sure seems as though they love Goofy almost as much as they do Mickey, doesn't it?

Big Disney Fan wrote:Man! It sure seems as though they love Goofy almost as much as they do Mickey, doesn't it?

Totally. He's appeared moreso than Donald up to this point.

Semaj wrote:

Big Disney Fan wrote:Man! It sure seems as though they love Goofy almost as much as they do Mickey, doesn't it?

Totally. He's appeared moreso than Donald up to this point.

Thus far, according to TVTropes.org, the other characters in the series (this only applies to the shorts up to "O Futebol Classico") have each appeared the following amounts of time in the series, from most appearances to least:

1. Minnie and Goofy (12 shorts each, so it's a tie)
2. Donald (six shorts)
3. Daisy (three shorts)
4. Pluto and Pete (one short each, another tie)

But with the next two shorts coming up, "Down the Hatch" and "Goofy's Grandma", it looks like Goofy will now be in first place for most appearances (a whopping 14 shorts!), while Minnie gets second place. And I even remember seeing Donald in the linked preview above, so he may or may not be in "Down the Hatch" (thus bringing his list of appearances up to seven shorts, which is still seven behind Goofy and five behind Minnie).

It's strange how little Donald has appeared in these shorts. I always thought he was the most popular member of the Gang...

Saw Down the Hatch on HD early today. And it was hilarious! Here's what's this short is about, Mickey and Goofy get trapped inside Donald's body after they accidentally get shrunken down to miniature size. And not only Professor Ludwig Von Drake is the special guest of this short, guess who's also made a cameo appearance in this short? I'll give you hint. He's from Ducktales, but it's not Scrooge.

TsWade2 wrote:Saw Down the Hatch on HD early today. And it was hilarious! Here's what's this short is about, Mickey and Goofy get trapped inside Donald's body after they accidentally get shrunken down to miniature size. And not only Professor Ludwig Von Drake is the special guest of this short, guess who's also made a cameo appearance in this short? I'll give you hint. He's from Ducktales, but it's not Scrooge.

And yet there's still no word on it from Disney.com! This is strange, because don't they usually have them up on both TV and online at the same time?