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Sotiris wrote:We know from the D23 Expo that she (Ariel) appears in her human form. If they wanted the princesses in their most iconic look they would have kept her a mermaid but having her be a human and Rapunzel a blonde is inconsistent. They should either have Rapunzel as a brunette and Ariel as a human or Ariel as a mermaid and Rapunzel as a blonde.

That's the real irony of their presentation, but I remember a previous IMDb user actually laying this issue out, how the fairy tale characters who gets a transformation or a change (Ariel, Beast and Rapunzel) usually gets their former appearance represented, due to how that's their most popular form. But this is certainly a headscratcher in Rapunzel's case, due to that she gets a more prominent change than Ariel. Her hair gets cut and she becomes a brunette, yet she's mostly presented with her long, golden hair (the same issue applied to Mulan, due to how she was marketed with her long hair in consumers product, also on those where she appeared with Shang). At least Ariel is marketed both as a human and a mermaid, without by having changing her radically (the only exception is that she has legs).

disneyprincess11 wrote:Groan. Y’all can’t be pleased with anything, can you?

Not in this era of constant scrutinizing and nitpicking Sorry, but I couldn't resist. Welcome to the Internet, that's how this world works today; Just complains.

Raf wrote:Tiana looked better at Sofia the First.

Agreed. In fact, most of them looked better at Sofia the First.

Sotiris wrote:Upon closer inspection the princesses look even worse than I initially thought.

Oh my, indeed they do! Though their closeups are not in HD, they still looked even worse than expected. Especially the Revival ones, Cinderella and Belle. The only exception being Aurora, but probably because of her profile being from a different angle. Jasmine looks more tanned and seems almost Indian than Arabic.

JeanGreyForever wrote:Pocahontas looks unrecognizable. She has such a brilliant design in her film and this is nothing like that whatsoever.

If this board had the like button, you would've gotten one from me. And I agree with your comment. But I think her distinctive design is a challenge to really duplicate on various forms or even draw. Even Mark Hehn complained about the challenge to animate with her design.

disneyprincess11 wrote:Groan. Y’all can’t be pleased with anything, can you?

Well, reaction on Twitter has been positive. Grace Randolph loves it, Scott M from Forbes said that this scene alone could add $100 million extra to the film's box office. And this is ALL Disney cares about at the end of the day. They couldn't care less about what they're hard-core fans think or the integrity of these characters , as long as they're bringing in big $dollars$, that's all that matters

A new trailer will come soon: https://twitter.com/Disney_UK/status/10 ... 4683431936

The stills released today in slightly higher resolution:

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Sotiris wrote:KnowsMore's design is reminiscent of J. Audubon Woodlore (the park ranger in the Humphrey the Bear shorts).

It's true! I knew it reminded me of someone. So this is the character Alan Tudyk voices in the film, I think we can rule out now a King Candy return then. The idea that he's a search engine that finishes people’s sentences like an autofill function is quite original, though it sounds like his scene could be a bit reminiscent to the sloth scene in Zootopia. Regarding Yesss, I don't dislike her design, but I don't love it either.

The princesses look all horrible in my opinion. I was a bit disappointed at first, but then I realised that:

1) They had to be adapted to the style of the film.

2) They're more representations of the merchandise line version of the princesses than to the real movie characters (that's why Cinderella's dress is blue and Aurora's one pink. And the fact that Ariel is in her human form and Rapunzel has long hair also makes sense then, because it's how they usually appear in the Disney Princess line).

3) The scene is a parody of the princesses, so it's understandable that their look also reflects that by making them more caricaturized and focusing on the comical aspects and not on their beauty.

With that said, I think they could have done a better job with them. However, I don't mind how they look too much because they will only appear in one short scene and because, as I said, I think their appearance fits with the tone of said scene.

DisneyEra wrote:

disneyprincess11 wrote:Groan. Y’all can’t be pleased with anything, can you?

Well, reaction on Twitter has been positive. Grace Randolph loves it, Scott M from Forbes said that this scene alone could add $100 million extra to the film's box office. And this is ALL Disney cares about at the end of the day. They couldn't care less about what they're hard-core fans think or the integrity of these characters , as long as they're bringing in big $dollars$, that's all that matters

Obviously. This whole movie feels like a full length commercial - Disney Princesses, Marvel, Star Wars + product placements like ebay and Youtube.
Wreck-it Ralph is the movie which grossed the least among the six CGI films of the Revival, so if anyone wondered why this is getting a sequel while Tangled and Big Hero 6 are only getting a tv series, this is the reason.

DisneyEra wrote:Well, reaction on Twitter has been positive. Grace Randolph loves it, Scott M from Forbes said that this scene alone could add $100 million extra to the film's box office. And this is ALL Disney cares about at the end of the day. They couldn't care less about what they're hard-core fans think or the integrity of these characters , as long as they're bringing in big $dollars$, that's all that matters

If I were making money off of it, I'd probably claim to like it, too. Here's to selling your soul, everybody.

D82 wrote:However, I don't mind how they look too much because they will only appear in one short scene and because, as I said, I think their appearance fits with the tone of said scene.

That's true. The scene sounds like an oversimplification of the characters anyway. I suppose it doesn't matter because Disney regularly releases merchandise that presents the characters differently than they were, and I'll probably only see this the one time anyway.

Integrity of the characters? Give me a break. If they were the main cast of the movie you would have a point, but this is a collection of glorified cameos. Just enjoy it. Have a laugh if its funny. As for the look of the characters, it looks more appealing than I imagined they might. The slight chibiness works. They had to adapt the style a bit to fit into this videogame universe. If it still counts as one...
I will say though Pocahontas' face doesn't look right to me. And Rapunzel's hair (near her ear in particular) seems off model to me.

The movie will probably suck though. The theme of the movie just doesn't sit well with me.

D82 wrote:They had to be adapted to the style of the film.

Did they? I keep hearing this argument online but it doesn't make sense to me. The whole conceit of the movie is that Ralph and Vanellope are exposed to different worlds on the Internet. What better way to highlight that by maintaining the visual differences between these worlds and these characters. Besides, the visual language of Wreck-It Ralph and the Disney Princess films in not that different to begin with. Put Sgt. Calhoun in a dress and she can easily be mistaken for a Disney princess. The added stylization of the princesses is completely unnecessary.

D82 wrote:They're more representations of the merchandise line version of the princesses than to the real movie characters (that's why Cinderella's dress is blue and Aurora's one pink).

After the creation of the DP line, Cinderella has (almost) always been depicted in a blue dress and Aurora in a pink one (Sofia the First, House of Mouse, Enchanted Tales, etc.). It doesn't matter if they're supposed to be the merch version of the princesses or the real deal. By the way, we don't know if in the movie they're being the franchise version of themselves or the movie version. Disney never made this distinction. The characters featured in the line-up have always supposed to be the same as their movie counterparts (even if that's not actually true). It seems to me this distinction was made up by fans to make sense of this scene. If they are supposed to be the brand version here why aren't they depicted in their merchandise redesign?

D82 wrote:The scene is a parody of the princesses, so it's understandable that their look also reflects that by making them more caricaturized and focusing on the comical aspects and not on their beauty.

The princesses have used humor and made jokes, sarcastic comments etc. in their respective movies. They don't need to have their designs changed to pull that off.

D82 wrote:2) They're more representations of the merchandise line version of the princesses than to the real movie characters (that's why Cinderella's dress is blue and Aurora's one pink. And the fact that Ariel is in her human form and Rapunzel has long hair also makes sense then, because it's how they usually appear in the Disney Princess line).

This. Exactly this. That's why Snow White looks nothing like her original self, why Moana's lost a few pounds and why Elsa's hair exploded.
It would've been much easier to use the original 3D models, but I don't think they were allowed to. The way I see it, one of the rules they had to abide by in order to use the princesses together, would be that they weren't 'the real characters', a la Disney Infinity. 'They're toy versions of the characters come to life' vs 'they're the vapid Disney Princess versions of the characters.'
Only thing I can't explain is why Cinderella doesn't have her redesigned look. If they're supposed to represent the DP line as-is, that would make it all the more clear.
Edit: although she does have ears...

Also, didn't Pocahontas have boobs in her film? What happpened there?

Kyle wrote:Integrity of the characters? Give me a break. If they were the main cast of the movie you would have a point, but this is a collection of glorified cameos.

Fans who care about these characters want to see them depicted consistently and authentically in official materials regardless of the medium used or the length. This is the first time WDAS has animated (most of) the princesses outside of their respective movies. New animation from the studio that created these characters holds more significance and validity than something made by DTVA or DisneyToon and it's less easy to ignore.

Kyle wrote:The movie will probably suck though. The theme of the movie just doesn't sit well with me.

While I was never a big fan of the original, it was a decent, solid movie with interesting, ambitious themes. But the sequel seems very calculated, uninspired, and gimmicky to me. It even betrays the conceit of the first one; it's supposed to be about video games, not the Internet. It's one thing to explore the world of online gaming but what they ended up doing is something completely different.

They look like Bratz. I'm not surprised people like Grace Randolph love it, you could juggle keys in front of. her face and she'd get excited about that, too.

(typing my responses as I read through the new posts...)

Sotiris wrote:I'm most disappointed by the look of the princesses. They're more stylized and off-model than I expected. They just don't look like themselves. Perhaps the change of medium contributes to that.

It might be because they are the Oh My Disney-website's version of the princesses (if they visited Wikipedia or Nintendo's website, or any other website, they'd probably look different in this movie).

Sotiris wrote: We know from the D23 Expo that she appears in her human form. If they wanted the princesses in their most iconic look they would have kept her a mermaid but having her be a human and Rapunzel a blonde is inconsistent. They should either have Rapunzel as a brunette and Ariel as a human or Ariel as a mermaid and Rapunzel as a blonde.

But on quizzes like "Which Disney princess are you?!," they use any clipart or still or gif from the films (on Oh My Disney or any website). I just don't think it's the princesses from the actual films (the real-life princesses, if you will). Months ago, I think someone brought up this theory.

D82 wrote:They're more representations of the merchandise line version of the princesses than to the real movie characters (that's why Cinderella's dress is blue and Aurora's one pink. And the fact that Ariel is in her human form and Rapunzel has long hair also makes sense then, because it's how they usually appear in the Disney Princess line).

Disney's Divinity wrote:Disney regularly releases merchandise that presents the characters differently than they were

Nandor wrote:they weren't 'the real characters', a la Disney Infinity.

Exactly!

I'm not impressed at all by how they look, but I think my emotions about it are clouded anyway, as I really don't know what to think about them appearing all together anyway. I should be excited, but just feel confused

I would much rather them all have a TV series or shorts or something ... or even a ride in one of the parks ? That could be cool.

I am too of the opinion they looked nicer in the Sofia TV series.

I've seen the D23 footage and was impressed with how the hand-drawn princesses were transferred to computer animation. I find with character designs, it's best to wait to see them in motion before judging them. I also thought the scene was very funny.

As for why Ariel isn't a mermaid, I imagine it was more for logistical reasons. Unless you really want her sitting in a fish tank for the entire scene.

estefan wrote:I've seen the D23 footage and was impressed with how the hand-drawn princesses were transferred to computer animation. I find with character designs, it's best to wait to see them in motion before judging them. I also thought the scene was very funny.

Just hope the scene will be in the trailer, because the movie won't be available for some time. For some annoying reason, animated Disney features, and Pixar movies, is released several months later in parts of the world than in America. I wonder why, since Marvel movies is released more or less on the same date all over the world (Avengers: Infinity War was released a little later in Russia and China, but no more than a couple of weeks or so).

Sorry for disappearing. I was traveling and I wasn't trying to avoid you guys And I'm sorry if my reaction was a bit much. I was exhausted & grumpy at that moment and I just feel disappointed (and honestly bitter) that I'm like the only one looking forward to the movie and is excited about everything that's happening in it. The Princesses are special to me and the scene means a lot. I also don't care if any of you guys don't like it. I'm just disappointed by the number of people. And like Kyle said, the whole thing is a joke, so people shouldn't it (at least that) seriously, even though the scene does have flaws.

Anyway....
1) Adding more to the princess scene:

1) The princesses looked much better in Sofia, but the new look here is also wonderful as well. Looking up close in the HQ, Pocahontas does look unrecognizable and Rapunzel looks like she's ten. But if it makes everybody feel a bit better, Mark Henn supervised the princess scene.

Rich Moore @_rich_moore
We’re so fortunate to have on our team master animator Mark Henn, who originally brought many of these characters to life. Great teacher that he is, Mark shared his deep insight into what makes these characters appealing and timeless. Thank you Mark!

https://twitter.com/_rich_moore/status/ ... 9315134464

Ariel, Mulan, an Merida are in the scene, but not in that shot.

2) Yesss looks stunning, but like Sotiris said, DANG! She's a twig. And people think the weights of the princesses are unrealistic. I wish they made her curvy and so forth.

3) People got so caught up with Yesss & the girls, I think we forgot about Alan Tudyk's character. (I don't know how to post images)

Also along for the ride is KnowsMore, a know-it-all search engine voiced by Tudyk. He’s been in every Disney animated film since playing King Candy in 2012's original Ralph and “became our good-luck charm of sorts,” says director Rich Moore, adding that KnowsMore is “a little Truman Capote, a little Droopy dog from the old MGM cartoons and a little Mr. Peabody.”

KnowsMore’s Autofill function, which finds him finishing people’s sentences, does get on Ralph’s nerves, Johnston says. “Vanellope’s been in the Internet all of one minute and she immediately gets it. And Ralph takes it personally as an affront to him.”

4)

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:Just hope the scene will be in the trailer, because the movie won't be available for some time

Yes, Rumpel. Everything posted on USAToday will be in the trailer.

Cinderella's face looks like an older Vanellope. They probably used the same model.

The only things I don’t like about it are...

1) Elsa, Anna and Rapunzel look a bit different from their canon designs in their native films. I mean, you’d think they could’ve just ported the models from their films over to here, unless they were going for a slightly more toony look.

2) They got Cinderella’s dress and hair colors wrong, again.

3) Why is Aurora in pink? I get that’s what she’s always worn in marketing, but it’s to the point where I’m (along with maybe others) sick of seeing her dressed in that color as opposed to the blue one. To quote Merryweather, “I wanted it blue!”

Get Aurora off the couch. Like she is really gonna fall asleep after that forced nap which is a stale joke now.

disneyprincess11 wrote:Sorry for disappearing. I was traveling and I wasn't trying to avoid you guys And I'm sorry if my reaction was a bit much. I was exhausted & grumpy at that moment and I just feel disappointed (and honestly bitter) that I'm like the only one looking forward to the movie and is excited about everything that's happening in it. The Princesses are special to me and the scene means a lot. I also don't care if any of you guys don't like it. I'm just disappointed by the number of people. And like Kyle said, the whole thing is a joke, so people shouldn't it (at least that) seriously, even though the scene does have flaws.

No, you are not the only one looking forward to the movie. I liked the first Wreck-It Ralph better than most other computer animated movies from Disney. My favorite post-80s Disney features are movies like Aladdin, Lilo & Stitch, Big Hero 6 and Wreck-It Ralph (I'm sure there is a pattern in there somewhere).

The problem with the written word is that it doesn't give away as much information as a real life conversation would do regarding facial expressions and tone in the voice (for instance my comment about Belle readng a book for a reference to her interests, not some sort of complaint).

Anyway, regarding the design; the square headed people reminds me about the Disney short Inner Workings (a short I actually find a little disgusting in a way since I have never liked seeing intestines and hearts and such in movies, even in animated form).

KnowsMore makes me think of the teacher characters in Disney's educated shorts, like the owl in Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom (just wish Dollhouse wasn't the first thing I saw Alan Tudyk in, because I will always associate him with his character Alpha from that show).

Sotiris wrote:

D82 wrote:They had to be adapted to the style of the film.

Did they? I keep hearing this argument online but it doesn't make sense to me. The whole conceit of the movie is that Ralph and Vanellope are exposed to different worlds on the Internet. What better way to highlight that by maintaining the visual differences between these worlds and these characters. Besides, the visual language of Wreck-It Ralph and the Disney Princess films in not that different to begin with. Put Sgt. Calhoun in a dress and she can easily be mistaken for a Disney princess. The added stylization of the princesses is completely unnecessary.

Well, actually they didn't need to adapt their style for the movie, but I understand why they did it. It's true that they could've maintained their original looks, at least for the CGI princesses (which is what I thought they were going to do), and it could've worked. And you're right that the visual style of Wreck-It Ralph is not so different from theirs. It's also true that the worlds they visited in the first film had their own visual styles. But those worlds had a consistent look, and in this scene they had the problem that each princess had a (slightly) different style, plus some were in hand-drawn animation, so I understand they wanted to create a unified look. That doesn't mean I like the result. As I said, they could've done it much better.

Sotiris wrote:After the creation of the DP line, Cinderella has (almost) always been depicted in a blue dress and Aurora in a pink one (Sofia the First, House of Mouse, Enchanted Tales, etc.). It doesn't matter if they're supposed to be the merch version of the princesses or the real deal. By the way, we don't know if in the movie they're being the franchise version of themselves or the movie version. Disney never made this distinction. The characters featured in the line-up have always supposed to be the same as their movie counterparts (even if that's not actually true). It seems to me this distinction was made up by fans to make sense of this scene. If they are supposed to be the brand version here why aren't they depicted in their merchandise redesign?

Yeah, Disney probably will never tell us which version of the princesses they are using here. I think they chose the version that most people would recognize, and that unfortunately is the DP version. Even people who haven't seen a Disney film have seen ads or products from the franchise. The merchandise redesign is perhaps too recent and people are not so familiar with it. Also, I think it's a bit of a mix between both the franchise and the movie versions, though more of the former. By the way, I personally despise the Disney Princess line. I know it makes Disney earn a lot of money, but in my opinion, it has made more damage than good to the company. Though, of course, I respect the people who like it.

Sotiris wrote:The princesses have used humor and made jokes, sarcastic comments etc. in their respective movies. They don't need to have their designs changed to pull that off.

Yes, but in their respective movies they're not doing that all the time like in this scene. Anyway, I think they've probably chosen to caricaturize them to distance themselves a bit from the real characters, so that it would be easier for fans to accept them doing things that the real characters wouldn't do.