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Super Aurora wrote:

nomad2010 wrote:Didn't we hear that Kristoff has a beard?

He had gotten the beard his manliness would sky rocket so hard everyone's balls would explode from the sheer manliness. Yes even girl's balls will explode.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

jazzflower92 wrote:You are right because most of the Disney Princesses actually have black hair.Yeah contrary to those people on the internet the most popular princess hair is actually black.

Except two of the black-haired characters are inconsistently--rarely--featured, and most of them usually interchange one "ethnic" spot. Rapunzel, Cinderella, Aurora, and very likely Anna will be featured all the time at the front. They can't even change it up by giving them different eye colors or facial features.

Who cares about the marketing? Whats important is the characters themselves as they appear in the movies.

On another note, Kristoff's design reminds me somewhat of Eugene's previous incarnation, Bastian. Wonder if they decided to utilize unused designs.

Also keep in mind that this was one of the first pieces of concept art we saw from Brave. It stayed pretty true to life.. I think everyone should get comfortable with these designs.

qindarka wrote:I may be talking out of my ass here but I believe I saw somewhere that that piece of concept art was 'director approved'. That and the timing of it seems to indicate that they will be representative of the in-movie images. Of course, there will still be slight differences in appearance.

You're right. I think so too. The 'director approved' bit was from the website 'Bleeding Cool' if I recall correctly.

disneyprincess11 wrote:I just have a feeling that it'll be a rehash of Flynn again with "Grrr...I don't want to go, but I have to."

Well, Kristoff's expression suggests that but it could also be about his rocky relationship with Anna (which is still similar to Tangled). In the interview with EW Jennifer Lee said: "From the Kristoff angle, we were trying to get at what it’s like to be a guy, trying to understand women".

Super Aurora wrote:Every Disney princess is a cookie cutter if you want go by that shitty logic.

No, they are not. While some heroines look alike, they are plenty that look very different in design. e.g. Pocohontas, Esmeralda, Kida, Mulan, Tiana, Megara, Nani, Belle, Jasmine, Jane etc.

Super Aurora wrote:Why? Is there some rule that every Disney male lead has to be a pretty boy?

I'm not saying that they had to make him a 'pretty boy'. They could have made him more masculine-looking for instance. I simply find his design in that concept art unappealing.

qindarka wrote:On another note, Kristoff's design reminds me somewhat of Eugene's previous incarnation, Bastion.

I find Bastion's design much more appealing than Krstoff's.

BTW: It's OBIVOUS that they designed Anna after Kristen Bell. I mean, look at this:

disneyprincess11 wrote:BTW: It's OBIVOUS that they designed Anna after Kristen Bell. I mean, look at this:

And the Disney tradition of designing the character after their actors lives on.

Is that a bad thing?

SWillie! wrote:Is that a bad thing?

Nope not all.

If I remember they did that sorta of thing back in Walt Disney's day.I think it works in this case because sometimes the actor goes hand in hand with the character.

Is it a good thing? I'm neutral towards it, but of course it would be more interesting if they based the character on what the voice sounds like and what they want the character to be, rather than the voice actor's face.

Sotiris wrote:

qindarka wrote:On another note, Kristoff's design reminds me somewhat of Eugene's previous incarnation, Bastion.

I find Bastion's design much more appealing than Krstoff's.

This, completely. While I can see some vague similarities in the face, the earlier incarnations of Flynn were much more appealing than this design.

qindarka wrote:Whats important is the characters themselves as they appear in the movies.

Which also applies to what I said. Is it too much to expect two different female characters to have different eyes and facial features? We already knew that the body itself would not change, now they aren't even bothering with the basics. I find it lazy, and, yes, I do dislike it from a marketing standpoint even more (and since this is Disney, king of over-marketing, it is relevant so being dismissive about it is pointless). I would imagine the repetitive design would probably have been Adolf Hitler's wet dream.

Sotiris wrote:Me too. But I don't think that's a good thing. Kay is a sidekick/villain. His design is not suitable for male lead material.

I didn't think of it like that, fair point though. I do like the designs, perhaps they'll change over the next year anyway but neither is too far away from what I had envisaged they might look like.

Disney's Divinity wrote: I would imagine the repetitive design would probably have been Adolf Hitler's wet dream.

Seriously,? Did you have to bring Hitler in for no reason?

(Edited for harsh language)

I know this isn't exactly Godwin's Law and you aren't directly comparing anyone to Hitler. Yet you are clearly invoking his name to make the other side look ridiculous.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Which also applies to what I said. Is it too much to expect two different female characters to have different eyes and facial features? We already knew that the body itself would not change, now they aren't even bothering with the basics. I find it lazy, and, yes, I do dislike it from a marketing standpoint even more (and since this is Disney, king of over-marketing, it is relevant so being dismissive about it is pointless). I would imagine the repetitive design would probably have been Adolf Hitler's wet dream.

How is it WDAS's fault if the company chooses to market the blonde characters exclusively when they have created many more female characters who aren't blonde.

At most, 30% of the official Disney Princesses are blonde and its disputable in the case of Cinderella and Rapunzel.

qindarka wrote:Seriously,? Did you have to bring Hitler in for no reason?

I know this isn't exactly Godwin's Law and you aren't directly comparing anyone to Hitler. Yet you are clearly invoking his name to make the other side look ridiculous.

I "invoked" his name to make a joke, and nothing else? This isn't Bloody Mary.

As for the rest, if you're only going to focus on one side of the point and ignore everything else, then I'm not bothering.

From what i've been reading, it seems that Kristoff will continue what Merida & Ralph went through this year: characters that are to unattractive to be a lead or have a love interest.

Patrick wrote:Also keep in mind that this was one of the first pieces of concept art we saw from Brave. It stayed pretty true to life.. I think everyone should get comfortable with these designs.

http://www.luke-kelly.com/wp-content/up ... he-bow.jpg

This was the first image of Brave's characters. I first saw this image back in March 2010, over 2 years before the film was released. As you can see, the character's design's match what we saw in the final film.

DisneyEra wrote:From what i've been reading, it seems that Kristoff will continue what Merida & Ralph went through this year: characters that are too unattractive to be a lead or have a love interest.

I don't consider Merida unattractive. Some of the early concept art of her looked unappealing but she looked much better in the film itself and in various illustrations, storybooks etc. As for Ralph, he's supposed to looked more crude since he was designed to be an 8-bit bad guy. Also 'attractiveness' has nothing to do with the characters' having a love interest or not. That was clearly a conscious story-related choice. Lastly, we need to differentiate between being attractive/pretty and being appealing. Designs can look 'ugly' but still have appeal.

I know this movie deals with a sister relationship, but I hope Anna and Kristoff are a romantic couple.

^I sincerely hope not.

I'm disappointed with the concept art too. Kristoff is okay, but could be much better. Anna, on the other hand, looks completely generic. I'm gonna channel Polizzi here and say she looks an awful lot like the girl from WizArt's movie. She's just really really boring looking. I do like the braids though. They're sensible for a quest and period appropriate, I think.

Linden wrote:^I sincerely hope not.

I'm disappointed with the concept art too. Kristoff is okay, but could be much better. Anna, on the other hand, looks completely generic. I'm gonna channel Polizzi here and say she looks an awful lot like the girl from WizArt's movie. She's just really really boring looking. I do like the braids though. They're sensible for a quest and period appropriate, I think.

I believe that in Disney fans's opinion, Gerda from Wizart's "The Snow Queen" would be boring to them. For Anna from Disney's, "Frozen," she would be another Rapunzel from Disney's "Tangled" but in a new quality. In my opinion, both Gerda and Anna are outstanding characters in every way. Of course, their eyes are almost the same. Different hair styles, but almost have the same eye design, even color. But for the record, I love them both.

Anna from Disney's "Frozen" and Gerda from Wizart's "The Snow Queen" kind of look similar to each other, except for their hair. Let's see. They have the same eyes, even the color, same hair but different structure, Gerda is the only character with freckles, and they almost have the same personality. What do you think?



Kristoff from Disney's "Frozen" and Kai from Wizart's "The Snow Queen" have nothing in common. Kristoff is a mountain climber, and Kai is an artist with his paintings. Neither they have the same hair design or color, eyes, faces, and personality.