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OMG, I am so cracking up now! Thanks for the laugh, enigmawing!

avonleastories95 wrote:I am glad on of my favorite Disney movies is back! Of course, I won't be able to see it because my parents would probably think I am too "old" for this. I hope it is like Pooh's Grand Adventure and nothing at all like the Pooh's Clunker Heffalump movie. This was completely unnecessary.

You won't be allowed to go see it because your parents think you're too old? What? You can't just... go anyways? Unless you're 8 years old or something I guess...

avonleastories95 wrote:I am glad on of my favorite Disney movies is back! Of course, I won't be able to see it because my parents would probably think I am too "old" for this. I hope it is like Pooh's Grand Adventure and nothing at all like the Pooh's Clunker Heffalump movie. This was completely unnecessary.

I'm glad you brought this up, because --I know I have asked this before, but somehow I can't let it go-- why are people so excited over yet another Pooh movie? After The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Pooh's Grand Adventures, The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie, Pooh's Heffalump Movie and two tv shows (New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and My friends Tigger and Pooh)...

WHAT could possibly be added to these characters and their universe?! WHAT could possibly be interesting, new, original, surprising about this film?! WHY are people cheering on another installment of Disney's favorite cash-cow, when at the same time they're bashing the direct-to-dvd sequels?

HONESTLY, I don't understand.

Goliath wrote:

avonleastories95 wrote:I am glad on of my favorite Disney movies is back! Of course, I won't be able to see it because my parents would probably think I am too "old" for this. I hope it is like Pooh's Grand Adventure and nothing at all like the Pooh's Clunker Heffalump movie. This was completely unnecessary.

I'm glad you brought this up, because --I know I have asked this before, but somehow I can't let it go-- why are people so excited over yet another Pooh movie? After The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Pooh's Grand Adventures, The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie, Pooh's Heffalump Movie and two tv shows (New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and My friends Tigger and Pooh)...

WHAT could possibly be added to these characters and their universe?! WHAT could possibly be interesting, new, original, surprising about this film?! WHY are people cheering on another installment of Disney's favorite cash-cow, when at the same time they're bashing the direct-to-dvd sequels?

HONESTLY, I don't understand.

I definitely understand your point of view. However, I think that because this is the OFFICIAL sequel to "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" and is considered part of the WDAS canon, it's more special to people than those quick direct-to-video quality Pooh films. I think that part of the reason I am looking forward to it, is that the characters are timeless and are great the way they are, no gimmicks necessary. I don't think that there neccessarily needs to be anything new, original, or surprising about the film, because the only thing a film like this needs is heart. The story is almost secondary in a movie like this because the relationships between the characters has always been the draw. I hope this makes sense.

You left out the Welcome to Pooh Corner TV show with people dressed as characters and puppets used for some characters.

I'm always up for seeing more Heffalumps and Woozles. Lumpy is cute but I'd like see other Heffalumps and Woozles that don't want to be buddy-buddy with our heroes and just want to steal honey. Like the two Woozles Stan and Wooster and a Heffalump called Heff in The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Stan made me think of the leader of the Toon Patrol in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

MutantEnemy wrote:I definitely understand your point of view. However, I think that because this is the OFFICIAL sequel to "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" and is considered part of the WDAS canon, it's more special to people than those quick direct-to-video quality Pooh films.

So you're saying the added worth of the film lies in the 'label' that's being put onto it? Because it's part of a 'canon', it garners excitement, but had the exact same film been made by the direct-to-dvd department, it would have been dismissed? To each his own of course, and I'm not putting anybody down who really wants to see this movie, but I guess this is just one of the aspects of Disney fandom that I, personally, don't understand...

Goliath wrote:

avonleastories95 wrote:I am glad on of my favorite Disney movies is back! Of course, I won't be able to see it because my parents would probably think I am too "old" for this. I hope it is like Pooh's Grand Adventure and nothing at all like the Pooh's Clunker Heffalump movie. This was completely unnecessary.

I'm glad you brought this up, because --I know I have asked this before, but somehow I can't let it go-- why are people so excited over yet another Pooh movie? After The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Pooh's Grand Adventures, The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie, Pooh's Heffalump Movie and two TV shows (New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and My friends Tigger and Pooh)...

WHAT could possibly be added to these characters and their universe?! WHAT could possibly be interesting, new, original, surprising about this film?! WHY are people cheering on another installment of Disney's favorite cash-cow, when at the same time they're bashing the direct-to-dvd sequels?

HONESTLY, I don't understand.

Well, I'm not. I know a lot of people who aren't excited about another Pooh installment either.

It's not surprising that when the news broke out that Disney's next hand-drawn film would be a Pooh one, the majority of the animation fan community was very disappointed.

Goliath wrote:

MutantEnemy wrote:I definitely understand your point of view. However, I think that because this is the OFFICIAL sequel to "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" and is considered part of the WDAS canon, it's more special to people than those quick direct-to-video quality Pooh films.

So you're saying the added worth of the film lies in the 'label' that's being put onto it? Because it's part of a 'canon', it garners excitement, but had the exact same film been made by the direct-to-dvd department, it would have been dismissed? To each his own of course, and I'm not putting anybody down who really wants to see this movie, but I guess this is just one of the aspects of Disney fandom that I, personally, don't understand...

I think what Mutant Enemy means is that by having WDAS producing the new Pooh film instead of the DisneyToon Studios, the film will be of higher quality in terms of both animation and storytelling (or so we expect).

Goliath wrote:

MutantEnemy wrote:I definitely understand your point of view. However, I think that because this is the OFFICIAL sequel to "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" and is considered part of the WDAS canon, it's more special to people than those quick direct-to-video quality Pooh films.

So you're saying the added worth of the film lies in the 'label' that's being put onto it? Because it's part of a 'canon', it garners excitement, but had the exact same film been made by the direct-to-dvd department, it would have been dismissed? To each his own of course, and I'm not putting anybody down who really wants to see this movie, but I guess this is just one of the aspects of Disney fandom that I, personally, don't understand...

What I meant was that because a film is in the canon it is expected by people to be better in terms of story and the actual medium. I expect an official sequel to the original to be better than "Pooh's Heffalump Movie" at least, I want it to be.

I will see this movie....however the reality of Pooh and Friends being taken seriously as Mickey Mouse can be at times by all ages...I think that ship has sailed, Disney botched the Brand with marketing it Preschool only in the past decade and now the main age of people seeing this will probably be 7 years max accompanied by their Parents...Will the movie be good, It probably will...but I'm just afraid that most people will think of Pooh as a kiddie film or for kids only....I'm sure they will make their budget back and then some of $35 million but the reality of people I know who are not Hardcore Disney aficionados going to see this is not much...


my dad said he won't see it nor my girlfriend....who both like Beverly Hills Chihuahua and wants to buy the Sequel and hopes there are many more ala Air Buddies

And I try to tell people this isn't like Piglets Big movie or a new Eeyore's Gloomy Movie,Owls Family Quest or Roo finds his father Kangaroo Jack or Gopher's Miner Movie, Rabbit finds out he has ADHD and OCD of Crows attacking his garden Movie. nor Christopher Robin's Puberty Movie... or Tigger Movie Pooh Meet Tony he's Great

disneyboy20022 wrote:
my dad said he won't see it nor my girlfriend....who both like Beverly Hills Chihuahua and wants to buy the Sequel and hopes there are many more ala Air Buddies

This.... This just proves how stupid people really are. >: (

Goliath wrote:

MutantEnemy wrote:I definitely understand your point of view. However, I think that because this is the OFFICIAL sequel to "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" and is considered part of the WDAS canon, it's more special to people than those quick direct-to-video quality Pooh films.

So you're saying the added worth of the film lies in the 'label' that's being put onto it? Because it's part of a 'canon', it garners excitement, but had the exact same film been made by the direct-to-dvd department, it would have been dismissed? To each his own of course, and I'm not putting anybody down who really wants to see this movie, but I guess this is just one of the aspects of Disney fandom that I, personally, don't understand...

You don't understand because you aren't an avid animation fan. Like from an animation/art point of view. Being part of that 'canon' is not just a label... it means different people are involved. The people that work for the DVD department, or DisneyToon Studios, had a lot less creative freedom, talent, and skill when they made all those Winnie the Pooh spinoffs.

But with this new film, the best animators and some of the best story artists in the world are working on it. Which means it should be leagues ahead of all the other stuff. That on top of the fact that this is the first time that the story is being based on the original A.A. Milne books since the original is what is making people so excited for this release as opposed to all the other stuff.

SWillie! wrote: But with this new film, the best animators and some of the best story artists in the world are working on it. Which means it should be leagues ahead of all the other stuff. That on top of the fact that this is the first time that the story is being based on the original A.A. Milne books since the original is what is making people so excited for this release as opposed to all the other stuff.

Plus, John Lasseter. Nuff said. Really, his only duds are the crummy Tinker Bell features, but I don't think he is as involved with those as he is with Pixar and WDAS.

estefan wrote:

SWillie! wrote: But with this new film, the best animators and some of the best story artists in the world are working on it. Which means it should be leagues ahead of all the other stuff. That on top of the fact that this is the first time that the story is being based on the original A.A. Milne books since the original is what is making people so excited for this release as opposed to all the other stuff.

Plus, John Lasseter. Nuff said. Really, his only duds are the crummy Tinker Bell features, but I don't think he is as involved with those as he is with Pixar and WDAS.

I don't think the the Tinker Bell movies are all that bad... certainly better than all the sequels. I think JL's influence, while not as strong as at Pixar or Disney, like you said, is still visible at DisneyToon.

SWillie! wrote:You don't understand because you aren't an avid animation fan.

Okay, thanks for letting me know, because I didn't know that myself.

SWillie! wrote:Like from an animation/art point of view. Being part of that 'canon' is not just a label... it means different people are involved. The people that work for the DVD department, or DisneyToon Studios, had a lot less creative freedom, talent, and skill when they made all those Winnie the Pooh spinoffs. [...]

Oh, of course I know that. What do you think I am; a layman when it comes to Disney? I was just trying to point out that I thought it was strange that people are excited about yet another installment of Disney's cash-cow, just because it's better animated. It's still just another Pooh movie.

SWillie! wrote:That on top of the fact that this is the first time that the story is being based on the original A.A. Milne books since the original [...]

Yeah, so what you're saying is that it has been done before.

I'm not as excited for this as I'd like to be, mainly because I've never really been a big Pooh fan (it's one of the few DAC's I don't own). I haven't even given any of the sequels half a glance. I'm not sure if I'll catch this in the theater but I'll have my eyes on the reviews and will probably rent before taking any consideration to buy. However, I do think it's great they're going about this one the right way, and that it will supplement the original stories of the first feature.

By the way, one of my friends that used to work under the big hat hasn't even bothered waching The Tigger Movie, and he was one of the animators that worked on it!

Off-topic: @ enigmawing: your avatar and signature of Tiana are BEAU-TI-FUL! I'm sure you will post the original drawing in the Off-topic thread for all of us to enjoy, right?

Can this part be over already?

I’m not sure why “sequel” always has to = bad.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Can this part be over already?

I’m not sure why “sequel” always has to = bad.

I really don't think sequels are automatically bad, but the existing Pooh sequels have never come off to me as being particularly strong, both story and animation-wise. I do think this new one definitely has potential to be great and it may even prompt me to revisit the original; maybe I'll have more appreciation for the likes of it now.

Oh, and I'm a big Jim Cummings fan, so that definitely can't hurt.

Goliath wrote:Off-topic: @ enigmawing: your avatar and signature of Tiana are BEAU-TI-FUL! I'm sure you will post the original drawing in the Off-topic thread for all of us to enjoy, right?

Thanks! I'll post it up in the avatar thread soon.

Goliath wrote:I was just trying to point out that I thought it was strange that people are excited about yet another installment of Disney's cash-cow, just because it's better animated. It's still just another Pooh movie.

SWillie! wrote:That on top of the fact that this is the first time that the story is being based on the original A.A. Milne books since the original [...]

Yeah, so what you're saying is that it has been done before.

Let me address this in a list like I like to:

1)It isn't just better animated. It is also going to have better story and generally more effort and creativity and quality put into it. Please note all those things.

2)It's not just a cash-cow. What about Mickey and the gang, do you consider them just a cash-cow? These characters are a large part of the warm fuzzy feelings and memories that come from Disney, and they lend themselves to having many adventures instead of just one, it is how the characters were meant to be, as they first appeared in a total of 3 different featurettes that were all planned while Walt was alive (they didn't all come out when he was alive, but were all planned by him, so it is Walt intended). What if Scrooge McDuck and the other characters from Donald's world were in two feature films for Disney, would you think as badly of that?

3)We already have sequels like Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, which Walt intended. I am aware of the few differences between those sequels and these, which leads to the final point...

3) It is not a re-tread of the book. The first film did not cover all of the book. This film will cover the rest of the book and more complete Pooh's official original adventures and Walt's vision. So it is no doing what has been done before, but doing stories they haven't yet done, while at the same time finishing what they started.

Disney Duster wrote:

Goliath wrote:I was just trying to point out that I thought it was strange that people are excited about yet another installment of Disney's cash-cow, just because it's better animated. It's still just another Pooh movie.
Yeah, so what you're saying is that it has been done before.

Let me address this in a list like I like to:

1)It isn't just better animated. It is also going to have better story and generally more effort and creativity and quality put into it. Please note all those things.

2)It's not just a cash-cow. What about Mickey and the gang, do you consider them just a cash-cow? These characters are a large part of the warm fuzzy feelings and memories that come from Disney, and they lend themselves to having many adventures instead of just one, it is how the characters were meant to be, as they first appeared in a total of 3 different featurettes that were all planned while Walt was alive (they didn't all come out when he was alive, but were all planned by him, so it is Walt intended). What if Scrooge McDuck and the other characters from Donald's world were in two feature films for Disney, would you think as badly of that?

3)We already have sequels like Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, which Walt intended. I am aware of the few differences between those sequels and these, which leads to the final point...

3) It is not a re-tread of the book. The first film did not cover all of the book. This film will cover the rest of the book and more complete Pooh's official original adventures and Walt's vision. So it is no doing what has been done before, but doing stories they haven't yet done, while at the same time finishing what they started.

And of course these

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