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And it also makes the animation more consistent.

And it could be a case of as the series went on, less money would go into them as they were already an established series, thus the animation would get worse etc….

Absolutely. This is the best option here.

Atlantica wrote:I did remember though that they were to be cancelled before, but got a reprieve due to good home release sales for 'The Lost Treasure'.

Actually, it was because of the low sales of Lost Treasure that the series was to be cancelled back then.

We were going to do eight or ten Tinkerbell features, but studio chief Richard Ross has cut the number of features back. The second Tink feature didn't do as well as the studio thought it would. I mean, it did well, but not up to the company's expectations.

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That decision was overturned because of the high performance of Great Fairy Rescue. I predict history will repeat itself with the success of The Pirate Fairy and the series will be saved. I've noticed there's a pattern here. Odd, isn't it?

Tinker Bell (high sales)
Lost Treasure (low sales)
Great Fairy Rescue (high sales)
Secret of the Wings (low sales)
The Pirate Fairy (high sales...so far)

Atlantica wrote:They have achieved and created a lot of beauty with Tink being CGI … I'm not sure they could have done as much with 2D? I am in no way discrediting 2D animation, I just think it works better as CGI series. Much as Tangled works being CGI with all her hair, over what could be achieved with 2D animation.

I don't see how it works better as a CG series. I'm not saying it looks bad now but I believe hand-drawn animation would be the most natural choice. After all, Tinker Bell was a 2D-animated character. Not to mention that hand-drawn animation works better with humans and organic environments like Pixie Hollow than CG animation. With Tangled, the hair was an element that CG arguably does better, but I can't find an element in this series that takes advantage of the strengths of CG animation.

Old Fish Tale wrote:And it also makes the animation more consistent.

If the first Tinker Bell was animated in 2D and became the success that it did, DisneyToon Studios Australia probably wouldn't have closed as they would continue producing more Fairies films. Even if the studio was still to be closed, Disney could outsource the animation to Toon City studios in the Philippines which produced the animation for Kronk's New Groove, Fox & the Hound II, Ariel's Beginning among others. It wouldn't cost more than what they're paying now to animate the series in India.

Atlantica wrote:And it could be a case of as the series went on, less money would go into them as they were already an established series, thus the animation would get worse etc….

But if the animation quality hasn't decreased now that it's CG-animated, why would it decrease if it were 2D-animated?

Old Fish Tale wrote:This is the best option here.

It doesn't have to do with what is "best". It has to do with the fact that 2D animation is no longer considered profitable. Tinker Bell was converted into CG because management believed that the series would be more commercial this way.

Disney Belgium has added baby croc onto the poster in both the French and Dutch version. No other country has done that. Are they even allowed to tamper with the posters this way? The baby croc looks so out of place.


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The flight sequences, the depth of Pixie Hollow, the Pixie Dust Tree …. to me, that all work better in CGI. I know the look can be achieved in 2D, but I personally think it looks better as it is.

As Disney DTV has a history of it; the quality sinks as it goes on. Tink has surprised me in the fact that it hasnt dipped in quality; sure people prefer some of the movies over others, but I case can't be made for the production values trailing off.

But JL made the condition that it could only be made in CG if Tink worked as a CG character; there were massive amounts of tests that she went through to see if she appealed and worked as a CG character. And it can't be that she was more commercial in a CG form as I still regularly see merchandise with her as a line drawing, seemingly taken from her book series.

I feel that you are annoyed with our viewpoints here Sotiris, I didn't mean to offend you; just this is my opinion on the series.

Strangely enough, I also thought 'Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure' had been more successful than 'Tinker Bell'. Thanks for correcting us.

Sotiris wrote:If the first Tinker Bell was animated in 2D and became the success that it did, DisneyToon Studios Australia probably wouldn't have closed as they would continue producing more Fairies films. Even if the studio was still to be closed, Disney could outsource the animation to Toon City studios in the Philippines which produced the animation for Kronk's New Groove, Fox & the Hound II, Ariel's Beginning among others. It wouldn't cost more than what they're paying now to animate the series in India.

Of those films, I've only seen 'The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning' and its animation wasn't consistently good.

Sotiris wrote:But if the animation quality hasn't decreased now that it's CG-animated, why would it decrease if it were 2D-animated?

I haven't seen everything produced by the DisneyToon Studios, but is there a series (other than this one) with matched quality of animation from film to film? I don't think so.

Sotiris wrote:The baby croc looks so out of place.

A little.

Full version of "Who I Am"? Click here. I'm quite in love with it.

By the way, what do you think about the songs in the first films? I just adore them all. There was also one in the albums, "A Greater Treasure Than a Friend", that was so beautiful. I'm sad it didn't make into 'Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure'.

'Tinker Bell':

"To the Fairies They Draw Near": Loreena McKennitt.
"To the Fairies They Draw Near (Reprise)": Loreena McKennitt.
"Fly to Your Heart": Selena Gomez.


'Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure':

"If You Believe": Lisa Kelly.
"Fairy Tale Theatre": Grey DeLisle and Julie Garnye.
"If You Believe (Reprise)": Lisa Kelly.
"Gift of a Friend": Demi Lovato.
"Where the Sunbeams Play": Meav Ni Mhaolchatha.


'Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue':

"Summer's Just Begun": Cara Dillon.
"How to Believe": Holly Brook.
"Summer's Just Begun (Reprise)": Cara Dillon.
"How to Believe": Bridget Mendler.
"Come Flying with Me": Cara Dillon.


'Tinker Bell and the Pixie Hollow Games':

"Dig Down Deeper": Zendaya.


'Tinker Bell and the Secret of the Wings':

"We'll Be There": Sydney Sierota.
"The Great Divide": McClain Sisters.
"The Great Divide (Reprise)": McClain Sisters.

Atlantica wrote:I feel that you are annoyed with our viewpoints here Sotiris, I didn't mean to offend you; just this is my opinion on the series.

I'm not annoyed at all. I enjoy a well-mannered discussion and of course I respect your opinions. I apologize if my posts came off as a bit antagonistic. It's not intentional. Sometimes that happens when writing online.

Tom Hiddleton's song in the movie has been leaked. He has one heck of a singing voice.

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That was a nice little song. Thanks for posting.

I do indeed really love the music to the films; I must confess I was upset initially when they changed the style of song for the Tink movies from the folky inspired music to the more pop type songs. By they've now grown on me too! I've always had 'The Great Divide' on my Disney playlist since it was released, I love it!

Haha aww I'm glad Sotiris, guess it's harder with the written word when you can't hear the tone of the other person.

I'm off to the film this afternoon so I'll post my thoughts ASAP!

I can't wait to read it!

Right people ! I've just come back from seeing 'The Pirate Fairy' in a packed Sunday afternoon cinema showing.

I absolutely loved the film! It's almost a completely different beast from the previous outings; the adventure of 'The Lost Treasure' was a definite template for Peggy Holmes and co for this movie. As I said, it was very different from other Tink films, but you still get the humour and the friendship themes that are running throughout the series. So thankfully the director has moved the characters on, but still maintained who they are at the core, and the Tink universe. It hasn't become a case of BIGGER IS BETTER; the adventure was just on a grander scale than before.

There are spoilers ahead, so please be aware. I don't want to strike out everything, so don't read my post if you wish to remain unspoiled.

* The Disney Fairies intro has now been removed and replaced by the Disney Toon Studios logo, with a few bars of the Tink theme in the background.

* Big surprise for me was the beginning. The nods towards Peter arriving are getting bigger; it started out in London, and zoomed over city streets to the second star to the right, whilst playing a piece of score from Peter Pan ! Was really surprised to hear that ! It was a mixture of 'You Can Fly! You Can Fly! You Can Fly' and 'Following The Leader'. For reference, sounded very similar to the musical arrangement for the very beginning of 'Return To Neverland'.

* All the fairies personalities are there, and all of them are being developed. They are shown as a unit again after feeling very separate in SOTW; they all have their own time to shine and the comedy of their talents switching is a genuinely funny watch. Tink is by no means the main character in this film, I think in a way the screen time is evenly split (for the first time) between them all. Maybe even Tink has slightly less than the others to do! Again, as I've said, it was nice for the friendship group to shine rather than any individual over the other.

* Zarina is an interesting character. Basically Tink if she was a dust fairy really. She had a nice character arc as well, hopefully we will see her again in the next story.

* All characters were seen in this film; not all had speaking roles, but they were all there which was excellent! Everyone from the winter woods (Queen Clarion is 100% having the smooches officially now )

* James was an excellent hommage to Captain Hook; voiced beautifully and portrayed wonderfully on screen as well. The whole thing with him holding a hook for the climax of the film is just perfect. And we get to see just why the croc is so obsessed by defeating him! I can say if you would like me to, or can be kept a secret.

All in all … I think if the charm, wit and marvellous enjoyment that this film brings can't save the Tinker Bell franchise, I don't know what can. It is a wonderful addition to the canon and a brilliant next stepping stone in the world of Pixie Hollow.

Happy to answer any questions relating to the film!

You've made me smile, dear. I'd like to know a few things, please.

Do we get to see Mermaid Lagoon and the Indian Camp? When Tick-Tock broke out of his egg, was he at Crocodile Creek? How did you feel about Skull Rock's new look? It was a bit unfaithful to 'Peter Pan', right?

Do we even get to see Fairy Mary, Clank, Bobble, Terence and the Ministers of Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter? They weren't in the trailer, clips or stills...

How many songs were in the film? Did you like them? I'm so glad about the score in the beginning.

I know this is big, but did the pirates manage to leave Never Land? It's the only way Captain Hook will look older when we see him again, right?

Did Mr. Smee talk? Is Jeff Bennett voicing him too?

How did the end credits look? They usually change a lot from film to film.

How would you rank these films now you've seen 'Tinker Bell and the Pirate Fairy'?

Were there plot holes?

Did Periwinkle talked?

Here goes, will try and answer as best I can for you ! Again, spoilers ahead !

Do we get to see Mermaid Lagoon and the Indian Camp? When Tick-Tock broke out of his egg, was he at Crocodile Creek? How did you feel about Skull Rock's new look? It was a bit unfaithful to 'Peter Pan', right?

We don't get to see Mermaid Lagoon (possibly from a distance) but nothing noteworthy, along with the Indian Camp, nothing of that either. I couldn't tell you if he was at Crocodile Creek as I don't know what that is! Just was a beach that they dropped into after their talents were swapped. Skull Rock wasn't that different in all honesty; maybe it had some tweaking here and there but on the whole, it was much of a muchness with the original Peter Pan. Though there is something inside that is extremely interesting, and it will be fascinating to see if they keep it for the next film!

Do we even get to see Fairy Mary, Clank, Bobble, Terence and the Ministers of Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter? They weren't in the trailer, clips or stills…

Fairy Mary, Clank, Bobble, Terence, Lord Milori, Perriwinkle are all featured. The Seasons Festival (I think that's what it's called?) is very brief, and that is where they are all featured. As I said before, it was nice to see them all there; not particularly doing much, but it's nice just to see them still be around and not forgotten about.

How many songs were in the film? Did you like them? I'm so glad about the score in the beginning.

I think there is only the one song throughout, in various reprises. Much more score featured than before I think; oh and of course there is the Pirates song as well. I know, it was such a pleasant surprise to hear it at the beginning!

I know this is big, but did the pirates manage to leave Never Land? It's the only way Captain Hook will look older when we see him again, right?

They do not manage to leave.

Did Mr. Smee talk? Is Jeff Bennett voicing him too?

He is in a very brief middle of credits scene, and he speaks! Just as he normally sounds, voiced by Jeff.

How did the end credits look? They usually change a lot from film to film.

They were very pretty, scrolls of parchment this time instead of the snow. And, the Tink title in the beginning was the scroll featured on the poster, instead of the pixie dust exploding over the 'Tinker Bell'.

How would you rank these films now you've seen 'Tinker Bell and the Pirate Fairy'?

Hmm now that is a toughie! It features all the girls which I love, and the charm is there ten fold, along with some laugh out loud moments. I would't say it is my favourite….it would take the runner up honour though. I can happily say it is my second favourite film in the Tink franchise. It could creep up to first through viewing again on blu, but for now it takes the silver.

Were there plot holes?

Haha, probably vast amounts of them, but it wasn't something I was looking out for, so I didn't really register any. Though how many festivals of the season / Pixie Hollow Games etc can they have ?! Seems to be a new event each episode, never once mentioned before!

Did Periwinkle talked?

She didn't I'm afraid, she gasped a few times and was mentioned by name and seen, but didn't speak.

Thanks for answering, Atlantica.

Well, I believe a creek is like a bay.

In 'Peter Pan', the tide was rising, so I guess Skull Rock was bigger than it looked. I shouldn't have said it wasn't faithful... I just couldn't imagine the Jolly Roger inside it until I realized that...

I'm surprised. How will Captain Hook age? Did Mr. Smee look younger too?

Which one was your favourite film again: 'Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure' or 'Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue'?

Anyway, I can't wait to see it too!

Oh sorry, I know what a creek is, just didn't know that Crocodile Creek was a place ? Is it mentioned in Peter Pan ?

Smee did indeed look younger, without any facial hair I think. I have no clue how they will age; they'll find a way to go eventually then come back? But then, if they do go, why bother coming back? Hmmm, that could be one of the aforementioned plot holes possibly …

Well, I did think it was 'The Great Fairy Rescue' but for re-watching value, I think it must be 'Secret of the Wings'; I've seen that / go to watch it again the most out of all the films so far. I know it wasn't your favourite Old Fish Tale, so maybe you won't like 'The Pirate Fairy' as much as I …

Yes, it was mentioned in 'Peter Pan', dear. Click here to see that scene (04:30). But I'm afraid I was wrong before: a creek can mean a bay or a stream smaller than a river. Thanks for making me rewatch it.

I actually thought 'Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure' and 'Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue' were equally amazing films, but I'd say the latter is my favourite too. I adored Lizzy and it was Vidia's finest hour.