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She's 15? I assumed at least 20 from the pictures I saw

Its pretty rare for any 15 or 16 year old to actually look their age in animation if you ask me. Its always little kid, or 20. nothing in between.

Coming from the most recent films, I think Miguel looks like a 13 year old, while Moana is clearly something around 16 years old. Raya looks... 20-ish? Luca and Alberto also look 13. It's just Mirabel that looks this way to me. But then again, I have the benefit of knowing these other characters for years and she's just a picture. Maybe the way she moves and talks will tone down her age for me

something I noticed while looking at all the high res poster and book covers. There are four characters dressed in the same yellow color. I assume they are one family unit(probably Mirabel's aunt/uncle and cousins.) The guy(yes I think he's a guy) in the poncho is the same one I mentioned in the book with the cutout figures with the shifty looking face. He looks older in the poster to me, maybe this movie will use flashbacks to when they where younger like Raya did. He's the shapeshifter in the trailer and I also think he's that character in the early cast description leaks that was supposed to be Mirabel's "enemy."

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ok I went back into the thread to search for those early descriptions:

Carlos is a 15-year old boy who is Mariana’s enemy. Like Mariana, he is hilariously funny and also a great singer. Has a habit of telling tall tales.

also this info was reveled in an article later on:

• American actor of Dominican descent Rhenzy Feliz plays Camilo. He's 23 years old, so he's probably too old to be voicing the Afro-Latino kid. I guess Antonio and Camilo are two separate characters after all.


so I think Carlos=Camilo. I think enemy might be an exaggeration, he probably bullies her the way older kid family members tend to do with the younger ones(or maybe he's just a brat.) And yeah, Antonio is probably his little brother, the kid with animals.

- I hope he can shapeshift into animals as well as other people...though I think thats unlikely b/c it would be redundant with Antonios power to befriend animals.

- He's cute

Disney's Divinity wrote:I thought the same thing in the previous picture that featured the character that I couldn't tell if it was supposed to be a woman or man.

The fact it's ambiguous indicates a clear failure in character design.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I wonder if, when they cut the love interest out altogether, if they took that character's role/ purpose and gave it to this character.

I was hoping that the character of Camilo voiced by Rhenzy Feliz which I believe hasn't been revealed yet would function as Mirabel's love interest, but the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion there's not going to be any romance in the film. At 15, Mirabel is younger than most Disney female leads. The last three who got a love interest, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Anna were 18 or older. Adding that to the fact Disney is moving away from romance as it's not considered progressive anymore, it's highly unlikely there's going to be any romance in the film aside from the married adults. At best, Isabela is going to have admirers, but I don't think she'll have a love interest either.

DisneyFan09 wrote:Isabela is definitively the best looking of the sisters. I like her design, despite that it's still not as good as previous Disney heroine designs.

I agree, but I'm not exactly sure why that is. I think it's the shape of her head. It's too round and her cheeks are too puffy. Maybe it's also the shape of her mouth/lips. I can't quite put my finger on it. She definitely looks better in the poster than she does in the trailer.

DisneyFan09 wrote:Pardon my shallow statement, but why couldn't Mirabel look like her?

They wanted to make the protagonist the wallflower of the family and for that element to be accentuated she needed a relative who is conventionally pretty and feminine. I do think, however, they went a little overboard with how feminine they made Isabela by giving her flower powers, pink as her signature color, and an interest in fashion. If you think about it, Mirabel is the moderate version of her two sisters. Isabela is too feminine, Luisa is too masculine, but Mirabel is "just right". Even her complexion reflects that. Isabela is dark-skinned, Luisa is light-skinned and Mirabel is a shade between the two.

rodrigo_ca wrote:Coming from the most recent films, I think Miguel looks like a 13 year old, while Moana is clearly something around 16 years old. Raya looks... 20-ish? Luca and Alberto also look 13. It's just Mirabel that looks this way to me. But then again, I have the benefit of knowing these other characters for years and she's just a picture. Maybe the way she moves and talks will tone down her age for me.

I've seen other people as well comment she looks much older than she is. Some have even said she looks like she's in her 30s. I think it's the design and her whole look that is making her appear older. The length of her hair, her outfit, the glasses, even the type of earrings she's wearing are aging her up. People have compared her to a kooky school teacher who buys clothes at thrift stores and to Mayim Bialik. I've also seen people compare her to Betty from the telenovela Yo Soy Betty, La Fea upon which the series Ugly Betty was based.

Fan art by animators who worked on the film.


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New book cover from Russia plus its synopsis and the synopsis of another Russian book about the film. I've used a couple of online translators for the synopses, but the translation is still not very good.



Source: https://eksmo.ru/book/enkanto-istoriya- ... TD1199495/

Encanto is a magical land of wonders, where people live to match it - the Madrigal family, where everyone has a magical gift. The family has three sisters: the beautiful Isabela, who makes the most beautiful flowers in the world grow, the mighty Luisa, who can move mountains, and Mirabel... whose only abilities are her easygoing nature and her kind heart. The sisters' greatest ambition in life is to be useful to their family and make them proud. But sometimes magic isn't just about usefulness. Sometimes, in order to save the magic, you need to be the most ordinary, and sometimes you need to stop being the strongest and most perfect in the world. But how to listen to the dictates of your heart, if your family expects something completely different from you, and the magic of your native land dissipates right before your eyes?

The animated film Encanto is one of Disney's most anticipated new releases of 2021! And you have a unique opportunity to find out what this amazing cartoon is about long before the film is released. The book "Encanto. Land of Wonders" describes all the events of the film from the perspective of the three main characters, the Madrigal sisters. Everyone in this family is gifted with a unique ability, from controlling the weather to healing food. Everyone except Mirabel, who, for some unknown reason, was left without a gift. But when a threat looms over the magic of the Encanto, Mirabel seems to be the only one who can figure out what's wrong, and more importantly, how to save their magic and the land of wonders. The book is decorated with bright colors, which, like the amazing cover, will help you fully immerse yourself in the atmosphere of a magical story from Disney's masters of wonder.

Source: https://eksmo.ru/book/enkanto-istoriya- ... TD1199495/

The Madrigal family is the most incredible family in the world! They live in a land full of wonders - Encanto, hidden among the picturesque mountains of Colombia. Each member of the Madrigal family has a special gift from incredible physical strength to controlling the weather, and thanks to them, the Encanto thrives. No, wait, not everyone. There is also Mirabel, a sweet girl who has... no gift! And she would so like to be useful, to make her family proud. But when danger looms over Encanto and the magic of the place, it turns out that Mirabel is the only one who can save everything. Or the other way around, ruin it for good.

Meet the story based on the much-anticipated new Disney film, Encanto! In this book, you'll learn the story of Mirabel and her family, in which everyone (except Mirabel herself) has some kind of magical gift. And when a terrible threat looms over the magic of the family and the wonderful land they live in, Encanto, Mirabel is the only one with the power to save her home and family. This is a story about the most precious thing in the world--family, but not only about that. Encanto will also remind everyone how important it is, no matter what, not to forget who you are and to believe in yourself. In the book, you'll find a retelling of a story that hasn't even been released yet, with all the details! And there's also a color sticker with the animated characters! Find out all about Encanto before anyone else does!

Source: https://eksmo.ru/book/enkanto-ITD1199494/


By the way, thanks for the high-res version of the poster, breakdown of characters, international titles and all the other updates, Sotiris! I haven't had time to comment lately, but I'll try to reply to some of the things you and others have posted because I think there are many interesting things to discuss.

D82 wrote:But when danger looms over Encanto and the magic of the place, it turns out that Mirabel is the only one who can save everything. Or the other way around, ruin it for good.

This part is interesting. I wonder if it means that Mirabel will be tempted to let magic die, so everyone can become ordinary like her.

D82 wrote:I haven't had time to comment lately, but I'll try to reply to some of the things you and others have posted because I think there are many interesting things to discuss.

I'm looking forward to it! You've been missed!

Sotiris wrote:

D82 wrote:But when danger looms over Encanto and the magic of the place, it turns out that Mirabel is the only one who can save everything. Or the other way around, ruin it for good.

This part is interesting. I wonder if it means that Mirabel will be tempted to let magic die, so everyone can become ordinary like her.

I thought it meant that that could happen if she isn't successful and can't save the Encanto, but what you say could be interesting.

Sotiris wrote:You've been missed!

I miss you guys too every time there's a period of time I can't be active here.

D82 wrote:
Source: https://eksmo.ru/book/enkanto-istoriya- ... TD1199495/

These ornate hand-drawn images remind me so much of Claire Keane (I think it was her?)'s stuff for Tangled.

Sotiris wrote: The fact it's ambiguous indicates a clear failure in character design.

Oh, I don't know. Sometimes there are women who seem mannish and men who are feminine. I'll have to wait to say in this case.

I agree it's unlikely there's any romance in this. A shame, because the earlier relationship is one of the few things about this that interested--especially the "frenemy" aspect they were supposed to have at first. I think you hit the bull's-eye on Mirabel being intended as a sort of Goldilocks "just right" medium between her other sisters.

Sotiris wrote:I've seen other people as well comment she looks much older than she is. Some have even said she looks like she's in her 30s. I think it's the design and her whole look that is making her appear older. The length of her hair, her outfit, the glasses, even the type of earrings she's wearing are aging her up. People have compared her to a kooky school teacher who buys clothes at thrift stores and to Mayim Bialik.

This is so true.

From the book description D82 posted:

But when danger looms over Encanto and the magic of the place, it turns out that Mirabel is the only one who can save everything. Or the other way around, ruin it for good.

With the way the Encanto is describe as some kind of sentient being almost, I wonder if perhaps at some point Mirabel is given a choice by the Encanto to make magic go away altogether (the temptation to make everyone like her, so she's no longer "ordinary" among everyone else) and Mirabel accepts both herself and the others for being more "special" than she is. EDIT: Oh, drat, I should've scrolled down, Sotiris already had the same idea. EDIT x2: Since that could be a key part of the film if true, I thought maybe I should spoiler it just in case it turns out to be what does happen.

Disney's Divinity wrote:These ornate hand-drawn images remind me so much of Claire Keane (I think it was her?)'s stuff for Tangled.

It reminds me of Claire Keane's work for Tangled too. I think the drawings on that book cover are probably inspired by Mirabel's embroideries in the movie. Personally, I don't have any problem with Mirabel being an embroidery enthusiast, but I wish her art didn't look so much like Rapunzel's paintings. I guess she's the one who did the embroideries on her dress, and like Rapunzel, she seems to like drawing herself as well as animals and plants. Well, at least, unlike her, she also uses words. Her name, the word "yo" (me) next to a self-portrait and "Los Madrigal" (The Madrigals) are embroidered on her outfit.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I agree it's unlikely there's any romance in this. A shame, because the earlier relationship is one of the few things about this that interested--especially the "frenemy" aspect they were supposed to have at first.

Actually, that was just speculation on our part. A romance was never confirmed.

Regarding Mirabel looking older than her age, I think that's true, but she's not the only female Disney protagonist that looks older than she is. And there are people in real life who look older than they are too, so it's not like it's something not believable and they made a mistake. They just chose to portray one of these people. Also, I think the acting could help making her look younger in the actual film.

Now, I'm going to reply to some of the older comments as I promised. I'll start with the ones about Camilo and next time I'll continue with another topic.

Sotiris wrote:Mirabel's cousin? uncle? aunt?


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Sotiris wrote:Is Camilo the shapeshifter or a different character? Even though the shapeshifter is wearing pants, that character looks female to me. I think Camilo might be a different character and potentially Mirabel's love interest.

I also thought that character was a woman at first, and that it was probably Mirabel's aunt. But I now agree with unprincess that it's most likely Mirabel's cousin, Camilo. It's true, though, that he has a bit of an androgynous look. That, coupled with the fact that in that early character description it said he "isn't entirely comfortable being himself" made me think at first that he could be an LGTB character or a non-binary one, for example, but I guess that's very unlikely since this is a WDAS film. Most likely it's the hair and slim build what makes him look a bit like a woman.

I believe he's Camilo for the following reasons:

- I noticed that the kind of poncho the character has is worn by two different boys in the teaser trailer. Female characters seem to wear a different kind of poncho, so I think it has to be a male character.

- I believe the voice actors announced so far correspond to the members of the Madrigal family introduced in the teaser trailer and poster. 11 family members have been revealed and just 10 voice actors, though. However, since none of these actors is a kid I suspect they just didn't reveal who voices Antonio yet because it's probably an unknown young actor. Rhenzy Feliz said he's playing Camilo, so if what I said is true, one of the characters has to be him and that one is the most likely candidate.

- Rhenzy Feliz is Afro-Latino, so he's most likely voicing an Afro-Latino character. If this was Mirabel's cousin, he would be part Afro-Latino too. The curly hair and wide nose seem to indicate he is.

Sotiris wrote:Antonio and his sister.


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I think that's actually Camilo. The fact that that photo is in Antonio's room along with a picture of his parents could also indicate he's his brother.

unprincess wrote:something I noticed while looking at all the high res poster and book covers. There are four characters dressed in the same yellow color. I assume they are one family unit(probably Mirabel's aunt/uncle and cousins.)

Good eye! That's very interesting. I think it can't just be a coincidence. That could be another clue that he's Camilo.

unprincess wrote:also check out that one smug kid with grey eyeshadow(?!) in yellow... I think he's the shapeshifter in the trailer...hmmm, he looks...sneaky.

It's true, it's a bit suspicious. I don't think he'll be a villain, though, since he's a member of the family, but I could see him doing some reckless action out of envy or something like that, which could be what puts the Encanto in danger.

unprincess wrote:I think enemy might be an exaggeration, he probably bullies her the way older kid family members tend to do with the younger ones(or maybe he's just a brat.)

I think so too.

I'm convinced that the shapeshifter is Camilo now. The poncho, the color yellow, the photograph, the voice actor, the hair texture, all indicate he's Mirabel's cousin. He's probably the middle child going by the photograph of when they were younger. I don't think he's going to be the villain. I don't think there will be a villain at all, frankly. He'll probably be a little mischievous, cocky, and self-centered. I can see him being the one who inadvertently caused the threat either out of recklessness or self-interest. I wonder if he'll be the one going with Mirabel on the quest to save magic. I used to think it would be one or both of her sisters, but maybe it will just be her and Camilo.

Sotiris wrote:Fan art by one of the animators who worked on the film.


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Feels strange to call something fanart if its by someone directly involved in a films production. The fans are the ones on the outside.

If it's not production art, it's fan art. It doesn't matter if it's created by people who worked on the film or not. That's my definition, at least.

Continuing on the tangent in my last post--what if Mirabel isn't just given the choice to take magic away in the climax? What if Mirabel's dissatisfaction and sadness at feeling "lesser" than the rest of her family is unintentionally on her part what causes the whole conflict? I mean, the Encanto is apparently a part of their daily life and can predict everything they do to the point it can time Mirabel's flip-flops right in step with her as she gets out of bed. Perhaps the whole story is set in motion because the Encanto can sense how she feels and responds to her emotions to give her what she wants (she is the same as everyone else). Sort of a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario where instead of her *getting* powers, everyone else's powers are taken away in.

That's a really interesting theory. I'm not sure if Disney has enough guts to give their female protagonist complicated and uncomfortable feelings like resentment or envy and then force her to confront them head on, but if they do go with that route, it will certainly be a fresh take to the traditional hero's journey archetype.

So far this movie looks and sounds criminally boring. I’m getting Meet The Robinsons vibes from this whole thing.

The problem is WDAS horrendous marketing, which has been a staple of the Revival Era "Post Raya, I believe this will be the Pandemic/Streaming era." After a month of leaks, WDAS finally drops the 1st trailer for Encanto in mid July. I knew then, there would be nothing else revealed til at least September. We got to wait a another whole month for trailer 2? Other than some book covers, there's been nothing else. And what about Searcher Clade? We gotta wait til July 2022 for the first trailer for that

I just hope the 2nd trailer REALLY connects, cause if they drop the ball with that one, this could be a disaster.

With all the elements of Magic and a fun tropical environments everything so far is leaving me feeling quite... blah! The character and animal designs seem very bland and generic and the desire for realism in the backgrounds just doesn't do it for me, compared to the imaginative worlds, backgrounds and layouts of the animated classics of the second renaissance! I'd love to see a more heightened reality, More detail and realism isn't always better... but that might just be me!

Curious to see if they can turn this around but this project is leaving me feeling kind of indifferent or maybe even cold...

The full clipart of Mirabel and Antonio that appeared on this book cover can be seen on the back cover of a Russian book about the film:


Source: https://eksmo.ru/book/enkanto-ITD1199494/


Here are also a couple more book synopses, the first also from the back of that Russian book and the second from a Spanish one:

Mirabel lives with her family in an amazing place full of wonders, Encanto. And her family is not an easy one. Each member of her family possesses an amazing gift. Everyone... except Mirabel. But one day, the magic of the Encanto begins to weaken. And now only Mirabel can help her family and bring back the magic. But how to do it, if you are the most ordinary one?

Source: https://eksmo.ru/book/enkanto-ITD1199494/

Encanto is the name of the magical house in which the Madrigal family lives, in the mountains of Colombia. When it is known that the magic of the place is in danger, Mirabel, the only one of the family who has no power, will be responsible for recovering it.

Source: https://www.agapea.com/libros/Encanto-L ... 9249-i.htm

Sotiris wrote:Is Encanto the name of the village or the name of the house? And if it's the name of the village or the area, how come only the Madrigal family has any powers? Why were they the ones chosen out of the entire population there?

According to that second synopsis I posted, it seems it's the house, but in some other places it sounds like it's the whole area, so I'm not completely sure that synopsis is right. As for why the Madrigals are the only ones with powers, I hope it's explained in the movie.

Sotiris wrote:He's probably the middle child going by the photograph of when they were younger.

I think you're right. Middle children sometimes feel ignored by their parents, so if he's a bit problematic, maybe that could be the reason. Or maybe not, we'll see.

Sotiris wrote:I wonder if he'll be the one going with Mirabel on the quest to save magic. I used to think it would be one or both of her sisters, but maybe it will just be her and Camilo.

I thought it could be Mirabel's sisters as well since the three are featured together in a lot of merchandise, but maybe you're right it's Camilo who goes with her. It would be an interesting pairing. Lin-Manuel Miranda said in an interview that this film won't be like others in which the protagonist goes on a quest and the rest of characters then disappear, but that doesn't necessarily mean a couple of them won't go on a quest together. Perhaps the other family members will just have their own subplot and will continue appearing throughout the movie.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Continuing on the tangent in my last post--what if Mirabel isn't just given the choice to take magic away in the climax? What if Mirabel's dissatisfaction and sadness at feeling "lesser" than the rest of her family is unintentionally on her part what causes the whole conflict? I mean, the Encanto is apparently a part of their daily life and can predict everything they do to the point it can time Mirabel's flip-flops right in step with her as she gets out of bed. Perhaps the whole story is set in motion because the Encanto can sense how she feels and responds to her emotions to give her what she wants (she is the same as everyone else). Sort of a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario where instead of her *getting* powers, everyone else's powers are taken away in.

That's a very interesting theory. If it turns out to be true, maybe that's why Mirabel is the only one who can fix the problem.

DisneyEra wrote:The problem is WDAS horrendous marketing, which has been a staple of the Revival Era "Post Raya, I believe this will be the Pandemic/Streaming era." After a month of leaks, WDAS finally drops the 1st trailer for Encanto in mid July. I knew then, there would be nothing else revealed til at least September. We got to wait a another whole month for trailer 2? Other than some book covers, there's been nothing else. And what about Searcher Clade? We gotta wait til July 2022 for the first trailer for that

We fans may not like their marketing strategy, but it works really well for them with the general public, so I don't think they'll change it.