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jpanimation wrote:
It should be noted that this was one of my MAJOR pet peeves with Kingdom Hearts 2, in which many characters sounded nothing like their characters, and Jeff Bennett played Lumiere (among other characters) there too.

Well, they managed to get people who actually SOUNDED like the original voice actors in Birth By Sleep, such as Snow White's voice actress in the game. She sounded practically like Andrina Calselotti did, and the same going for Cubby.

Hello

I am new to this forum. I just watched the bluray and was wondering if it was normal to see almost a double image when the characters sometimes move. This was most evident when Belle moves during 'Belle' and also happened in 'Gaston'; his arm looked like it had some overlapping red or something. Is it just the animation or is something wrong with my bluray? It doesn't skip and the movie otherwise looks wonderful and almost too clear but that double image thing is kind of distracting. I haven't paused it yet to see if it's an actual double image though so I might try that later. Thanks!

tightlacedboots wrote:Lumiere is the one with the real charisma... I think they were thinking about him as a character, not who does the voice, when they decided to make him the host on the movie menu.

And that's true, but you have to take into account who helped give the character charisma in the first place. A great deal of who the character is comes from the performer, not just from him being described as "charming" or what have you.

SpringHeelJack wrote:I agree with all the comments about Lumiere's voice. I see the "logic" for making him the host, but I mean... Cogsworth IS the majordomo and David Ogden Stiers has the advantage of being, you know, not dead to voice the character he created, thus avoiding that awkward "bad Jerry Orbach impression" effect.

Since we're talking about David Ogden Stiers, why not just have him do his narrator voice and make the whole menu the stained glass?

Also, I hate the Blu-ray menu. We're back to the awkward CG backgrounds for hand-drawn films with equally awkward animated clip art on/in the CG backgrounds. It looks like a second generation animated DVD menu. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have that bad Jerry Orbach impersonation blaring in our ears.

DisneyJedi wrote:Well, they managed to get people who actually SOUNDED like the original voice actors in Birth By Sleep, such as Snow White's voice actress in the game. She sounded practically like Andrina Calselotti did, and the same going for Cubby.

Sorry, I haven't played that one yet and have no current plans to ever buy a Sony product. Hopefully what you say it true.

Also, I'm not a fan of the Blu-ray case. I like the slim cases but hate the ones that don't have the engraved Blu-ray logo. Not only do the engraved logos look more classy but the last Blu-ray I bought that didn't have the logo engraved (The Day the Earth Stood Still), the logo was taken right off when I peeled back the security sticker. Now it looks like I have some off-brand case or a bootleg.

Note: For those of you using a Panasonic Blu-ray player, go into your settings (you can do this while the movie is playing) and set your colors to -7. This will counterbalance most the color boosting and help you come closer to replicating the LaserDisc color timing (i.e. Belle's hair will be Brown, the dining room chairs will be brown, Gaston's tavern is brown, Gaston's jacket is no longer obnoxiously red, Cogswoth is less red, the flesh tones are more natural, etc.).

I thought everyone in Kingdom Hearts sounded JUST like or if not JUST ...pretty darn close to their original voice actors.

Don Hahn Talks Beauty and the Beast Going Blu
An opportunity to look back on the 1991 Disney classic and how it was prepped for Blu-ray
http://www.awn.com/articles/article/don ... -going-blu

Toonzone Interviews Paige O'Hara & Robby Benson on Being "Beauty & the Beast"
http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/3 ... -the-beast

sotiris2006 wrote:Don Hahn Talks Beauty and the Beast Going Blu
An opportunity to look back on the 1991 Disney classic and how it was prepped for Blu-ray
http://www.awn.com/articles/article/don ... -going-blu

Thanks, sotiris. I was glad that they talked about the transfer right in the beginning. Hahn's answers are particularly interesting, as it more or less admits that what was put on film in 1991 was not what they saw when making it in CAPS. (bold emphasis mine)

• Don Hahn: Back then you went through all these processes of digital intermediates and cobbling prints and by the time it gets to the theater it looks a little muddy and scratchy. I think what's fun about having it on Blu-ray is you get this pristine image that looks exactly as it looked when we were sitting at these CAPS monitors seeing the movie and making it. So we involved Kirk [Wise] and Gary [Trousdale] and as many of the original collaborators as we could to help get the movie ready for this release.
  
  BD: What sort of digital tweaking was involved?
  
  DH: We went through that whole process and part of it is going to the original digital files and bringing those back online and re-timing it all and remembering what the movie looked like. But it's great: It's devoid of any dust or scratches and then Terry Porter, who did the original sound mix, came back in and did a great sound clean-up and home theater mix for this release [in 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio].
  
  BD: What are we going to notice on Blu-ray in particular?
  
  DH: We color corrected the red tunic because it was intended to be this apple red and in the movie it came out rusty colored. So a lot of times we were able to go back to the original intent of the movie because you have to compromise when you go to film. It looks great on film, but this gives us the option to go back to the original color palette.

Does this put an end to the color debate, or will it simply add more fuel to the fire? I can see some camps saying "Well, it's from the horse's mouth, it must be true" whilst others are saying "That's what he's saying NOW but in ten years he'll say something else for the next release!".

Now where did I put my Milk Buds?

albert

By Bill Desowitz | Tuesday, October 5, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Posted In | Site Categories: Films, Home Entertainment

The Blu-ray captures the pristine quality for the first time, along with new 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio. Images courtesy of Disney.


Our good friend Don Hahn tells us all about the new Beauty and the Beast Blu-ray, which streets today from Walt Disney Home Ent., and confirms something about Tim Burton's upcoming stop-motion Frankenweenie.

Bill Desowitz: What were your impressions watching this on Blu-ray?

Don Hahn: Back then you went through all these processes of digital intermediates and cobbling prints and by the time it gets to the theater it looks a little muddy and scratchy. I think what's fun about having it on Blu-ray is you get this pristine image that looks exactly as it looked when we were sitting at these CAPS monitors seeing the movie and making it. So we involved Kirk [Wise] and Gary [Trousdale] and as many of the original collaborators as we could to help get the movie ready for this release.
BD: What sort of digital tweaking was involved?

DH: We went through that whole process and part of it is going to the original digital files and bringing those back online and re-timing it all and remembering what the movie looked like. But it's great: It's devoid of any dust or scratches and then Terry Porter, who did the original sound mix, came back in and did a great sound clean-up and home theater mix for this release [in 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio].

BD: What are we going to notice on Blu-ray in particular?

DH: We color corrected the red tunic because it was intended to be this apple red and in the movie it came out rusty colored. So a lot of times we were able to go back to the original intent of the movie because you have to compromise when you go to film. It looks great on film, but this gives us the option to go back to the original color palette.

There you have it from the source...so for all you color haters, perhaps they can do a re-release. Beauty and the Beast: Murky Dark Color Edition.

CampbellzSoup wrote:

By Bill Desowitz | Tuesday, October 5, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Posted In | Site Categories: Films, Home Entertainment

The Blu-ray captures the pristine quality for the first time, along with new 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio. Images courtesy of Disney.


Our good friend Don Hahn tells us all about the new Beauty and the Beast Blu-ray, which streets today from Walt Disney Home Ent., and confirms something about Tim Burton's upcoming stop-motion Frankenweenie.

Bill Desowitz: What were your impressions watching this on Blu-ray?

Don Hahn: Back then you went through all these processes of digital intermediates and cobbling prints and by the time it gets to the theater it looks a little muddy and scratchy. I think what's fun about having it on Blu-ray is you get this pristine image that looks exactly as it looked when we were sitting at these CAPS monitors seeing the movie and making it. So we involved Kirk [Wise] and Gary [Trousdale] and as many of the original collaborators as we could to help get the movie ready for this release.
BD: What sort of digital tweaking was involved?

DH: We went through that whole process and part of it is going to the original digital files and bringing those back online and re-timing it all and remembering what the movie looked like. But it's great: It's devoid of any dust or scratches and then Terry Porter, who did the original sound mix, came back in and did a great sound clean-up and home theater mix for this release [in 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio].

BD: What are we going to notice on Blu-ray in particular?

DH: We color corrected the red tunic because it was intended to be this apple red and in the movie it came out rusty colored. So a lot of times we were able to go back to the original intent of the movie because you have to compromise when you go to film. It looks great on film, but this gives us the option to go back to the original color palette.

There you have it from the source...so for all you color haters, perhaps they can do a re-release. Beauty and the Beast: Murky Dark Color Edition.

Or Beauty and the Beast: The Beast stepping into the light making sense Edition

I think we'll still have people argue that we should have the original film colors, since that's how it was originally released, that's how they remember it, that's how they prefer it, etc. I knew the colors were different from the original release, not that saying so would ever convince anyone since that was way back in 1991. No, I couldn't tell you the exact colors, but the overall impression and emotional impact it had on me was pretty strong at the time.

Personally, I'm glad the film makers have finally had a chance to release it the way they originally intended (now that Don Hahn has confirmed it), and it makes sense that they had issues way back then since CAPS was still relatively new, not to mention the time restraints they had to deal with. I work with colors a lot, and I know how frustrating it can be to compromise a vision due to limitations of whatever format you're working with.

Escapay wrote:

sotiris2006 wrote:Don Hahn Talks Beauty and the Beast Going Blu
An opportunity to look back on the 1991 Disney classic and how it was prepped for Blu-ray
http://www.awn.com/articles/article/don ... -going-blu

Thanks, sotiris. I was glad that they talked about the transfer right in the beginning. Hahn's answers are particularly interesting, as it more or less admits that what was put on film in 1991 was not what they saw when making it in CAPS. (bold emphasis mine)

• Don Hahn: Back then you went through all these processes of digital intermediates and cobbling prints and by the time it gets to the theater it looks a little muddy and scratchy. I think what's fun about having it on Blu-ray is you get this pristine image that looks exactly as it looked when we were sitting at these CAPS monitors seeing the movie and making it. So we involved Kirk [Wise] and Gary [Trousdale] and as many of the original collaborators as we could to help get the movie ready for this release.
  
  BD: What sort of digital tweaking was involved?
  
  DH: We went through that whole process and part of it is going to the original digital files and bringing those back online and re-timing it all and remembering what the movie looked like. But it's great: It's devoid of any dust or scratches and then Terry Porter, who did the original sound mix, came back in and did a great sound clean-up and home theater mix for this release [in 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio].
  
  BD: What are we going to notice on Blu-ray in particular?
  
  DH: We color corrected the red tunic because it was intended to be this apple red and in the movie it came out rusty colored. So a lot of times we were able to go back to the original intent of the movie because you have to compromise when you go to film. It looks great on film, but this gives us the option to go back to the original color palette.

Does this put an end to the color debate, or will it simply add more fuel to the fire? I can see some camps saying "Well, it's from the horse's mouth, it must be true" whilst others are saying "That's what he's saying NOW but in ten years he'll say something else for the next release!".

Now where did I put my Milk Buds?

albert

I think some will say that in ten years he'll say something else for the next release but the BatB creators aren't not pulling a Lucas. They are making look how they made it. Pure and simple.

Now what will be interesting is how the Lion King Diamond Edition will be treated. But that's a discussion for the Lion King thread.

CampbellzSoup wrote:I thought everyone in Kingdom Hearts sounded JUST like or if not JUST ...pretty darn close to their original voice actors.

Please don't make me do a comparison

Escapay wrote:BD: What sort of digital tweaking was involved?

DH: We went through that whole process and part of it is going to the original digital files and bringing those back online and re-timing it all and remembering what the movie looked like. But it's great: It's devoid of any dust or scratches and then Terry Porter, who did the original sound mix, came back in and did a great sound clean-up and home theater mix for this release [in 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio].

BD: What are we going to notice on Blu-ray in particular?

DH: We color corrected the red tunic because it was intended to be this obnoxious red and in the movie it came out rusty colored. So a lot of times we were able to go back to the original intent of the movie because you have to compromise when you go to film. It looks great on film, but this gives us the option to go back to the original color palette.

So Don Hann confirms that these aren't the colors we saw in theaters (nor are they what were in the original CAPS files).

Well, there you go. For those of you who insist that these are the original colors, and that it was only ever format deficiencies preventing us from seeing them, what part of going back to the original files and re-timing what was already there don't we understand? They changed what was in the original CAPS files, which should explain why The Princess and the Frog trailer featured different colors from the Diamond Edition. Both from the CAPS source but only one was altered. I actually feel this adds fuel to the debate, as it confirms that these aren't the original colors from the CAPS files but new ones made specifically for the Blu-ray. Nice to know it was director intent but hardly the original theatrical version (especially with the changed transition after "Something There").

Like I said before, if you watch this movie on a Panasonic Blu-ray player with the color setting to -7, it looks pretty good (enough I'm actually considering buying it). Still, Cogsworth is obnoxiously red in just a couple of scenes and there is no way around it (he's just THAT red). Everything else on this setting seems natural enough you shouldn't have a problem with it.

Give it up dude he even says at the end it loosk like the original color palette.

Well, newsflash to Don Hann, the movies looks better with the compromised colors

I saw a commercial last night while watching Survivor on CBS announcing that "it's official...Beauty and the Beast is the #1 Blu-ray in America!"

I thought that was pretty cool! Does anyone know if we'll be able to find out first week sales numbers like they have available for album releases?

@jpanimation: This is like releasing a CD remastered from the original master tapes or from a pristine first vinyl pressing of those master tapes. Going back to the original master tapes are always the better way to go. You're going right to the source itself. I don't know about you but I certainly think you're getting a better product if you're getting it right from the source itself. That's why it was such a big deal that the A Bug Life's DVD was "The World's First DVD Created Directly From the Digital Source."

Now what happened here is that since CAPS was relatively new at the time it created issues with the transfer. They even mention specific instances where their intended colors were compromised when transferring to film. Now are we supposed to consider the colors they used when creating the film in CAPS canon or the altered colors that were the result when transferring to film?

In all the times I played Kingdom Hearts 2, I NEVER knew that it was another actor playing Lumiere, let alone Jerry Orbach's death.

Now, Mushu's replacement on the other hand........

dollover wrote:Hello

I am new to this forum. I just watched the bluray and was wondering if it was normal to see almost a double image when the characters sometimes move. This was most evident when Belle moves during 'Belle' and also happened in 'Gaston'; his arm looked like it had some overlapping red or something. Is it just the animation or is something wrong with my bluray? It doesn't skip and the movie otherwise looks wonderful and almost too clear but that double image thing is kind of distracting. I haven't paused it yet to see if it's an actual double image though so I might try that later. Thanks!

a double image is not normal. Actually, I think it's likely you might be using a Standard-def connection, or having a problem with your TV. make sure the sharpness level is at 50/50 or 0.

Does this happen with any other movie, broadcast, or game?

and wecome to UD!

We seem to be getting a lot of new members lately.

Well Im glad they seem to put part of the debate to rest. the colors have been changed, they admit it. of course, their side of the debate is that the theatrical print, the VHS, even the laser disc for that matter wasn't proper transfer in the first place. it was a transfer of a transfer, one that wasn't very accurate in the first place.

What confuses me though is why they felt they needed new color timing. I understand that the film transfer might not have been what they intended. but why then would they need to adjust anyhting when going directly from the CAPS files? shouldn't all you need to do is transfer it to a digital source?

Changing the color timing sounds like something I would do if I was fighting with my printer's colors profiles. a lot of times things comes out too green, so within photoshop I sometimes crank up the magentas to compensate. this makes the image look crappy on my monitor, but decent when printed. but this isn't the proper way to do it, I know. Disney knows more about keeping their color profiles in sync than I do, and shouldn't need to change their original colors. just the way they are interpreted when outputting the digital files to one video.

Has there been any announcement on when this title will go back in the vault?