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Saw the movie. Despite the issues with some casting, and the acting isn't great, the film still has the amazing direction (no surprise coming from Sam Raimi, the Evil Dead and Spiderman director), a unique plot, and outstanding visuals!

SwordInTheStone777 wrote:Has anyone but me noticed that they majorly screwed up with where The Wizard came from, as in the book and movie it explictily states that The Wizard came from Omaha, Nebraska.

I was thinking this to begin with but I justified it by Oscar being with a traveling circus that just so happened to be in Kansas at the time.

I too think that it would be awesome for Disney to do at least one more prequel to '39. My ideal ending to the new movie would be Dorothy's house falling on Evanora (witch of the east).

I also wanted to point out another theory that I have about what may come to pass. I'm not sure if someone's already mentioned it or not but could Finley possibly betray Oz or be tricked by the WWW and become the WWW's right-hand monkey. In '39, the WWW had Nikko.....could Finley be Nikko?

tlc38tlc38 wrote:

SwordInTheStone777 wrote:Has anyone but me noticed that they majorly screwed up with where The Wizard came from, as in the book and movie it explictily states that The Wizard came from Omaha, Nebraska.

I was thinking this to begin with but I justified it by Oscar being with a traveling circus that just so happened to be in Kansas at the time.

I too think that it would be awesome for Disney to do at least one more prequel to '39. My ideal ending to the new movie would be Dorothy's house falling on Evanora (witch of the east).

I also wanted to point out another theory that I have about what may come to pass. I'm not sure if someone's already mentioned it or not but could Finley possibly betray Oz or be tricked by the WWW and become the WWW's right-hand monkey. In '39, the WWW had Nikko.....could Finley be Nikko?

Oscar's balloon doesn't say "Omaha" or at least "State Fair" on it, is Disney wanting us to think Dorothy Gale was at the circus in the begining of this film?

MGM/WB probably wouldn't allow Disney to use the house falling on the witch, but then again maybe they would, if the money was right.

Nikko, is blue in 1939 classic, and in the book, the winged monkeys don't have names, nor are they blue.

SwordInTheStone777 wrote:

tlc38tlc38 wrote: I was thinking this to begin with but I justified it by Oscar being with a traveling circus that just so happened to be in Kansas at the time.

I too think that it would be awesome for Disney to do at least one more prequel to '39. My ideal ending to the new movie would be Dorothy's house falling on Evanora (witch of the east).

I also wanted to point out another theory that I have about what may come to pass. I'm not sure if someone's already mentioned it or not but could Finley possibly betray Oz or be tricked by the WWW and become the WWW's right-hand monkey. In '39, the WWW had Nikko.....could Finley be Nikko?

Oscar's balloon doesn't say "Omaha" or at least "State Fair" on it, is Disney wanting us to think Dorothy Gale was at the circus in the begining of this film?

MGM/WB probably wouldn't allow Disney to use the house falling on the witch, but then again maybe they would, if the money was right.

Nikko, is blue in 1939 classic, and in the book, the winged monkeys don't have names, nor are they blue.

Disney paid to use the ruby slippers in "Return to Oz" so they may do it again when the time is right...the same goes for the house falling scene.


What I'm getting at with Finley is that he is a winged monkey so he has to be related somehow to the other "evil" winged monkeys. That's why I'm wondering if he doesn't end up being on the WWW's side.


And, no, they don't want you to believe that Dorothy was at the fair because this movie takes place in 1905...that's 34 years before the 1939 film takes place...approx 18 years before Dorothy was even born, assuming she was 16 in the '39 film. However, we do meet "Annie" in the beginning of the film...we can assume that this is Dorothy's mother-to-be.

tlc38tlc38 wrote:
And, no, they don't want you to believe that Dorothy was at the fair because this movie takes place in 1905...that's 34 years before the 1939 film takes place...approx 18 years before Dorothy was even born, assuming she was 16 in the '39 film. However, we do meet "Annie" in the beginning of the film...we can assume that this is Dorothy's mother-to-be.

isn't the 'death by house' described in the book? If so, Disney is technically allowed to use this happening....After all, it was used in the musical Wicked...I think the copyright only counts for images or objects that are typically associated with the 1939 movie, like the ruby slippers, or for example Dorothy's white/blue dress. I hope Disney will be wanting to pay for the ruby slippers would love to see them back...As or Finley, he does resemble the winged monkey of the 1939 movie

I'm going to see it again on Saturday. I hope the 3rd time is really the charm! I love watching a movie over and over to catch things I didn't catch the first or second time around and to come up with new theories about Oz. I am so hoping they do another movie in the next 2 or 3 years....if that long. I think this film could open a new door for Oz fans new and old and be the beginning of renewing people's interest in the wonderful land of Oz!

Toky wrote:

tlc38tlc38 wrote:
And, no, they don't want you to believe that Dorothy was at the fair because this movie takes place in 1905...that's 34 years before the 1939 film takes place...approx 18 years before Dorothy was even born, assuming she was 16 in the '39 film. However, we do meet "Annie" in the beginning of the film...we can assume that this is Dorothy's mother-to-be.

isn't the 'death by house' described in the book? If so, Disney is technically allowed to use this happening....After all, it was used in the musical Wicked...I think the copyright only counts for images or objects that are typically associated with the 1939 movie, like the ruby slippers, or for example Dorothy's white/blue dress. I hope Disney will be wanting to pay for the ruby slippers would love to see them back...As or Finley, he does resemble the winged monkey of the 1939 movie

Dorothy's house from the film is prety iconic I would say, I haven't seen Wicked so I don't know if Tornado scene is in the show. Dorothy's dress was gingham before the 1939 classic.

Why does Disney have to pay for the Ruby Slippers, as in Return To Oz, like looked nothing liked the iconic ones we all know and love. I guess they would only have to pay for the name.

Finley, looks more like W.W. Denslow's winged monkey from the original novel, than of the MGM classic.

Except the house falling on the Witch is in Baum's original book, so Disney is free to use that. It's mainly aspects introduced in the '39 film that they can't use or have to work their way around (like using a different shade of green for the Wicked Witch of the West).

Isn't this great?! 113 after the original publication of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" and 74 years after the 1939 film, people are still majorly excited about something new from the Land of Oz. That just goes to show how great (or should I say "good") and powerful Baum's vision of Oz really is!

A little late to saying this, but....

I saw the movie on Sunday the 10th and I will say that it was definitely amazing. My only problem with the film, though?

Oz himself. Mind you, I liked James Franco's portrayal of him, just not the character. At least, I didn't really like him for the first half of the movie because... Well, he was kind of a big, fat jerk. I am glad that as the movie progressed, he became less and less selfish and more concerned about the issues at hand and less about the treasure he was promised.

Story was good and solid, as were the cast and visuals. 9.5/10

Oh, and by the way, when my girlfriend saw the movie, she actually did say "Shut up, Meg." when Theodora first spoke. Anyone who gets the reference will have a cookie.

Great visuals... Not so great storywork. I rank it with Alice, which in my opinion dealt with similar issues and was lacking a great story arc.

Should I go see this ? Or is it worth waiting for the DVD to come out ? I'm a huge fan of Wizard of OZ and the play musical Wicked. Though this movie does look and feel too " Alice-y ".

DisneyJedi wrote: Oh, and by the way, when my girlfriend saw the movie, she actually did say "Shut up, Meg." when Theodora first spoke. Anyone who gets the reference will have a cookie.

Family Guy !

Protip: The Flying Monkeys aren't so much evil as much as they are cursed and enslaved by an enchanted cap that a sorceress created to punish them for pranking her husband. Eventually this hat found its way to the Wicked Witch of the West. They'll probably streamline this story to make it just a creation of one of the witches and that's what'll happen to Finley.

FigmentJedi wrote:Protip: The Flying Monkeys aren't so much evil as much as they are cursed and enslaved by an enchanted cap that a sorceress created to punish them for pranking her husband. Eventually this hat found its way to the Wicked Witch of the West. They'll probably streamline this story to make it just a creation of one of the witches and that's what'll happen to Finley.

See, this is what I'm saying. If the series continues I think Finley will end up on the side of the WWW, by being tricked by her. Also, in the new film and the 1939 one, Nikko and Finley are the only 2 monkeys to wear a hat.

FigmentJedi wrote:Protip: The Flying Monkeys aren't so much evil as much as they are cursed and enslaved by an enchanted cap that a sorceress created to punish them for pranking her husband. Eventually this hat found its way to the Wicked Witch of the West. They'll probably streamline this story to make it just a creation of one of the witches and that's what'll happen to Finley.

The Golden Cap was made as a wedding present by a princess named Gayelette for her intended, Quelala, and was said to have cost half her kingdom. When the Winged Monkeys played a trick on Quelala, Gayelette, who was also a sorceress, punished them by making them slaves to the Golden Cap. Quelala, being the first owner of the Golden Cap, commanded the Winged Monkeys to stay away from Gayelette.

Finley's a flying monkey where as The Wicked Witch of the East's are Flying Baboons or Mandrills

One thing I never understood...

Why was that strongman at the beginning of the movie so hellbent on killing Oz?

DisneyJedi wrote:One thing I never understood...

Why was that strongman at the beginning of the movie so hellbent on killing Oz?

Because he found the music box Oscar gave every girl. She was pleading with him "it was just a gift, it was his grandmother's" - so obviously the strongman interpreted this as cheating, as he was in a relationship with that girl. In the background of the same scene, you see Oscar's new assistant watching, her own music box in hand.

MovieWeb posted the title sequence earlier on today and from watching I say that's very Burtonesque if I've ever seen, the brief article says that is was a homage to the 1939 classic, but you watch for yourself and make your own decision

http://www.movieweb.com/news/watch-the- ... e-sequence

SwordInTheStone777 wrote:MovieWeb posted the title sequence earlier on today and from watching I say that's very Burtonesque if I've ever seen, the brief article says that is was a homage to the 1939 classic, but you watch for yourself and make your own decision

http://www.movieweb.com/news/watch-the- ... e-sequence

This alone is worth the price of a 3D Admission. If I go see it again, I'll go see it in 3D during the week for $7. It was $19 for my dad and I to go see it on opening weekend on a Saturday Afternoon

Edit. It's now on YouTube

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsQE3FRoLE[/youtube]

disneyboy20022 wrote:

SwordInTheStone777 wrote:MovieWeb posted the title sequence earlier on today and from watching I say that's very Burtonesque if I've ever seen, the brief article says that is was a homage to the 1939 classic, but you watch for yourself and make your own decision

http://www.movieweb.com/news/watch-the- ... e-sequence

This alone is worth the price of a 3D Admission. If I go see it again, I'll go see it in 3D during the week for $7. It was $19 for my dad and I to go see it on opening weekend on a Saturday Afternoon

Edit. It's now on YouTube

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsQE3FRoLE[/youtube]

Just going by the credits makes me not want to see this now, I don't call that a homage to the 1939 classic like MovieWeb reported yesterday. If they were going to do a homage right, they would had it in Speia and not Black and White and would of had the sky or at least clouds moving by like the MGM titles did.